Fen321
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Stingray24 wrote:

Fen321 wrote:

. . . I discussed this issue in my Arms Control class  -- seeing as the teacher is quick to lambaste anything Iranian. Granted, other fellow class members responded to my support of a regime that they see as incoherent and irrational -- they same way the professor did. I always get a kick out of their one argument against Iran -- the lovely wipe Israel off the map argument. Its classic its usually followed by other short generalizations all in all to justify any aggressive action towards them.

So what happens when its a mis-translation.....nothing
*sigh* You aren't listening . . .

For now the FOURTH time, even if the statement in question was misinterpreted (and even with the "correct" interpretation the same intent is present) the leader of Iran has repeated this sentiment numerous times - Ahmedinijad's stance towards Israel is not up for debate. 

Nice to see you finally admit you support the Iranian regime.  That explains why your comparison of possible US military action against Iran with complete annihilation of Israel is so grossly inaccurate.
Since when do you know the Intent of the Iranian administration?

Where do I state that I support the Iranian regime.



Let me get this straight some how the intent of a message can be received via the MIS INTERPRETED MESSAGE - are we on the same page here because i think you just stated you get get the intent of a message via the wrong message....and even if the message were correct both the MIS INTERPRETED message and the "correct" message have the same meaning? Not sure if languages work like that sorry .

Last edited by Fen321 (2007-04-11 12:49:43)

Bertster7
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bigdroo wrote:

IN ADDITION, Iran, to this day, DIRECTLY FUNDS, without denial, Hezbollah, a terror group by nearly all counts, which frequently states their intent to destroy Isreal.
When have Hezbollah, in recent years, called for the destruction of Israel? I'm pretty sure they call for the abolition of the state, but that's significantly different. They have stated that if Lebanon and Israel reach a proper peace agreement, they would disagree with it in principle but wouldn't make any trouble about it - which seems fair enough. Hezbollah are a terror group whose goals I can identify with, at least on some level.
bigdroo
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Bertster7 wrote:

bigdroo wrote:

IN ADDITION, Iran, to this day, DIRECTLY FUNDS, without denial, Hezbollah, a terror group by nearly all counts, which frequently states their intent to destroy Isreal.
When have Hezbollah, in recent years, called for the destruction of Israel? I'm pretty sure they call for the abolition of the state, but that's significantly different. They have stated that if Lebanon and Israel reach a proper peace agreement, they would disagree with it in principle but wouldn't make any trouble about it - which seems fair enough. Hezbollah are a terror group whose goals I can identify with, at least on some level.
That's an easy Google search.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en& … mp;spell=1

Furthermore, if you want to drag Lebanon into this argument, you better bring Syria in as well...
m3thod
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Stingray24 wrote:

Fen321 wrote:

. . . I discussed this issue in my Arms Control class  -- seeing as the teacher is quick to lambaste anything Iranian. Granted, other fellow class members responded to my support of a regime that they see as incoherent and irrational -- they same way the professor did. I always get a kick out of their one argument against Iran -- the lovely wipe Israel off the map argument. Its classic its usually followed by other short generalizations all in all to justify any aggressive action towards them.

So what happens when its a mis-translation.....nothing
*sigh* You aren't listening . . .

For now the FOURTH time, even if the statement in question was misinterpreted (and even with the "correct" interpretation the same intent is present) the leader of Iran has repeated this sentiment numerous times - Ahmedinijad's stance towards Israel is not up for debate. 

Nice to see you finally admit you support the Iranian regime.  That explains why your comparison of possible US military action against Iran with complete annihilation of Israel is so grossly inaccurate.
I support the Iranians, i'm a brit we like the underdogs.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Bertster7
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bigdroo wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

bigdroo wrote:

IN ADDITION, Iran, to this day, DIRECTLY FUNDS, without denial, Hezbollah, a terror group by nearly all counts, which frequently states their intent to destroy Isreal.
When have Hezbollah, in recent years, called for the destruction of Israel? I'm pretty sure they call for the abolition of the state, but that's significantly different. They have stated that if Lebanon and Israel reach a proper peace agreement, they would disagree with it in principle but wouldn't make any trouble about it - which seems fair enough. Hezbollah are a terror group whose goals I can identify with, at least on some level.
That's an easy Google search.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en& … mp;spell=1

Furthermore, if you want to drag Lebanon into this argument, you better bring Syria in as well...
I didn't bring Lebanon into this, you did when you mentioned Hezbollah.

Have you read any of the results of that Google search? They all seem to agree with me (the few at the top that I read). Many have sensationalist headlines like "Death and destruction are Hezbollah's goals", but the same article goes on to say
Our goal is to liberate the 1948 borders of Palestine." What he means, of course, is the destruction of Israel.
Talk about putting words in someones mouth.

