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rawls2 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

It's a simple question. You don't support either so why do you have an opinion?

Because perhaps he, like me, supports those who are trapped in the middle. Not the aggressors on either side.

And how would you be doing that? Are you in Iraq standing between the insurgence and the Army stopping each other from attacking Iraqis? No, I didn't think so. What you do is empower the murdering insurgence by excusing their actions. It's the US's fault you are only reacting to someone else's actions.

I never said I was actively supporting them.

The US caused this mess, the insurgents are prolonging it, the ordinary Iraqis are suffering because of the actions of the other two and I sympathise with them.

Why not stay out of the region altogether and let them kill each other off?

If they want to sell off their oil, they can be responsible for security of the transport vessels to a demarcation line.

m3thod wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Because i am allowed to?  And since when did state an opinion? 

Those bad boys above are cold hard facts....of which you find hard to swallow.

I know because it easy you to swallow anything. You have never stated fact. You are only an opinionater nothing more.

Rich coming from an individual who is blinded by patriotism and lavishes unequivocal support for his corrupt and immoral government.

Lets see now....

US invades Iraq: FACT
US kills thousands of Iraqis: FACT
US obliterates Iraqi forces: FACT
US fails to competently occupy Iraq: FACT
US fails to secure Iraqs borders: FACT
US fails to secure Iraq: FACT
US root cause of poor security: FACT
rawls2 doesn't know what facts are: FACT

Here have some bedtime reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

More opinions.
Prove what you wrote as fact besides invading Iraq.
What drives me in this argument is what I envision Iraq to be. And it does not come from blind patriotism. It stems from an idea that all citizens of this earth should be allowed live at peace and no fear from dictators or terrorists, the only two things Iraqi's know of.

rawls2 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

I know because it easy you to swallow anything. You have never stated fact. You are only an opinionater nothing more.

Rich coming from an individual who is blinded by patriotism and lavishes unequivocal support for his corrupt and immoral government.

Lets see now....

US invades Iraq: FACT
US kills thousands of Iraqis: FACT
US obliterates Iraqi forces: FACT
US fails to competently occupy Iraq: FACT
US fails to secure Iraqs borders: FACT
US fails to secure Iraq: FACT
US root cause of poor security: FACT
rawls2 doesn't know what facts are: FACT

Here have some bedtime reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

More opinions.
Prove what you wrote as fact besides invading Iraq.
What drives me in this argument is what I envision Iraq to be. And it does not come from blind patriotism. It stems from an idea that all citizens of this earth should be allowed live at peace and no fear from dictators or terrorists, the only two things Iraqi's know of.

You do the work, disprove my 'facts'....i have presented them for you to discredit.  Good luck.  I will not accept Fox, WND or some other wanky pokey news source running out a gerbils cage.

"What drives me in this argument is what I envision Iraq to be" - Spoken like a true dictator however, that isn't for you or your gimpy leader to make.....that was a job for the Iraqi people.

Iraq didn't have terrorist pre-2003...so they only knew what it was like to live under a monarch and dictator.  It was the US that generously provided an adventure playground for the terrorists.

keep digging.

Last edited by m3thod (2007-04-12 12:34:40)

"heavily fortified" my ass.

m3thod wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Rich coming from an individual who is blinded by patriotism and lavishes unequivocal support for his corrupt and immoral government.

Lets see now....

US invades Iraq: FACT
US kills thousands of Iraqis: FACT
US obliterates Iraqi forces: FACT
US fails to competently occupy Iraq: FACT
US fails to secure Iraqs borders: FACT
US fails to secure Iraq: FACT
US root cause of poor security: FACT
rawls2 doesn't know what facts are: FACT

Here have some bedtime reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact

More opinions.
Prove what you wrote as fact besides invading Iraq.
What drives me in this argument is what I envision Iraq to be. And it does not come from blind patriotism. It stems from an idea that all citizens of this earth should be allowed live at peace and no fear from dictators or terrorists, the only two things Iraqi's know of.

