Well.... just tell all your Muslim friends to stop blowing shit up and killing people and we'll probably change our views against your society.
I think you get two types of ANY fundementalist.
One: the figureheads. These are the people who pervert or use the religion to further their own bigoted beliefs. These are the bin Ladens and the Bashirs.
Two: the sheep. They haven't had it easy, and all their anger has to go somewhere. The figureheads tell them where to put their anger, and bingo! You have a terrorist movement.
One: the figureheads. These are the people who pervert or use the religion to further their own bigoted beliefs. These are the bin Ladens and the Bashirs.
Two: the sheep. They haven't had it easy, and all their anger has to go somewhere. The figureheads tell them where to put their anger, and bingo! You have a terrorist movement.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
900 years ago, it was the Christians' crusades that fucked the world over.
Now it's the Muslims doing it.
Maybe in another 900 years, Islam will be on the way out and another religion will have picked up the "fuck the world" baton. Anyone for Bhuddism crusades?
Now it's the Muslims doing it.
Maybe in another 900 years, Islam will be on the way out and another religion will have picked up the "fuck the world" baton. Anyone for Bhuddism crusades?
ROFLMAO!!!thareaper254 wrote:
they attack our people in Iraq while we try to help them.
You think you are trying to help?? LMAO!!
That just made my day!
+1!!
Somehow I don't think the ones attacking you are the ones you're helping.namsdrawkcaB wrote:
ROFLMAO!!!thareaper254 wrote:
they attack our people in Iraq while we try to help them.
You think you are trying to help?? LMAO!!
That just made my day!
+1!!
I'm talking about individuals here, not groups.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Count me in...anyone with hair is a dead man.aardfrith wrote:
900 years ago, it was the Christians' crusades that fucked the world over.
Now it's the Muslims doing it.
Maybe in another 900 years, Islam will be on the way out and another religion will have picked up the "fuck the world" baton. Anyone for Bhuddism crusades?
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
1) racism is not allowed on the forum so anything along these lines is immediately deleted by mods. anyone who crosses this line will be reprimanded.{B-T}<babacanosh> wrote:
It seems to me that bf2s forums are getting more populated with threads against Islam. Many of you are always basing us on what you see on T.V. and our Steryo ( excuse my spelling) types.
You don't see me making fun of jews or any other religion.
And i think it should stop.
2) don't confuse racism with criticism: we are here to debate and express different (and sometimes radical) points of view.
3) don't confuse racism with banter: our members poke fun at each other's countries and beliefs quite frequently.
4) if we take out the anti-islam threads/posts then we'd have to take out anti-american/anti-bush threads and anti-everything else threads.
Some people dislike Islam. At the moment Islam does not have a very good PR in the Trans-Atlantic community. And truth be told, Islam doesn't really think very highly of Americans, Europeans, Jews or Christians. Hate begets hate. If you want to do something about it then contribute constructively to the DST subform with things such as this post:
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 0#p1303910 by SaudiFury.
Most of us are very open minded and would actually welcome different points of views on Islam. Personally I am curious to know the pulse of the people beyond extremists in islamic countries.
There is not going to another 900 years.aardfrith wrote:
900 years ago, it was the Christians' crusades that fucked the world over.
Now it's the Muslims doing it.
Maybe in another 900 years, Islam will be on the way out and another religion will have picked up the "fuck the world" baton. Anyone for Bhuddism crusades?
What we have on this forum is bigotry, not racism. If I was as bigotted as many of the people on this forum I would constantly whine on about how 'the jews' treat the Palestinian people out of whose property a portion of those people created their state and cotinue to terrorise the Palestinians. But the fact of the matter is that jews are not responsible for this. Certain groups of people are - Zionists being one of them. Zionism is an ethos, the fact that most Zionists are jews should not mean that all jews get tarred with the same dirty brush as this scum. Many jews are good people and some even protest the presence of the Israelis in the occupied territories.superfly_cox wrote:
Some people dislike Islam. At the moment Islam does not have a very good PR in the Trans-Atlantic community. And truth be told, Islam doesn't really think very highly of Americans, Europeans, Jews or Christians. Hate begets hate. If you want to do something about it then contribute constructively to the DST subform with things such as this post:
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 0#p1303910 by SaudiFury.
