BF2S Forums British Captives talk: Iran was not so good

fadedsteve wrote:

What I dont get is how the Brits didnt fire on the approaching speed boats. . .?

The HMS Cornwall WAS RIGHT THERE!!! Who lets their service personel get taken hostage WITHOUT A FIGHT?  The Marines were trying to "reason with the Iranians, and they kept becoming increasingly hostile in tone". . .No shit. . .!!!! The Iranians ARE IRRATIONAL! Basically sums up the whole reason negotiations have FAILED up to this point with this entire criminal regime. . . .

side note: That frigit (HMS Cornwall) has the most modern weapons available!!! It could have taken out those Iranian boats before they even reached the Royal Marines. . . . It was obvious that the Iranians were engaging in a hostile act. . .Why not fire a warning shot? Why just sit back and let your fellow servicemen/women get jacked like that?

Whoever was the Commander of that operation, needs to be relieved of duty effective immediately. . . .

Do you guys realize how embarassing this is for the British military. . . .I mean its bad folks!! Really bad!

The Iranians would probably have been able to overwhelm the boarding party no matter what Cornwall did. Ultimately, most of the British servicemen involved seem to have done about the best one could reasonably ask for with what they had available.

And what they had available was a frigate, primarily designed as an anti-submarine platform. Such ships have only one helicopter, which means that they cannot keep aircraft in the sky for sustained periods. Their large crews are mostly specialists; this means that the boarding parties they provide will be small and lightly armed. Ships such as Cornwall are not well suited for interdiction operations such as the one it was carrying out.

fadedsteve wrote:

I gurantee if that happend to a US Marine vessel, they would have fired back, no question. . .

Last edited by Hunter/Jumper (2007-04-07 12:07:21)

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

I gurantee if that happend to a US Marine vessel, they would have fired back, no question. . .

Its not their Navy that is embarrised, they follow orders
You dont remember when the democrats in congress made Marines in Lebanon patrol with empty rifles ?

MARINE CORPS UNIVERSITY
                  COMMAND AND STAFF COLLEGE
           MARINE CORPS COMBAT DEVELOPMENT COMMAND
                         QUANTICO, VA
     A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS OF THE CHALLENGE FACED IN
                         PEACEKEEPING
   OPERATIONS BY BRITISH GENERAL THOMAS GAGE IN AMERICA AND
                          COLONEL
                 TIMOTHY GERAHTY IN BEIRUT.
                             BY
                   MAJOR THOMAS M. CORBETT
              DR. J.B. MATHEWS (1ST MENTOR)
                  KERRY STRONG (2ND MENTOR)
            LTCOL(COL SELECT) CALVERT USAF (3RD MENTOR)

The Marines from the MAU went ashore with unloaded
individual and crew served weapons.  A deliberate decision
was made to demonstrate that the Americans were on a
peace-keeping mission.  Moreover, they had to show that they
trusted the Lebanese Armed Forces to maintain security20
European Command (Eucom) peacetime rules of engagement
dictated that the Marines were to carry unloaded weapons,
although it does not take long to insert a magazine into a
weapon and chamber a round.  The Marines would take up their
positions within the port area of Beirut.

Last edited by Masques (2007-04-07 12:17:21)

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Very good! Read the whole thing. Still it was our US congress who insisted they " patrol " this way. I wasn't talking about how the went ashore.. Patrols.
How would you prefer to patrol? Do you think the USMC liked to send their men out that way.

Last edited by Masques (2007-04-07 15:33:05)

fadedsteve wrote:

Bull shit the Corwall is fucking an armed ship for christs sake!! Then what the fuck is the point of it being out there then?? Site seeing?? cmon. . . .The Brits are trying to cover they're ass cause they look like pussies!! They had an oportunity to assert themselves, and not capitulate, and they choose to give in, pure and simple.

Bottom line. . . .Britain didnt want to confront the Iranians so they didnt. . .

I gurantee if that happend to a US Marine vessel, they would have fired back, no question. . .

Everybody would have died in a hail of gunfire. . . .not pussed out! The Brits said they had ample time to engage, and CHOSE NOT TO!

Kmarion wrote:

HunterOfSkulls wrote:

Turquoise, the real sad part is that the moderates and the modern-thinking Iranians were starting to develop momentum in Iran until the US government started saber-rattling again. Then all the "America is the Great Satan" idiots were able to say "Look, they hate us and want to destroy us!".

You make a good case for the hard liners to go into Iraqi waters and abduct Westerners to claim they were invading Iran also. Instant support/rallying.

Turquoise wrote:

It's hard to know how to respond to Iran. ... I guess if we do attack Iran, we'd better take the surgical strike method, because occupying Iran would make the occupation of Iraq look like Club Med.

fadedsteve wrote:

The fight against Iran is "The Good Fight", Iraq was just to get rid of a brutal dictator whether the world liked it or not.  Iran is a different circumstance entirely, and should be looked at as a serious threat to WORLD security. . . .Thats why we need to make sure we attack them with all the facts, ALL western nations together in an attempt to finally stop radicalism at its core! Iran is the core of radicalism in the middle east, and their criminal destabilizing ways NEED TO STOP!

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

2. They're making a big thing out of the fact that Faye Turney (sp?) was kept in isolation. Erm? Iran? Islamic country?

fadedsteve wrote:

Conflict with Iran is inevitable . . . . . PERIOD!!

An Iraqi woman quoted in the report said people wanted help to collect bodies lining streets every morning.

The report also highlights the following problems:


Iraq's healthcare facilities face critical shortages of staff and supplies. Many doctors, nurses and patients no longer dare to go to hospitals and clinics because they are targeted or threatened

much of Iraq's vital water, sewage and electricity infrastructure is in a critical condition

food shortages have been reported in some areas and malnutrition is said to have increased