And I know you didn't actually read.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
I know your an ally of terrorisim, and I know what would happen to your if you fell into (your) allies hands.
Impossible the governments over there control everything. Thats how the Islamic laws, their laws for almost every nation state over there. The people have no power, only the governments do. Their culture does not allow for the "proper" distrubition of wealth.Turquoise wrote:
Pretty much... but we can lessen this through promoting better wealth distribution in the Middle East. We currently support governments that are aristocratic and keep the people poor and mostly disenfranchised (like in Saudi Arabia).Ridir wrote:
The Islamic Religion does not mesh at all with freedom. Plain and simple, until there is a compromise of some sorts between the two, which I doubt will ever happen there will be a struggle between the two. There can't and won't be a great wall big enough to keep the two cultures seperate and even if there was the capitalist nature would always want to go over to try and make a fast buck from the Muslims that don't agree with all of the ideals of the religion. The Muslim radicals would try and cross over the barrier to either spread the word of Islam or destroy the non-believers as per the Koran.
These two prinicipals are the CURRENT driving factors in the war between cultures. As long as the West survives there will be attacks on it by the Muslim extremist and as long as Western Culture influences and undermines the Islamic beliefs and religion.
I largely blame terrorists for terrorism but then again I'm not dumb.CameronPoe wrote:
- Neo-Conservatives: I largely blame YOU for the surge in terrorism on this planet. Pull your heads out of your fucking arses.
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I don't think I'm being too broad. I know what a conservative is. I know what a neo-conservative is. They are two different things. The Neo-Conservative movement is still a rather small think-tank - PNAC and all that. Essentially they're the people who hijacked the US Republican party - Bush, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld & friends. But it is obviously difficult not to generalise on such a wide ranging topic - as stated in the OP. A lot of people are bound to take offence at this attack of mine as an attack on them when in reality it is they who are misinterpreting the word 'neo-conservative'.Kmarion wrote:
I agree with some of that. I could however make a similar post demonstrating the left wings desire to appease and empower those who quite simply want to rid the world of the west. Understand also, just as some of the media has demonized Muslims you have just demonized Conservatives. You are using a very broad brush to paint your picture.
I know where your motives to make this post have originated from. I have seen you labeled as a "terrorist ally" here. However, I have conservative views but I am capable of understanding the difference between being critical of foreign policy and wishing death upon innocent lives. There are diverse opinions on how to best provide security, but that is all they are. It is easy to call someone an enemy because their ideas differ from yours. Frankly I am surprised that you decided to participate in this as well.
Terrorism is an abstract idea. By that token it is possible to shape nearly everything to fit the mold of "terrorism enabler".
You're not making any kind of discernible point. Your analogy is poor. Please explain. Have you read the OP in its entirety? It's a statement of how terrorism could be better handled and how less Americans would be dying if policy was different. It's a statement of how US foreign policy has been creating terrorists since 9/11.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
I largely blame terrorists for terrorism but then again I'm not dumb.CameronPoe wrote:
- Neo-Conservatives: I largely blame YOU for the surge in terrorism on this planet. Pull your heads out of your fucking arses.
It's like blaming McDonalds for making you fat. Nobody forces you to eat there. Nobody forces you to kill innocent people.
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You have me wrong: you cannot compromise with Islamic fundamentalist terrorists, that is a given. You can choose to treat the problem differently and more effectively however - by creating a homeland fortress. The people who attacked the twin towers had been happily living in Florida after all, not Iraq.Ridir wrote:
I take no political affilation althought I am conservative. I don't take it as a personal attack but I completely disagree with you in almost everything it is how we were raised I guess. It is a fool's world if you are niave enough to believe some of the things you are writing. The two different cultures don't even come close to being able to co-exist.
I'm sorry, I am slightly drunk but I still cannot see your point. Your arguement is good for an arguement but I just cannot see it besides hoping beyond hope that somehow the two can come to a happy compromise.
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Israel is 3000 years old, Islam is 1500... so the only thing muslims can do, its to go and brainwash theyr kids for jihad!CameronPoe wrote:
It is safe to say that probably more than 90% of all Arabs and Muslims see Israel as state terrorists.
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LOL. I think you mean that Israel lasted for a few centuries about 3000 years ago and then died, with the diaspora dispersing across the globe. I didn't say Neo-Conservatives support terrorism - I said they were ALLIES of terrorists: they have conducted their affairs in a manner which benefits terrorists.Lisik wrote:
Israel is 3000 years old, Islam is 1500... so the only thing muslims can do, its to go and brainwash theyr kids for jihad!CameronPoe wrote:
It is safe to say that probably more than 90% of all Arabs and Muslims see Israel as state terrorists.
add: And the only one who support terrorism its islamic terrorists.
End of thread!
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The State of Israel legally came into existence by a formal declaration in 1948Lisik wrote:
Israel is 3000 years old, Islam is 1500... so the only thing muslims can do, its to go and brainwash theyr kids for jihad!CameronPoe wrote:
It is safe to say that probably more than 90% of all Arabs and Muslims see Israel as state terrorists.
add: And the only one who support terrorism its islamic terrorists.
End of thread!
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Exactly the same for the past 3000 years? LOL. And last time I checked the exile could only be ended by divine means i.e. God. Not by maiming and killing British and Palestinians to get what you want.Lisik wrote:
If 3000 years ago there was no UN to sign declaration, it does not means there was no Israel!