Most of us are very open minded and would actually welcome different points of views on Islam. Personally I am curious to know the pulse of the people beyond extremists in islamic countries.
What you have on this forum, even demonstrated above by a moderator of the site no less (in bold), are gross generalisations about a massive swathe of individuals who happen to follow a particular religion. It's like Hitler when he convinced the world 'the jews' were creating a network of influential jewish people across the world to ensure they attained a priviliged status in society wherever they went. It's bigotry plain and simple. I know a few muslims. I've been to many muslim countires and met many muslims. I have always received the warmest welcomes there, warmer than any welcome modern western societies lay on. I attended an adventure marathon in Killarney, Co. Kerry, at the weekend and a team had come all the way over from Pakistan to participate. They fit in just fine. Sure, they didn't drink any alcohol at the function afterwards and their meals were prepared halal but they mixed in well, went out dancing and were extremely cordial and friendly.
The acts of a very few people have warped the minds of the many. Hitler managed to convince people that 6m jews should be put to death. The same is happening today with Muslims being lined up for the chop. I hope that some of the bigots on the forum pull their heads out of their asses and start using correct terminology when they speak of who carries out terrorists atrocities. When Timothy McVeigh committed his heinous act no-one described him as 'the Christian bomber'. Words and terminology ARE important.
This forum and a great many people in the west need to wake the fuck up. We don't need people like the cunt in my sig.
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Not to say anything disrespectfull, but Radical Islam is a talking point. I'm jewish, and have been slammed a few times in these forums, but luckily one such person decided to post some messed up pics and got banned.lowing wrote:
See, I agree, except I blame the Muslims that make beheading videos, commit terror strikes against innocent people, speak openly about world domination and the destruction of those that do not believe what they believe, riot over cartoons, and their utter intolerance to EVERYONE different from them, for the stereotypes.Braddock wrote:
I can see where you are coming from, there are a lot of threads in D&ST that discuss issues regarding the Middle East, the Islamic faith and in particular Islamic fundamentalism. We discuss these things because they are prominent in the news and I principally blame the news and mainstream media for perpetuating the incorrect stereotypes you speak of. It is this continual negative representation of the Islamic faith that reinforces people's misguided views of Muslims. As I've said in other threads unfortunately Muslims acting reasonable and doing nice things does not sell papers or get good TV ratings.{B-T}<babacanosh> wrote:
It seems to me that bf2s forums are getting more populated with threads against Islam. Many of you are always basing us on what you see on T.V. and our Steryo ( excuse my spelling) types.
You don't see me making fun of jews or any other religion.
And i think it should stop.
However ...I feel that this type of discussion forum is a good thing in that it allows the opportunity to debate with people on these issues and can in some cases lead people to re-assess their views and opinions. I can assure you not everyone here holds biased views against the Islamic faith and there are plenty here that would argue their corner.
Radical Islam seems to be what you are talking about being in the forums. Which is the true Islam? That which Malcom X preached (hatefull towards whites) or that which is in the middle east (for the most part fanatical, radical islam where litterally if i embarress you you have the right to kill me) Or the peacefull fun loving Islam, everyone speaks about but I have yet to see in the birthplace of Islam.
Not saying Islam is the only religion with radicals hell look at skinheads they claim to be christian yet they are a radical movement of hate and dissent. Just about every religeon has they're radicals. Just not many of them are top of the news. Not many of them choose to load a mini bus full of explosives and drive it into a busy marketplace to inflict as many deaths as possible to get rewarded with 72 virgins and rivers of honey.
I have not read that part in the Koran...and I have read the Koran, yet out here its gosple. So If I seem rascist, i'm not. I'm beginging to hate humanity as a whole.
