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2007-03-22 00:08:46
Bubbalo
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Turquoise wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Mao was far more brutal than Kai-Shek ever was.
Which explains why the people supported Mao..................................or not.

The majority of deaths under Mao were either the result of subordinates taking things to far, or poor planning rather than maliciousness.  Kai-Shek was famed for his brutality, whilst Communist soldiers were known for their politeness.
I take it you're a Communist apologist.
Who am I apologising to?

Fact is that until the Cultural Revolution, Mao did not encourage large scale civil violence.

Chiang Kai-Shek, on the other hand, was known for marching into villages and opening fire.
2007-03-23 05:24:37
Bubbalo
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Stingray24 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:


Yes the US is hauling people off to prison for 10 years for pro-democracy internet activities aren't we . . .
No, the US government is dealing with China despite it's human rights abuses.
True.  I wish we wouldn't do that, but we don't have much of a choice in this global economy.
Have you ever considered the fact that either does Yahoo!.....................?
2007-03-23 19:53:23
Turquoise
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Bubbalo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Which explains why the people supported Mao..................................or not.

The majority of deaths under Mao were either the result of subordinates taking things to far, or poor planning rather than maliciousness.  Kai-Shek was famed for his brutality, whilst Communist soldiers were known for their politeness.
I take it you're a Communist apologist.
Who am I apologising to?

Fact is that until the Cultural Revolution, Mao did not encourage large scale civil violence.

Chiang Kai-Shek, on the other hand, was known for marching into villages and opening fire.
Whether or not Mao pulled the trigger, he was responsible in one way or another for the deaths of about 100 million Chinese over the period of time he ruled.  I'd say Kai-Shek pales by comparison in terms of brutality.

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-03-23 19:54:53)

2007-03-23 19:54:32
Turquoise
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Bubbalo wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:


No, the US government is dealing with China despite it's human rights abuses.
True.  I wish we wouldn't do that, but we don't have much of a choice in this global economy.
Have you ever considered the fact that either does Yahoo!.....................?
They do have a choice.  They can say "Fuck China."  They make plenty of money outside of China, so if they refuse the wishes of the Chinese government, they'll be blocked, but they'll retain some dignity.
2007-03-23 21:53:48
Bubbalo
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Turquoise wrote:

Whether or not Mao pulled the trigger, he was responsible in one way or another for the deaths of about 100 million Chinese over the period of time he ruled.  I'd say Kai-Shek pales by comparison in terms of brutality.
Wow, we'll compare someone who never actually ruled the country, and only held any power for a much shorter time, and still use absolute rather than relative numbers.  That............that's an interesting method.  So, then, the US is a much more evil country than Iran.
2007-03-23 21:54:48
Bubbalo
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Turquoise wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

True.  I wish we wouldn't do that, but we don't have much of a choice in this global economy.
Have you ever considered the fact that either does Yahoo!.....................?
They do have a choice.  They can say "Fuck China."  They make plenty of money outside of China, so if they refuse the wishes of the Chinese government, they'll be blocked, but they'll retain some dignity.
So, Yahoo! has choice, but the US government doesn't?  Are you serious?
2007-03-24 16:24:15
Turquoise
O Canada
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Bubbalo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Whether or not Mao pulled the trigger, he was responsible in one way or another for the deaths of about 100 million Chinese over the period of time he ruled.  I'd say Kai-Shek pales by comparison in terms of brutality.
Wow, we'll compare someone who never actually ruled the country, and only held any power for a much shorter time, and still use absolute rather than relative numbers.  That............that's an interesting method.  So, then, the US is a much more evil country than Iran.
It depends on how you define evil.  I can see how some people might think America is more evil than Iran.  I would disagree with them, but I'm sure there's a way you could argue for that view....
2007-03-24 16:25:21
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6853|North Carolina

Bubbalo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Have you ever considered the fact that either does Yahoo!.....................?
They do have a choice.  They can say "Fuck China."  They make plenty of money outside of China, so if they refuse the wishes of the Chinese government, they'll be blocked, but they'll retain some dignity.
So, Yahoo! has choice, but the US government doesn't?  Are you serious?
Good point...  We do have a choice, but we don't have the dignity to make it....
2007-03-24 21:18:24
Bubbalo
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Turquoise wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Whether or not Mao pulled the trigger, he was responsible in one way or another for the deaths of about 100 million Chinese over the period of time he ruled.  I'd say Kai-Shek pales by comparison in terms of brutality.
Wow, we'll compare someone who never actually ruled the country, and only held any power for a much shorter time, and still use absolute rather than relative numbers.  That............that's an interesting method.  So, then, the US is a much more evil country than Iran.
It depends on how you define evil.  I can see how some people might think America is more evil than Iran.  I would disagree with them, but I'm sure there's a way you could argue for that view....
But based on your logic, it's true.
2007-03-24 22:48:44
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6853|North Carolina

Bubbalo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:


Wow, we'll compare someone who never actually ruled the country, and only held any power for a much shorter time, and still use absolute rather than relative numbers.  That............that's an interesting method.  So, then, the US is a much more evil country than Iran.
It depends on how you define evil.  I can see how some people might think America is more evil than Iran.  I would disagree with them, but I'm sure there's a way you could argue for that view....
But based on your logic, it's true.
Please elaborate....
2007-03-25 02:09:04
Bubbalo
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Turquoise wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


It depends on how you define evil.  I can see how some people might think America is more evil than Iran.  I would disagree with them, but I'm sure there's a way you could argue for that view....
But based on your logic, it's true.
Please elaborate....
You declare the Mao is worse than Chiang Kai-Shek purely because more people died under Mao.  By that logic, the US is worse than Iran.
2007-03-25 10:34:00
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6853|North Carolina

Bubbalo wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:


But based on your logic, it's true.
Please elaborate....
You declare the Mao is worse than Chiang Kai-Shek purely because more people died under Mao.  By that logic, the US is worse than Iran.
Well, it is true that we have entered more wars than Iran in the last 100 years, but the difference between Mao and us is the difference between killng a large chunk of your family (100 million Chinese citizens under your rule) and killing people that pull a gun on you or your friends (Nazies, Imperialist Japanese, Communist Koreans, Communist Vietnamese, Iraqi invaders, Serbian murderers, and insurgents).
2007-03-26 00:49:54
Bubbalo
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We aren't talking about the difference between Mao and the US, we're talking about the difference between Mao and Chiang Kai Shek and comparing it to the difference between Iran and the US.

 

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