Israel is exactly the same Israel like it was 3000 years ago.
Israel speaks 3000 years old language.
Israel sing 3000 years old songs.
Israel read 3000 years old literature.
Culture of Israel is 3000 years old - because culture of Israel, it is Torah!
So deal with it!!!
And this why 3 millions Israelis OWNZ 1.5 billions Muslims in 6 days war!
You would have got your asses handed to you if it hadn't been for American Intel, Planes and money.Lisik wrote:
And this why 3 millions Israelis OWNZ 1.5 billions Muslims in 6 days war!
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LOLZ ISRAELZ > YOULisik wrote:
If 3000 years ago there was no UN to sign declaration, it does not means there was no Israel!
Israel is exactly the same Israel like it was 3000 years ago.
Israel speaks 3000 years old language.
Israel sing 3000 years old songs.
Israel read 3000 years old literature.
Culture of Israel is 3000 years old - because culture of Israel, it is Torah!
So deal with it!!!
And this why 3 millions Israelis OWNZ 1.5 billions Muslims in 6 days war!
Exactly!Sanjaya wrote:
Exactly the same for the past 3000 years?
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Actually it does, there was no Israel 3000 years ago, yes Jews lived in that area at the time but there was no country named Israel. On a sidenote there lives and have lived Jews many places in the world and those places is neither named Israel !Lisik wrote:
If 3000 years ago there was no UN to sign declaration, it does not means there was no Israel!
No it isn`t, Israel changes all the time and is probably the country with the most borderchanges post WW2.Lisik wrote:
Israel is exactly the same Israel like it was 3000 years ago.
And what does that prove ?Lisik wrote:
Israel speaks 3000 years old language.
Same as above !Lisik wrote:
Israel sing 3000 years old songs.
Might be time to read up on some of the newer litterature, there is plenty of good books written the last years !Lisik wrote:
Israel read 3000 years old literature.
Miewp ! Culture of Israel is actually about 4000 years old !Lisik wrote:
Culture of Israel is 3000 years old - because culture of Israel, it is Torah!
Deal with what ?Lisik wrote:
So deal with it!!!
So 1,5 billion Muslims soldiers attacked Israel, when did that happend ?Lisik wrote:
And this why 3 millions Israelis OWNZ 1.5 billions Muslims in 6 days war!
not at all, people who are selfish & self serving, who deny any personal or moral duty towards the betterment of the society as a whole in which they live , & who can't see the Irony of a CCCP Tee Shirt are like "KRPTONITE"[sic] to me..lowing wrote:
Yes I know, personal responsibility is like fucking KRPTONITE to you isn't it??IG-Calibre wrote:
Lowing bleating on again about personal responsibility, yet in his "world" everything is the fault of the liberal left - here's a reminder of personal responsibility lowing..
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but to answer your post, no I do not blame the worlds problems on liberals, I blame an INDIVIDUALS problems on themselves. It just so happens, so it seems, that the only people that are sooooooooo fucking needy from the rest of us or support using private money to fund their pet social programs are liberals.
anyway, back to the thread.
Hey, don't knock old literature. Much of it was lost and what is left is still a valuable part of our history.Varegg wrote:
Might be time to read up on some of the newer litterature, there is plenty of good books written the last years!
If you were an Iraqi who wanted to kill Americans, would you target the ones 10,000 miles away on the other side of the world or the ones 5 minutes down the road? The only reason there hasn't been an attack on the US is because there are so many, far more convenient Americans in the middle east to be attacked first.usmarine2005 wrote:
That is called war. Name terrorist attacks against US civilian targets since 9/11.Turquoise wrote:
Terror against soldiers doesn't count?...usmarine2005 wrote:
Where is the "surge" pf terrorism against the US since 9/11 not including Iraq?
I would if you were simple. You're not. You didn't lower yourself to the empty-headed "I wanna see a jihadi saw your head off with a rusty knife" level. Don't group yourself with such people.usmarine2005 wrote:
You are going to have to break that down barney style for us simple folk Hunter.
Trust me creating a homeland fortress would be nice, it would solve a lot of problems. It would also create a ton due to immigration and the United States' current stance on it.CameronPoe wrote:
You have me wrong: you cannot compromise with Islamic fundamentalist terrorists, that is a given. You can choose to treat the problem differently and more effectively however - by creating a homeland fortress. The people who attacked the twin towers had been happily living in Florida after all, not Iraq.Ridir wrote:
I take no political affilation althought I am conservative. I don't take it as a personal attack but I completely disagree with you in almost everything it is how we were raised I guess. It is a fool's world if you are niave enough to believe some of the things you are writing. The two different cultures don't even come close to being able to co-exist.
I'm sorry, I am slightly drunk but I still cannot see your point. Your arguement is good for an arguement but I just cannot see it besides hoping beyond hope that somehow the two can come to a happy compromise.
I have no problem with ANYONE having a grudge against the US. My question is, why blow up your own people, especially women and children over it??HunterOfSkulls wrote:
Great post as usual Cam. The problem of course is, some people will never admit that anyone might have a legitimate grudge against the US or that the US has ever in any way dealt badly with anyone during the course of its global chess game against the USSR. They murdered and tortured and destabilized governments because they were evil through and through; we murdered and tortured and destabilized governments for the greater good and freedom! And your post has made it to two pages with only two "Hurrrr, yer terrist buddies would cut yer head off" nonsensical responses from the shallow end of the gene pool, bravo.