Get over yourself cameron. Of course its a generalization...along with most of the things in this forum (including your last post). But if you want to get picky, can you find any information/proof to support the fact that Islam DOES think very highly of Americans, European, Jews or Christian. I only wrote that to emphasize the point that there is bilateral dislike at the moment...which there is.CameronPoe wrote:
What you have on this forum, even demonstrated above by a moderator of the site no less (in bold), are gross generalisations about a massive swathe of individuals who happen to follow a particular religion. It's like Hitler when he convinced the world 'the jews' were creating a network of influential jewish people across the world to ensure they attained a priviliged status in society wherever they went. It's bigotry plain and simple. I know a few muslims. I've been to many muslim countires and met many muslims. I have always received the warmest welcomes there, warmer than any welcome modern western societies lay on. I attended an adventure marathon in Killarney, Co. Kerry, at the weekend and a team had come all the way over from Pakistan to participate. They fit in just fine. Sure, they didn't drink any alcohol at the function afterwards and their meals were prepared halal but they mixed in well, went out dancing and were extremely cordial and friendly.superfly_cox wrote:
Islam doesn't really think very highly of Americans, Europeans, Jews or Christians.
And for your information, I happen to side with you on the Israel vs. Palestine issue. I too know muslims, have visited muslim countries...blah, blab, blah. But of course you wouldn't get that because in your self-righteous way of viewing the world, everybody is wrong and you are right...why bother trying to understand what others write when you can just as easily twist their words around to make your point. That's fine by me, you're free to post as you wish.
But to imply that I'm a bigot...i find that very disappointing.
Relax Superfly - I don't think you're a bigot. It's just that in the current climate people are cutting corners when describing the perpetrators of atrocities, which breeds delusions about entire bodies of people - leading them to be blamed unfairly and feeding the circle of hatred. We all cut corners - I personally take great care to direct my criticism at the exact people who I am criticising. You won't find me saying 'those fucking Americans' or 'bloody muzzies' in a serious debate on some issue because that would be a woefully broad and inaccurate description, potentially breeding misconceptions about the actual perpetrators of an act I'm criticising. Some people on this forum are content to generalise and help propagate this false view of Islam, which will eventually have disastrous consequences (Hitler-style).superfly_cox wrote:
Get over yourself cameron. Of course its a generalization...along with most of the things in this forum (including your last post). But if you want to get picky, can you find any information/proof to support the fact that Islam DOES think very highly of Americans, European, Jews or Christian. I only wrote that to emphasize the point that there is bilateral dislike at the moment...which there is.
And for your information, I happen to side with you on the Israel vs. Palestine issue. I too know muslims, have visited muslim countries...blah, blab, blah. But of course you wouldn't get that because in your self-righteous way of viewing the world, everybody is wrong and you are right...why bother trying to understand what others write when you can just as easily twist their words around to make your point. That's fine by me, you're free to post as you wish.
But to imply that I'm a bigot...i find that very disappointing.
You have to admit Soup that saying that 'Islam doesn't really think very highly of Europeans' is a rather broad and inaccurate generalisation. A recent survey of muslims in Ireland showed them integrating into the way of life quite happily and successfully and there is great solidarity between the Palestinian and Irish people. There are streets in Tehran named after Irish hunger strikers even! Hardly not really thinking 'very highly' of us, is it?
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Sorry Cam, there is good reason for the "bigotry" you say we all have. If this religion was hijacked by such a small percentage of radicals, why are the Muslim communities not policing their ranks? NOT unlike the moderate Christians stomping out the KKK or the skinheads at their own rallies, to such effect that these groups look more foolish than anything else. Moderate Christianity has stifled the radical elements of their religion in America. I expect and demand if the Muslims are to gain any favor from me, they step up, take charge and put their God damned dogs on a leash.CameronPoe wrote:
What we have on this forum is bigotry, not racism. If I was as bigotted as many of the people on this forum I would constantly whine on about how 'the jews' treat the Palestinian people out of whose property a portion of those people created their state and cotinue to terrorise the Palestinians. But the fact of the matter is that jews are not responsible for this. Certain groups of people are - Zionists being one of them. Zionism is an ethos, the fact that most Zionists are jews should not mean that all jews get tarred with the same dirty brush as this scum. Many jews are good people and some even protest the presence of the Israelis in the occupied territories.superfly_cox wrote:
Some people dislike Islam. At the moment Islam does not have a very good PR in the Trans-Atlantic community. And truth be told, Islam doesn't really think very highly of Americans, Europeans, Jews or Christians. Hate begets hate. If you want to do something about it then contribute constructively to the DST subform with things such as this post:
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 0#p1303910 by SaudiFury.
