Ya I wonder how that would turn out for youBubbalo wrote:
Yes, because if I went around saying Jews are elitist assholes, nobody would care.ATG wrote:
They get offended too easily. They want to be intolerant without fessing up to it.Spearhead wrote:
Well, the video itself is very, very biased. I imagine a Muslim would be very offended by that. If you can find some videos totally trashing Christianity, and compare the two situations, then I guess we could make a conclusion...
They're just covering their asses. Seems like nothing more than a publicity stunt for the guy who posted it. Yeah Islam has radicals. So does practically every other religion. Even the Quakers were radicals back in the olden days of England!
The video bordered on inciting hatred, and I doubt that's something that YouTube/Google would want to get themselves into. Bubbalo hit the nail on the head. These misconstrued quotes basically said "If you don't believe in Allah you're going to hell." Why does that remind me of another religious scripture? What's it called? Oh yeah, the Bible -_-
This video is trying to convey the message that all muslims are evil. That's like saying all fats are bad for you. Some are, some aren't.
The video bordered on inciting hatred, and I doubt that's something that YouTube/Google would want to get themselves into. Bubbalo hit the nail on the head. These misconstrued quotes basically said "If you don't believe in Allah you're going to hell." Why does that remind me of another religious scripture? What's it called? Oh yeah, the Bible -_-
This video is trying to convey the message that all muslims are evil. That's like saying all fats are bad for you. Some are, some aren't.
LOLtheelviscerator wrote:
STFU about Islam vs Christianity.
I have yet to see one video of someone getting their head slowly sawn off by a dull knife Jed Clampett wouldnt use to whittle with while saying Praise Jesus! as the windpipe is cut.
All of you who defend islam have your head so far up your ass your its not funny.
Good one. Defending a peace-loving religion that is being misrepresented everyday in the news. Hey dude, why don't you fucking GO TO WHERE MUSLIMS live and FORM AN OPINION. I can tell you've never been to Europe, or the middle East, or anywhere else large groups of Muslims live, and you probably don't want to. Who has their head stuck up their ass? Me? Bubbalo? lmfao... I'm convinced the post above was a joke.
Well, he does have a point. Jews can get really pissy too. Then again, at least they don't blow up people when they are offended.Spearhead wrote:
Ya I wonder how that would turn out for youBubbalo wrote:
Yes, because if I went around saying Jews are elitist assholes, nobody would care.ATG wrote:
They get offended too easily. They want to be intolerant without fessing up to it.
If youre searching or using some thing like limewire, just search this:CommieChipmunk wrote:
what is the name of this song??! I've looked for ever!
Song title- Matrix Theme
Artist- Crystal Method
should find it
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It's actually Rob D. Crystal Method is a good band though.eagles1106 wrote:
If youre searching or using some thing like limewire, just search this:CommieChipmunk wrote:
what is the name of this song??! I've looked for ever!
Song title- Matrix Theme
Artist- Crystal Method
should find it
Ah, well im still content, downloaded it awhile ago under crystal method and Im fineTurquoise wrote:
It's actually Rob D. Crystal Method is a good band though.eagles1106 wrote:
If youre searching or using some thing like limewire, just search this:CommieChipmunk wrote:
what is the name of this song??! I've looked for ever!
Song title- Matrix Theme
Artist- Crystal Method
should find it
Even if the views may be misleading to what Islam really is, it should still be allowed. I do agree that Islams
"reputation" and what not is brought down because of mislead views like the ones generated by islamo-radicalistic ass fuck. In this country (at least where youtube is located), you can have your beliefs, whatever they be. Thats why the country allows things such as KKK rally's and other things. Why shouldnt this youtube poster be allowed to post the (even if they are mislead) views of the Quran.....