The Wiki article echoes what I said earlier:

Wiki wrote:

Nasrallah said "I am against any reconciliation with Israel. I do not even recognize the presence of a state that is called 'Israel.' I consider its presence both unjust and unlawful. That is why if Lebanon concludes a peace agreement with Israel and brings that accord to the Parliament our deputies will reject it; Hezbollah refuses any conciliation with Israel in principle...When a peace agreement is concluded between the Lebanese government and Israel, we would surely disagree with the Lebanese government about that, but we would not make any turmoil out of it."[
Now Hamas, that's a whole other story.

Hamas charter wrote:

the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said:  The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).
Now that's fucked up.

Hezbollah just don't believe the establishment of the state of Israel was legal and don't think the Israeli government have any right to the land - that's not the same as calling for their destruction, well it is in a sense - but not in the sense it is being used in sensationalist media articles. They hate them for occupying their land and they want them gone. Now that they have driven the Israelis out of Lebanon they want to help the Palestinians do the same for their land (ideally they'd like them gone far away, but Hezbollah are not as radical as most of these groups, they even have a welfare programme, they know that's not going to happen, they'd be relatively content with them sticking to the 1948 borders).

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-04-11 13:36:30)

konfusion
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fadedsteve wrote:

konfusion wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

wow
I think you may have misinterpreted me: Give the land either completely or partially back to Palestine - wipe the borders of Israel - or Israel as a country - off the map, not the civilization.

-konfusion
Your fucking mental. . . . .

You are a total and complete sick puppy!

I dont think anyone misinterpreted anything. . . .

I hear trips to Tehran are pretty cheap these days. . .You should vacation there!! You'll fit in perfectly!!
Wow - nice step forwards to a flame-war.
Dude, shut the fuck up.
I have my beliefs, you have yours. Pronto. You do not have to insult someone for their beliefs. Are you one of those Zionist people who is for the extermination of all Palestinians? Because it sure as hell sounds that way.
Please, if you want to start an argument, my MSN is "[email protected]" - we don't have to continue it here.

-konfusion

edit:
forgot to add this: No, I don't want a trip there - you know why? Because the living conditions for the Palestinians are terrible. More than half of them live in Refugee camps. To get to anything, they have to go through military control - you can't drive for 10 fucking minutes without being stopped by military - the people who can make you do pretty much anything they want, because the rest of the world is just closing their eyes towards this. But at least the Palestinians have water - water they have to buy off the Israelis, who siphon it off Palestinian water sources anyway. So they tried to get over that too - they built tanks on their roofs to collect rain water - what happened? The Israeli an army came with US helicopters and blew the shit out of that too. Do you think I'm suicidal? Do you think I want to live under those conditions? I have to admit, I'd much rather be an Israeli choosing between the two - sure, they get the occasional terrorist, but they live their lives up to the point when they get blown up without fear.
But do you want to live your life in fear? Do you think it's right what Israel is doing? Do you think it's right for - for the sake of analogy (a minority in the USA that is constantly being discriminated) - a black person is allowed into your house - allowed to have half of your things and house. Then, not being satisfied, he beats the shit out of you, with help of his friends, and takes everything but the fucking closet. Then you go to a judge, and he says he can keep everything he got - do you think that's fair? Do you have a sense of justice?

See, I am not a maniac. I have perfectly sane reasons to believe what I do, now shut the fuck up, or whine on msn to me about it.

Last edited by konfusion (2007-04-11 14:46:56)

PluggedValve
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Stingray24 wrote:

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/index.html

TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iran's new president has repeated a remark from a former ayatollah that Israel should be "wiped out from the map," insisting that a new series of attacks will destroy the Jewish state, and lashing out at Muslim countries and leaders that acknowledge Israel.

The remarks by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad -- reported by Islamic Republic News Agency -- coincide with a month-long protest against Israel called "World without Zionism" and with the approach of Jerusalem Day.

World without Zionism is a nationwide event the planners intend to hold annually, and Ahmadinejad made the remarks during a meeting with protesting students at the Interior Ministry.

Ahmadinejad quoted a remark from Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of Iran's Islamic revolution, who said that Israel "must be wiped out from the map of the world."

The president then said: "And God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism," according to a quote published by IRNA.
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If he was quoting him, doesn't that imply agreement with the statement?  His own statement is at the end of the section above . . . his intentions are quite clear.
CNN.... hehe.... good source.  For Anna Nicole Smith BS.
Stingray24
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Perhaps you'll accept IRNA instead?
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IRNA is Irans worst enemy.....lol

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