Most of us are very open minded and would actually welcome different points of views on Islam. Personally I am curious to know the pulse of the people beyond extremists in islamic countries.
What you have on this forum, even demonstrated above by a moderator of the site no less (in bold), are gross generalisations about a massive swathe of individuals who happen to follow a particular religion. It's like Hitler when he convinced the world 'the jews' were creating a network of influential jewish people across the world to ensure they attained a priviliged status in society wherever they went. It's bigotry plain and simple. I know a few muslims. I've been to many muslim countires and met many muslims. I have always received the warmest welcomes there, warmer than any welcome modern western societies lay on. I attended an adventure marathon in Killarney, Co. Kerry, at the weekend and a team had come all the way over from Pakistan to participate. They fit in just fine. Sure, they didn't drink any alcohol at the function afterwards and their meals were prepared halal but they mixed in well, went out dancing and were extremely cordial and friendly.
The acts of a very few people have warped the minds of the many. Hitler managed to convince people that 6m jews should be put to death. The same is happening today with Muslims being lined up for the chop. I hope that some of the bigots on the forum pull their heads out of their asses and start using correct terminology when they speak of who carries out terrorists atrocities. When Timothy McVeigh committed his heinous act no-one described him as 'the Christian bomber'. Words and terminology ARE important.
This forum and a great many people in the west need to wake the fuck up. We don't need people like the cunt in my sig.
Timothy McViegh was not labeled the "Christian Bomber" for 1 reason, he didn't commit his crimes in the name of God, or Christianity.
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Perhaps it's because the Christians actually have a decent lifestyle, and decent standard of life? And the Muslims who don't have any standard of life feel a bit envious of those who do?lowing wrote:
Sorry Cam, there is good reason for the "bigotry" you say we all have. If this religion was hijacked by such a small percentage of radicals, why are the Muslim communities not policing their ranks? NOT unlike the moderate Christians stomping out the KKK or the skinheads at their own rallies, to such effect that these groups look more foolish than anything else. Moderate Christianity has stifled the radical elements of their religion in America. I expect and demand if the Muslims are to gain any favor from me, they step up, take charge and put their God damned dogs on a leash.CameronPoe wrote:
What we have on this forum is bigotry, not racism. If I was as bigotted as many of the people on this forum I would constantly whine on about how 'the jews' treat the Palestinian people out of whose property a portion of those people created their state and cotinue to terrorise the Palestinians. But the fact of the matter is that jews are not responsible for this. Certain groups of people are - Zionists being one of them. Zionism is an ethos, the fact that most Zionists are jews should not mean that all jews get tarred with the same dirty brush as this scum. Many jews are good people and some even protest the presence of the Israelis in the occupied territories.superfly_cox wrote:
Some people dislike Islam. At the moment Islam does not have a very good PR in the Trans-Atlantic community. And truth be told, Islam doesn't really think very highly of Americans, Europeans, Jews or Christians. Hate begets hate. If you want to do something about it then contribute constructively to the DST subform with things such as this post:
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 0#p1303910 by SaudiFury.
Most of us are very open minded and would actually welcome different points of views on Islam. Personally I am curious to know the pulse of the people beyond extremists in islamic countries.