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Suicide bombs are not the only things that go boom.Turquoise wrote:
Well, he does have a point. Jews can get really pissy too. Then again, at least they don't blow up people when they are offended.Spearhead wrote:
Ya I wonder how that would turn out for youBubbalo wrote:
Yes, because if I went around saying Jews are elitist assholes, nobody would care.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
If you're referring to the Israeli government, I know what you mean. However, they don't usually attack unless they are attacked first. Whether or not they go overboard in their retaliation is up for debate....m3thod wrote:
Suicide bombs are not the only things that go boom.Turquoise wrote:
Well, he does have a point. Jews can get really pissy too. Then again, at least they don't blow up people when they are offended.Spearhead wrote:
Ya I wonder how that would turn out for you
1000 civilians dead vs. 2 kidnapped soldiers...not much debate there.Turquoise wrote:
If you're referring to the Israeli government, I know what you mean. However, they don't usually attack unless they are attacked first. Whether or not they go overboard in their retaliation is up for debate....m3thod wrote:
Suicide bombs are not the only things that go boom.Turquoise wrote:
Well, he does have a point. Jews can get really pissy too. Then again, at least they don't blow up people when they are offended.
Good point, but it looks like Lebanon is now festering with extremists. If anyone won that battle, it was Hezbollah.sergeriver wrote:
1000 civilians dead vs. 2 kidnapped soldiers...not much debate there.Turquoise wrote:
If you're referring to the Israeli government, I know what you mean. However, they don't usually attack unless they are attacked first. Whether or not they go overboard in their retaliation is up for debate....m3thod wrote:
Suicide bombs are not the only things that go boom.
I hate to say it, but I think Israel would have been better off invading and occupying Lebanon. They never should have pulled out of Lebanon a few years ago, because it's obvious that Lebanon is incapable of running things without terrorists hijacking the government.
Hezbollah is a party. Hezbollah did a lot of things to help the people in need in Lebanon. They also harbor terrorists, which is very wrong. But what Israel does can be called terrorism too. The difference is Hezbollah throws rocks and homemade missiles and Israel has the 4th largest army in the World.Turquoise wrote:
Good point, but it looks like Lebanon is now festering with extremists. If anyone won that battle, it was Hezbollah.sergeriver wrote:
1000 civilians dead vs. 2 kidnapped soldiers...not much debate there.Turquoise wrote:
If you're referring to the Israeli government, I know what you mean. However, they don't usually attack unless they are attacked first. Whether or not they go overboard in their retaliation is up for debate....
I hate to say it, but I think Israel would have been better off invading and occupying Lebanon. They never should have pulled out of Lebanon a few years ago, because it's obvious that Lebanon is incapable of running things without terrorists hijacking the government.
True, but if the government of a country does nothing about a political group that sends missiles into a neighboring country's cities, I can't fault the targeted country for invading the offending one.sergeriver wrote:
Hezbollah is a party. Hezbollah did a lot of things to help the people in need in Lebanon. They also harbor terrorists, which is very wrong. But what Israel does can be called terrorism too. The difference is Hezbollah throws rocks and homemade missiles and Israel has the 4th largest army in the World.Turquoise wrote:
Good point, but it looks like Lebanon is now festering with extremists. If anyone won that battle, it was Hezbollah.sergeriver wrote:
1000 civilians dead vs. 2 kidnapped soldiers...not much debate there.
I hate to say it, but I think Israel would have been better off invading and occupying Lebanon. They never should have pulled out of Lebanon a few years ago, because it's obvious that Lebanon is incapable of running things without terrorists hijacking the government.
Imagine what would happen if an extremist group in Mexico (that also held seats in government) started sending missiles into various American cities, and the government of Mexico did nothing to stop it. You can be sure they'd get invaded by us.
The same would be true if, say, Chile started sending missiles into Argentina. Wouldn't you expect your country to retaliate with invasion, if Chile's government just sat back and let it continue?
The only thing added by the producer was a question mark. So you think that's worth an account deletion? If you removed all the propaganda off youtube it would reduced to bored teenagers and old South park episodes. There is no way this guy should have had his account removed.Spark wrote:
Inciting hatred/inciting violence as far as I know is a crime...
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I understand your point here, but what do you expect Lebanon to do? They are oppressed people, Israel has devastated their land. Can you blame them?Turquoise wrote:
True, but if the government of a country does nothing about a political group that sends missiles into a neighboring country's cities, I can't fault the targeted country for invading the offending one.sergeriver wrote:
Hezbollah is a party. Hezbollah did a lot of things to help the people in need in Lebanon. They also harbor terrorists, which is very wrong. But what Israel does can be called terrorism too. The difference is Hezbollah throws rocks and homemade missiles and Israel has the 4th largest army in the World.Turquoise wrote:
Good point, but it looks like Lebanon is now festering with extremists. If anyone won that battle, it was Hezbollah.