You do the work, disprove my 'facts'....i have presented them for you to discredit.  Good luck.  I will not accept Fox, WND or some other wanky pokey news source running out a gerbils cage.

"What drives me in this argument is what I envision Iraq to be" - Spoken like a true dictator however, that isn't for you or your gimpy leader to make.....that was a job for the Iraqi people.

Iraq didn't have terrorist pre-2003...so they only knew what it was like to live under a monarch and dictator.  It was the US that generously provided an adventure playground for the terrorists.

keep digging.

Yeah like I'm really going to waste my time to prove you wrong. Nah! I'll go enjoy my wonderful freedom outside. You know I don't have to worry about getting blown up by a terrorist.

RicardoBlanco wrote:

Skorpy-chan wrote:

Holy crap, can we hire the insurgents to do the same thing in britain? There's a LOT of weeding to be done here, and an explosion definetly wouldn't go amiss.

Guy Fawkes already tried.

Nah, that was a publicity stunt by the king, and the powder was damp.

CameronPoe wrote:

No links as yet but I'd just like to say:

What the fuck are the 21,000 extra troops in Baghdad doing if they can't even protect the fucking parliament building!!!!???!??!??!???!??!

Not to mention the main bridge being blown up this morning....?

Hey bud take that number of troops, and cut it to 1/3rd of that that 1/3rd is spread out all over baghdad, in what are called "battle spaces" each unit owns a piece of the pie.  My unit owns all of baghdad.  Now do some research and figure out how many troops are in a line infantry company and compare that to the number of iraqi nationals in say Shua'la or even Mansour.  Before making idiotic comments you should know that 1/3 of the troops in baghdad are combat arms, the rest are combat support (mechanics,medics,surgeons,JAG,Finance,Cooks,Pilots,Air force lackeys,and officer command staff) 
1/3 of that number rolls outside the wire and has a very busy day.  Thats not a large number when compared to the local population.

And why should we protect the parlament building? Isn't that what the sovern nation of Iraq do?  Oh wait they are too corrupt to give a flying fuck what they blow up or kill.  Not my fault, the prime minister is sunni and sides with Sadr.

CannonFodder11b wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

No links as yet but I'd just like to say:

What the fuck are the 21,000 extra troops in Baghdad doing if they can't even protect the fucking parliament building!!!!???!??!??!???!??!

Not to mention the main bridge being blown up this morning....?

Hey bud take that number of troops, and cut it to 1/3rd of that that 1/3rd is spread out all over baghdad, in what are called "battle spaces" each unit owns a piece of the pie.  My unit owns all of baghdad.  Now do some research and figure out how many troops are in a line infantry company and compare that to the number of iraqi nationals in say Shua'la or even Mansour.  Before making idiotic comments you should know that 1/3 of the troops in baghdad are combat arms, the rest are combat support (mechanics,medics,surgeons,JAG,Finance,Cooks,Pilots,Air force lackeys,and officer command staff) 
1/3 of that number rolls outside the wire and has a very busy day.  Thats not a large number when compared to the local population.

And why should we protect the parlament building? Isn't that what the sovern nation of Iraq do?  Oh wait they are too corrupt to give a flying fuck what they blow up or kill.  Not my fault, the prime minister is sunni and sides with Sadr.

owned.  Sit down college boy.

Last edited by usmarine2005 (2007-04-12 14:53:55)

Bertster7 wrote:

CannonFodder11b wrote:

Before you go blasting shit you dont know about learn the facts.

The IZ as we call the green zone (International Zone) Is guarded by not just US and Iraqi troops.  Also guarded by Brits, Aussies, and a few from africa I believe.

I don't think it is. I'm pretty sure there aren't any significant British forces in Baghdad, certainly not a sizeable number - perhaps a handfull. The British are deployed in the south, Basra, Um Qasr, places like that.