What you have on this forum, even demonstrated above by a moderator of the site no less (in bold), are gross generalisations about a massive swathe of individuals who happen to follow a particular religion. It's like Hitler when he convinced the world 'the jews' were creating a network of influential jewish people across the world to ensure they attained a priviliged status in society wherever they went. It's bigotry plain and simple. I know a few muslims. I've been to many muslim countires and met many muslims. I have always received the warmest welcomes there, warmer than any welcome modern western societies lay on. I attended an adventure marathon in Killarney, Co. Kerry, at the weekend and a team had come all the way over from Pakistan to participate. They fit in just fine. Sure, they didn't drink any alcohol at the function afterwards and their meals were prepared halal but they mixed in well, went out dancing and were extremely cordial and friendly.
The acts of a very few people have warped the minds of the many. Hitler managed to convince people that 6m jews should be put to death. The same is happening today with Muslims being lined up for the chop. I hope that some of the bigots on the forum pull their heads out of their asses and start using correct terminology when they speak of who carries out terrorists atrocities. When Timothy McVeigh committed his heinous act no-one described him as 'the Christian bomber'. Words and terminology ARE important.
This forum and a great many people in the west need to wake the fuck up. We don't need people like the cunt in my sig.
Timothy McViegh was not labeled the "Christian Bomber" for 1 reason, he didn't commit his crimes in the name of God, or Christianity.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Perhaps, and the point being??Spark wrote:
Perhaps it's because the Christians actually have a decent lifestyle, and decent standard of life? And the Muslims who don't have any standard of life feel a bit envious of those who do?lowing wrote:
Sorry Cam, there is good reason for the "bigotry" you say we all have. If this religion was hijacked by such a small percentage of radicals, why are the Muslim communities not policing their ranks? NOT unlike the moderate Christians stomping out the KKK or the skinheads at their own rallies, to such effect that these groups look more foolish than anything else. Moderate Christianity has stifled the radical elements of their religion in America. I expect and demand if the Muslims are to gain any favor from me, they step up, take charge and put their God damned dogs on a leash.CameronPoe wrote:
What we have on this forum is bigotry, not racism. If I was as bigotted as many of the people on this forum I would constantly whine on about how 'the jews' treat the Palestinian people out of whose property a portion of those people created their state and cotinue to terrorise the Palestinians. But the fact of the matter is that jews are not responsible for this. Certain groups of people are - Zionists being one of them. Zionism is an ethos, the fact that most Zionists are jews should not mean that all jews get tarred with the same dirty brush as this scum. Many jews are good people and some even protest the presence of the Israelis in the occupied territories.
What you have on this forum, even demonstrated above by a moderator of the site no less (in bold), are gross generalisations about a massive swathe of individuals who happen to follow a particular religion. It's like Hitler when he convinced the world 'the jews' were creating a network of influential jewish people across the world to ensure they attained a priviliged status in society wherever they went. It's bigotry plain and simple. I know a few muslims. I've been to many muslim countires and met many muslims. I have always received the warmest welcomes there, warmer than any welcome modern western societies lay on. I attended an adventure marathon in Killarney, Co. Kerry, at the weekend and a team had come all the way over from Pakistan to participate. They fit in just fine. Sure, they didn't drink any alcohol at the function afterwards and their meals were prepared halal but they mixed in well, went out dancing and were extremely cordial and friendly.
The acts of a very few people have warped the minds of the many. Hitler managed to convince people that 6m jews should be put to death. The same is happening today with Muslims being lined up for the chop. I hope that some of the bigots on the forum pull their heads out of their asses and start using correct terminology when they speak of who carries out terrorists atrocities. When Timothy McVeigh committed his heinous act no-one described him as 'the Christian bomber'. Words and terminology ARE important.
This forum and a great many people in the west need to wake the fuck up. We don't need people like the cunt in my sig.
Timothy McViegh was not labeled the "Christian Bomber" for 1 reason, he didn't commit his crimes in the name of God, or Christianity.
As much money that has been thrown at the ME to try and settle all of their bullshit, they should all be living better than any of us, but no, they instead would rather blow each other, and us, up.
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Well... if you don't have a decent standard of life, are you really likely to try and shut down the people who say that you SHOULD have a decent standard, and that you should fight for it?
Common sense, people.