I hate to say it, but I think Israel would have been better off invading and occupying Lebanon. They never should have pulled out of Lebanon a few years ago, because it's obvious that Lebanon is incapable of running things without terrorists hijacking the government.
Imagine what would happen if an extremist group in Mexico (that also held seats in government) started sending missiles into various American cities, and the government of Mexico did nothing to stop it. You can be sure they'd get invaded by us.
The same would be true if, say, Chile started sending missiles into Argentina. Wouldn't you expect your country to retaliate with invasion, if Chile's government just sat back and let it continue?
The question mark itself is offensive and deserves the account deletion.Kmarion wrote:
The only thing added by the producer was a question mark. So you think that's worth an account deletion? If you removed all the propaganda off youtube it would reduced to bored teenagers and old South park episodes. There is no way this guy should have had his account removed.Spark wrote:
Inciting hatred/inciting violence as far as I know is a crime...
Man I hope that was sarcasm.sergeriver wrote:
The question mark itself is offensive and deserves the account deletion.Kmarion wrote:
The only thing added by the producer was a question mark. So you think that's worth an account deletion? If you removed all the propaganda off youtube it would reduced to bored teenagers and old South park episodes. There is no way this guy should have had his account removed.Spark wrote:
Inciting hatred/inciting violence as far as I know is a crime...
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Well, I'm not saying Israel is such a great country. Over the years, they've done some pretty horrible things, just like their enemies. Sharon basically was once a war criminal.sergeriver wrote:
I understand your point here, but what do you expect Lebanon to do? They are oppressed people, Israel has devastated their land. Can you blame them?Turquoise wrote:
True, but if the government of a country does nothing about a political group that sends missiles into a neighboring country's cities, I can't fault the targeted country for invading the offending one.sergeriver wrote:
Hezbollah is a party. Hezbollah did a lot of things to help the people in need in Lebanon. They also harbor terrorists, which is very wrong. But what Israel does can be called terrorism too. The difference is Hezbollah throws rocks and homemade missiles and Israel has the 4th largest army in the World.
Imagine what would happen if an extremist group in Mexico (that also held seats in government) started sending missiles into various American cities, and the government of Mexico did nothing to stop it. You can be sure they'd get invaded by us.
The same would be true if, say, Chile started sending missiles into Argentina. Wouldn't you expect your country to retaliate with invasion, if Chile's government just sat back and let it continue?
All I can say is that what Hezbollah is doing is only hurting their people, and when the people throw their support to them out of anger, they're only signing their death warrants to Israel. If Lebanon wants to exist much longer, they'd better stop attacking Israel.
Might doesn't make right, but it sometimes has a lot to do with survival.
I really think that was pretty offensive to Islam. How would Christians feel if you'd make a similar video talking about the Old Testament?Kmarion wrote:
Man I hope that was sarcasm.sergeriver wrote:
The question mark itself is offensive and deserves the account deletion.Kmarion wrote:
The only thing added by the producer was a question mark. So you think that's worth an account deletion? If you removed all the propaganda off youtube it would reduced to bored teenagers and old South park episodes. There is no way this guy should have had his account removed.
Wow I expected more from you Serge. You are sitting here talking about the oppression of the Lebanese and at the same time suggesting an opposing view exercising freedom of expression be banished. Christians wouldn't be happy of course but they should respect everyones right to protest. It's ideas like that cause people to die over a cartoon.sergeriver wrote:
I really think that was pretty offensive to Islam. How would Christians feel if you'd make a similar video talking about the Old Testament?Kmarion wrote:
Man I hope that was sarcasm.sergeriver wrote:
The question mark itself is offensive and deserves the account deletion.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Now you compare my viewpoint to the Muslim extremists views?Kmarion wrote:
Wow I expected more from you Serge. You are sitting here talking about the oppression of the Lebanese and at the same time suggesting an opposing view exercising freedom of expression be banished. Christians wouldn't be happy of course but they should respect everyones right to protest. It's ideas like that cause people to die over a cartoon.sergeriver wrote:
I really think that was pretty offensive to Islam. How would Christians feel if you'd make a similar video talking about the Old Testament?Kmarion wrote:
Man I hope that was sarcasm.