Yeah well I'm here and I see Aussies and Brits all the time in the IZ.
Might not be a sizable number, but there here. Taskforce: Knight (?) AKA The S.A.S.  AKA the elite group of  SPec ops troops that cannot tell a Stryker from a Iraqi Taxi cab and lite up a stryker convoy heading out to recover a catastrophic stryker kill.  But what do I know I just had British .50 cal rounds slapping my armor.

CannonFodder11b wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

And how would you be doing that? Are you in Iraq standing between the insurgence and the Army stopping each other from attacking Iraqis? No, I didn't think so. What you do is empower the murdering insurgence by excusing their actions. It's the US's fault you are only reacting to someone else's actions.

I never said I was actively supporting them.

The US caused this mess, the insurgents are prolonging it, the ordinary Iraqis are suffering because of the actions of the other two and I sympathise with them.

Yeah and your Country also had a hand in this as well jackass.  Or am I mistaken about the UK wanting a piece of saddams ass as well?

I'm ashamed to say we did. Despite the fact that the majority of the population were against it and several members of parliament resigned over it, Blair still made the country look like idiots by getting involved in such a ludicrous war.

That does little to shift the blame from where it firmly lies, with the US. The US initiated and led this war. The rest of the coalition were in supporting roles. Many members of the coalition even had no direct involvement and were merely involved to give the war some semblance of international legality.

It was a stupid war, born out of a stupid presidents delusional mind, which has ended in disaster. But the US are not content to leave it as ending in disaster, but are trying to stick it out until something positive comes out of it that they can claim as a victory, much like in Vietnam, where they should have given up much sooner - they should be doing the same in Iraq and let the Iraqis get on with it.

CannonFodder11b wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

No links as yet but I'd just like to say:

What the fuck are the 21,000 extra troops in Baghdad doing if they can't even protect the fucking parliament building!!!!???!??!??!???!??!

Not to mention the main bridge being blown up this morning....?

Hey bud take that number of troops, and cut it to 1/3rd of that that 1/3rd is spread out all over baghdad, in what are called "battle spaces" each unit owns a piece of the pie.  My unit owns all of baghdad.  Now do some research and figure out how many troops are in a line infantry company and compare that to the number of iraqi nationals in say Shua'la or even Mansour.  Before making idiotic comments you should know that 1/3 of the troops in baghdad are combat arms, the rest are combat support (mechanics,medics,surgeons,JAG,Finance,Cooks,Pilots,Air force lackeys,and officer command staff) 
1/3 of that number rolls outside the wire and has a very busy day.  Thats not a large number when compared to the local population.

And why should we protect the parlament building? Isn't that what the sovern nation of Iraq do?  Oh wait they are too corrupt to give a flying fuck what they blow up or kill.  Not my fault, the prime minister is sunni and sides with Sadr.

The Prime minister is Shia big man.

CannonFodder11b wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

CannonFodder11b wrote:

Before you go blasting shit you dont know about learn the facts.

The IZ as we call the green zone (International Zone) Is guarded by not just US and Iraqi troops.  Also guarded by Brits, Aussies, and a few from africa I believe.

I don't think it is. I'm pretty sure there aren't any significant British forces in Baghdad, certainly not a sizeable number - perhaps a handfull. The British are deployed in the south, Basra, Um Qasr, places like that.

Yeah well I'm here and I see Aussies and Brits all the time in the IZ.
Might not be a sizable number, but there here. Taskforce: Knight (?) AKA The S.A.S.  AKA the elite group of  SPec ops troops that cannot tell a Stryker from a Iraqi Taxi cab and lite up a stryker convoy heading out to recover a catastrophic stryker kill.  But what do I know I just had British .50 cal rounds slapping my armor.

Yeah i'm sure information like this isn't meant to be in the public domain.  And i don't think you and your bunch of cowboys have much room to talk about blue on blue events.