Common sense, people.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Don't look now, but we have been over there trying to weed out the radicals, build schools, power grids, communications etc....trying to help these people.Spark wrote:
Well... if you don't have a decent standard of life, are you really likely to try and shut down the people who say that you SHOULD have a decent standard, and that you should fight for it?
Common sense, people.
Yes, Spark, if you do not have a descent standard of life, you do something about it. YOu certainly do not try and kill those that are working to try and build you one.
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You ask why Moderate Muslims are not fighting extremists?
Countries with organized (domestic) Muslim LEGAL and STATE APPROVED communities don't have much problems with radical Islam and its growing influence. In Bosnia those few radical extremist that tried to settle there are not allowed in Mosques. They are not allowed to open their own religious schools. Imams (preachers) have to be "certified" by that religious LEGAL body to be able to "work" in a mosque. If they start preaching extreemistic ideas they are literally fired. And its not the state that is fighting them, its the Bosnian Traditional Muslim community (formed in 1882).
The beautifull thing is that when they start bitching about freedom of speech and democracy and start suing the state, they are simply told that state cant get involved in religious matters (sepperation of state and mosque).
In Austria for example, the forming of such a "organization" was never allowed. Probably under the influence of the Church. Thats why there is no one that can oppose the extremist influence. The state can not forbid freedom of speech, and they are very good at using western values.
Countries with organized (domestic) Muslim LEGAL and STATE APPROVED communities don't have much problems with radical Islam and its growing influence. In Bosnia those few radical extremist that tried to settle there are not allowed in Mosques. They are not allowed to open their own religious schools. Imams (preachers) have to be "certified" by that religious LEGAL body to be able to "work" in a mosque. If they start preaching extreemistic ideas they are literally fired. And its not the state that is fighting them, its the Bosnian Traditional Muslim community (formed in 1882).
The beautifull thing is that when they start bitching about freedom of speech and democracy and start suing the state, they are simply told that state cant get involved in religious matters (sepperation of state and mosque).
In Austria for example, the forming of such a "organization" was never allowed. Probably under the influence of the Church. Thats why there is no one that can oppose the extremist influence. The state can not forbid freedom of speech, and they are very good at using western values.
Actually, vast amounts of the money the Americans gave to Iraq was completely wasted on poorly thought out ideas, utterly crappy reconstruction efforts and a seemly concerted effort to make sure as many US dollars went straight back to the US as humanly possible.lowing wrote:
Don't look now, but we have been over there trying to weed out the radicals, build schools, power grids, communications etc....trying to help these people.Spark wrote:
Well... if you don't have a decent standard of life, are you really likely to try and shut down the people who say that you SHOULD have a decent standard, and that you should fight for it?
Common sense, people.
Yes, Spark, if you do not have a descent standard of life, you do something about it. YOu certainly do not try and kill those that are working to try and build you one.
Buy essential drugs for the hospitals? No. Pay an american company to replace all of Iraqs back notes with ones that don't have Saddam on? Yes.
Pay the locals to do the building work? No. Pay a US company about 4 times what the locals were charging only to have them subcontract the the work to the locals anyway and pocket the difference? Yes.
Lowing - what is this radical islam wave of terrorism against the west you speak of? 7/7, Madrid and 9/11? I'm sorry but those acts were perpetrated by a maximum of about 200 people combined. Muslims have inhabited France and the UK for at least a hundred years. Acts of terrorism carried out on supposed religious grounds in each country? Zero (the 7/7 bombers stated that they carried out their act in protest at the decision by their government to go to war in Iraq - not a religion-based reason).lowing wrote:
Sorry Cam, there is good reason for the "bigotry" you say we all have. If this religion was hijacked by such a small percentage of radicals, why are the Muslim communities not policing their ranks? NOT unlike the moderate Christians stomping out the KKK or the skinheads at their own rallies, to such effect that these groups look more foolish than anything else. Moderate Christianity has stifled the radical elements of their religion in America. I expect and demand if the Muslims are to gain any favor from me, they step up, take charge and put their God damned dogs on a leash.
Timothy McViegh was not labeled the "Christian Bomber" for 1 reason, he didn't commit his crimes in the name of God, or Christianity.