I support freedom of speech, but in times like these, do you really think it's OK to offend Muslims? Aren't we trying to make the difference by being better than extremists?
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Appeasement should not come at the price of freedom of speech. We are talking about youtube, not running through the streets of Fallujah screaming death to Islam. Keep everything in perspective.sergeriver wrote:
Now you compare my viewpoint with the Muslim extremists views?Kmarion wrote:
Wow I expected more from you Serge. You are sitting here talking about the oppression of the Lebanese and at the same time suggesting an opposing view exercising freedom of expression be banished. Christians wouldn't be happy of course but they should respect everyones right to protest. It's ideas like that cause people to die over a cartoon.sergeriver wrote:
I really think that was pretty offensive to Islam. How would Christians feel if you'd make a similar video talking about the Old Testament?
I support freedom of speech, but in times like these, do you really think it's OK to offend Muslims? Aren't we trying to make the difference by being better than extremists?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Maybe so, but I would actually argue that the way to lessen extremism is to show the moderates that we aren't going to tolerate the actions of their fundamentalists. Basically, we need to make it in the best interests of moderates to eliminate extremists on their own terms.sergeriver wrote:
Now you compare my viewpoint with the Muslim extremists views?Kmarion wrote:
Wow I expected more from you Serge. You are sitting here talking about the oppression of the Lebanese and at the same time suggesting an opposing view exercising freedom of expression be banished. Christians wouldn't be happy of course but they should respect everyones right to protest. It's ideas like that cause people to die over a cartoon.sergeriver wrote:
I really think that was pretty offensive to Islam. How would Christians feel if you'd make a similar video talking about the Old Testament?
I support freedom of speech, but in times like these, do you really think it's OK to offend Muslims? Aren't we trying to make the difference by being better than extremists?
Otherwise, if we just keep treating Muslims like short-tempered psychos, then more and more of them will act like them. Being politically correct only affirms extremism.
Agreed. But the video is offensive to all Muslims, the moderate and the extremist as well.Turquoise wrote:
Maybe so, but I would actually argue that the way to lessen extremism is to show the moderates that we aren't going to tolerate the actions of their fundamentalists. Basically, we need to make it in the best interests of moderates to eliminate extremists on their own terms.sergeriver wrote:
Now you compare my viewpoint with the Muslim extremists views?Kmarion wrote:
Wow I expected more from you Serge. You are sitting here talking about the oppression of the Lebanese and at the same time suggesting an opposing view exercising freedom of expression be banished. Christians wouldn't be happy of course but they should respect everyones right to protest. It's ideas like that cause people to die over a cartoon.
I support freedom of speech, but in times like these, do you really think it's OK to offend Muslims? Aren't we trying to make the difference by being better than extremists?
Otherwise, if we just keep treating Muslims like short-tempered psychos, then more and more of them will act like them. Being politically correct only affirms extremism.
Good point, but moderates should be secure enough in their beliefs to not behave as extremists when offended.sergeriver wrote:
Agreed. But the video is offensive to all Muslims, the moderate and the extremist as well.Turquoise wrote:
Maybe so, but I would actually argue that the way to lessen extremism is to show the moderates that we aren't going to tolerate the actions of their fundamentalists. Basically, we need to make it in the best interests of moderates to eliminate extremists on their own terms.sergeriver wrote:
Now you compare my viewpoint with the Muslim extremists views?
I support freedom of speech, but in times like these, do you really think it's OK to offend Muslims? Aren't we trying to make the difference by being better than extremists?
Otherwise, if we just keep treating Muslims like short-tempered psychos, then more and more of them will act like them. Being politically correct only affirms extremism.
As others have mentioned, clips offensive to Christians have been allowed on Youtube, and the moderate Christians seem to have handled it well. Why not expect the same from Muslims?