Muslims should police their own ranks? Well Lowing - that monster Saddam was effective at that and acts of radical Islamist terror are few and far between in most middle eastern countries - where governments do not allow such groups to operate (Egypt & Turkey are particularly tough on this). Power vacuums like Iraq are where the extremists can successfully breed. There's little or no 'policing' there. And who is to blame for creating that power vacuum? Lowing - you are one who usually espouses the values of self-determination and minimisation of governmental interference in your own affairs. I find it odd that you propose that just because you follow a particular creed you are duty-bound to police your neighbours who coincidentally follow said creed. Should I make a statement denouncing the criminal acts of a fellow atheist just simply because I'm an atheist? I don't think so somehow.
When I was in London last month I was walking along the edge of Hyde Park to get to Paddington Station to catch a train to Heathrow. On my right was a procession of Muslims making their way to Marble Arch, celebrating the Ashouraa (sp?) festival. They drew a lot of attention from passers-by as they carried their flags with arabic writing, carried a miniature silver mosque, chanted and lightly/symbolically flagellated themselves. As I walked along I was inundated with young muslims handing out flyers, special newspapers and free DVDs explaining the ritual. The paper was fully of articles that were condemnatory of terror, articles about how non-muslims should have nothing to fear about muslims, articles about American soldiers helping Iraqi children. This is hardly what you would expect from those whose picture has been distorted and silenced in the media and on this forum.
Yes i do, and theres a lot more countries in the 'east' (from u.s.) meaning the whole side of the worldScorpion0x17 wrote:
You do realise that 'east' and 'west' have specific meanings and are not simply a matter of whether the countries 'like' each other, don't you?Dezerteagal5 wrote:
Well, if i dont have a reason to like them then by default its more of a... Dislike.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
So, by "the whole east" you mean anything to the east of the USA? in that case are russia, the 'stans', iran, india, china, japan, etc etc all in the west?
I dont like china, there too... big... and iran had mine as well be iraq and afganistan for all the good they've done me personally.
The dark grey = cool with me
The medium grey = The ones i dont perticularly like (by default)
The light grey (up by UK, couldnt really tell you where the UK was in the glob of stuff) = Places im not sure of
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15 more years! 15 more years!
The point is it is the poor quality of life driving people to religious fundamentalism. When the quality of life is low, religious fundamentalism is rife, examples can be seen throughout history (from a Christian perspective, the Crusades and the various Inquisitions) and in more contemporary settings, such as Africa.lowing wrote:
Perhaps, and the point being??Spark wrote:
Perhaps it's because the Christians actually have a decent lifestyle, and decent standard of life? And the Muslims who don't have any standard of life feel a bit envious of those who do?lowing wrote:
Sorry Cam, there is good reason for the "bigotry" you say we all have. If this religion was hijacked by such a small percentage of radicals, why are the Muslim communities not policing their ranks? NOT unlike the moderate Christians stomping out the KKK or the skinheads at their own rallies, to such effect that these groups look more foolish than anything else. Moderate Christianity has stifled the radical elements of their religion in America. I expect and demand if the Muslims are to gain any favor from me, they step up, take charge and put their God damned dogs on a leash.
Timothy McViegh was not labeled the "Christian Bomber" for 1 reason, he didn't commit his crimes in the name of God, or Christianity.
Being Muslim is nothing to do with it.
It's all about perspective. From a Middle Eastern perspective the US is very easily painted as the bad guy, it is not hard for leaders to pass off their own shortcomings onto American (or to a lesser extent European) influences in the region. Immense US support for Israel who have acted deplorably towards all Arab states and most Middle Eastern ones, a long history of US interference in Middle Eastern governments, side switching, military action in the region leading to civilian casualties and other collateral damage are all factors that are extremely easy for radical anti-Western leaders to exploit and manipulate to their own advantage (Ahmadinejad is a prime example - blaming the US for ever rising Iranian inflation (which is in part due to UN sanctions - but not entirely)).lowing wrote:
if you do not have a descent standard of life, you do something about it. YOu certainly do not try and kill those that are working to try and build you one.
Stop giving these radical leaders so much ammunition.
Much like we see in Iran and Saudi Arabia?zeidmaan wrote:
Countries with organized (domestic) Muslim LEGAL and STATE APPROVED communities don't have much problems with radical Islam and its growing influence.
Doesn't seem to work there. Although that could also be down to deliberate government incitement of hatred for the West and Western ideals.
"couldnt really tell you where the UK was in the glob of stuff" -Dezerteagal5 wrote:
Yes i do, and theres a lot more countries in the 'east' (from u.s.) meaning the whole side of the worldScorpion0x17 wrote:
You do realise that 'east' and 'west' have specific meanings and are not simply a matter of whether the countries 'like' each other, don't you?Dezerteagal5 wrote:
Well, if i dont have a reason to like them then by default its more of a... Dislike.
I dont like china, there too... big... and iran had mine as well be iraq and afganistan for all the good they've done me personally.
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/3408/mymapmo9.jpg
The dark grey = cool with me
The medium grey = The ones i dont perticularly like (by default)
The light grey (up by UK, couldnt really tell you where the UK was in the glob of stuff) = Places im not sure of
The 'east' is NOT everything to the east of the United States!
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Worldwikipedia wrote:
The term Western world or "the West" (also on rare occasions called the Occident) can have multiple meanings depending on its context (i.e. the time period and the used criteria). Even definitions of what constitutes the West today vary. In general however there is a consensus that the West includes at least Western Europe, the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.[1] In other definitions, Eastern Europe, Latin America, Turkey, and/or Israel are often included, as their cultures are closely linked. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Hong Kong are often described as Western, especially in a political or economic context, because of their high living standards and their social, economical and political structure.
Oh, and btw, the UK is the larger of the two islands (and a bit of the smaller one) at the top of the grey box at the top of your image - you obliterated Scotland with your grey box...
Yes thats great. Thats why after i said 'east' i added (OF THE U.S.) because the world is round so east depends on wherever your position is,Scorpion0x17 wrote:
"couldnt really tell you where the UK was in the glob of stuff" -Dezerteagal5 wrote:
Yes i do, and theres a lot more countries in the 'east' (from u.s.) meaning the whole side of the worldScorpion0x17 wrote:
You do realise that 'east' and 'west' have specific meanings and are not simply a matter of whether the countries 'like' each other, don't you?
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/3408/mymapmo9.jpg
The dark grey = cool with me
The medium grey = The ones i dont perticularly like (by default)
The light grey (up by UK, couldnt really tell you where the UK was in the glob of stuff) = Places im not sure of
The 'east' is NOT everything to the east of the United States!source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Worldwikipedia wrote:
The term Western world or "the West" (also on rare occasions called the Occident) can have multiple meanings depending on its context (i.e. the time period and the used criteria). Even definitions of what constitutes the West today vary. In general however there is a consensus that the West includes at least Western Europe, the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.[1] In other definitions, Eastern Europe, Latin America, Turkey, and/or Israel are often included, as their cultures are closely linked. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Hong Kong are often described as Western, especially in a political or economic context, because of their high living standards and their social, economical and political structure.
Oh, and btw, the UK is the larger of the two islands (and a bit of the smaller one) at the top of the grey box at the top of your image - you obliterated Scotland with your grey box...
15 more years! 15 more years!
I am sorry that happens. Don't respond to it and it usually dies on the vine. People liked that are trying to get noticed.{B-T}<babacanosh> wrote:
It seems to me that bf2s forums are getting more populated with threads against Islam. Many of you are always basing us on what you see on T.V. and our Steryo ( excuse my spelling) types.
You don't see me making fun of jews or any other religion.
And i think it should stop.
The people that mouth off and insult here are always timid pitiful, ineffectual, mice in reality.
This is there only safe venue.
Maybe Try and help educate them? Get in their head, learn their perspective. Small minded people are easy to sway when you know how and an empty head fills quicker. If you have the time... I don't.
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