maffiaw
ph33r me 傻逼
+40|6848|Melbourne, AUS
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ … 63,00.html

the new Japanese PM Shinzo Abe denies the thousands of rapes committed by Japanese forces during the Second World War.
How can there be a lack of evidence, when surviving veterans clearly remember committing those acts?
Some 200,000 Korean and Chinese women were sold into 'comfort stations' for soldiers, not to mention the countless acts of atrocities in the warzones.

Germany has acknowledged its war crimes, why not Japan?
Their foreign policies constantly give them a bad name in the S.E Asian region, when the common Japanese person is cool.
  Being of Chinese blood, it constantly irks me.

further reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_massacre
Havok
Nymphomaniac Treatment Specialist
+302|7102|Florida, United States

Yea, it's kinda hard to deny what eye-witnesses and even the criminal remember...    I always knew Japan was fucked up...
Janysc
Member
+59|7110|Norway
I can't believe people glorify that country just because they have a thing or two with anime.

But hey, will this reach the same amount of shit thrown at it as Ahmadinejad's denial of Holocaust? I'd say it's worse, as Japan was involved in Holocaust while Iran was not involved (or were they?).

So much excitement!
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6872|The Land of Scott Walker
Japan has a very rich history, don't lump the good apples in with the bad.
Lieutenant_Jensen
Your cops are corrupt.
+200|6818|fÄking denmark
Well , Japan was a very killing nation under the WWII , kamikaze + that the Japanise King (or whatever he was) said that the Japanise soldiers couldn't surrender , that would be a shame for the nation . Therefor they maybe wouldn't acknowledging the war crimes 'cause of the hard and brutal army of the time .
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
I gotta say, and i've made a thread suggesting Japan join us as a fullscale allied partner...

...how fucking retarded are they?

Way to go dipshits, everybody can justifiably say you are heartless prick murdering raping bastards, just like you were in WW2.

japans atrocities make Germanies treatment of the Jews seem not so  absurdly evil.
Mr.Pieeater
Member
+116|7051|Cherry Pie
Its true that they did that and it was a terrible thing.  But  Japan is a very different country now.  It is nice they apologized, but I think they are looking at it from the perspective that the numbers may be exagerated.  Afterall, if a Chinese person hates Japan are they going to give a small number or a large number?  It doesn't take a genius to know the answer to that question.  Besides, we have much greater things to worry about now, like Islamic extremists waging war against the western world.
Mr.Pieeater
Member
+116|7051|Cherry Pie

ATG wrote:

I gotta say, and i've made a thread suggesting Japan join us as a fullscale allied partner...

...how fucking retarded are they?

Way to go dipshits, everybody can justifiably say you are heartless prick murdering raping bastards, just like you were in WW2.

japans atrocities make Germanies treatment of the Jews seem not so  absurdly evil.
Wa...wa....wait a minute...  Are you saying that the Japanese murdering and raping 200,000 to 300,000 people makes the millions upon millions of peoeple murdered by the Germans seem not as bad?? 

You can't even compare the two from a statistical perspective.  They are equally wrong in the way of killing people, but the numbers are so different your logic scares me.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7143

Lieutenant_Jensen wrote:

Well , Japan was a very killing nation under the WWII , kamikaze + that the Japanise King (or whatever he was) said that the Japanise soldiers couldn't surrender , that would be a shame for the nation . Therefor they maybe wouldn't acknowledging the war crimes 'cause of the hard and brutal army of the time .
Emperor didn't say shit. It's their honour thing. For Centuries Samurai have never surrendered to the enemy, just like the ww2 Japanese army.
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maffiaw
ph33r me 傻逼
+40|6848|Melbourne, AUS
I'm not hating the  country, I'm confused with their regime.

WTF kind of government apologises for war crimes and then withdraws them 10 years later?

Exaggeration you say? Go tell that to my grandparents....
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command

Mr.Pieeater wrote:

ATG wrote:

I gotta say, and i've made a thread suggesting Japan join us as a fullscale allied partner...

...how fucking retarded are they?

Way to go dipshits, everybody can justifiably say you are heartless prick murdering raping bastards, just like you were in WW2.

japans atrocities make Germanies treatment of the Jews seem not so  absurdly evil.
Wa...wa....wait a minute...  Are you saying that the Japanese murdering and raping 200,000 to 300,000 people makes the millions upon millions of peoeple murdered by the Germans seem not as bad?? 

You can't even compare the two from a statistical perspective.  They are equally wrong in the way of killing people, but the numbers are so different your logic scares me.
What I'm saying is, the Germans may have been industrious in their killings but the Japanese were animals.
The ate the livers our or downed pilots. My great uncle Leatham Jenson died in a prison of war camp on an island in the Pacific.

The number you cite of 200,000 to 300,000, what is that, one or two islands worth of civilians they butchered or maybe a couple of cities in China?


I have read extensively on the subject of WW2 and I can tell you the Japanese were by far the most barbaric of combatants,
Mr.Pieeater
Member
+116|7051|Cherry Pie

ATG wrote:

Mr.Pieeater wrote:

Wa...wa....wait a minute...  Are you saying that the Japanese murdering and raping 200,000 to 300,000 people makes the millions upon millions of peoeple murdered by the Germans seem not as bad?? 

You can't even compare the two from a statistical perspective.  They are equally wrong in the way of killing people, but the numbers are so different your logic scares me.
What I'm saying is, the Germans may have been industrious in their killings but the Japanese were animals.
The ate the livers our or downed pilots. My great uncle Leatham Jenson died in a prison of war camp on an island in the Pacific.

The number you cite of 200,000 to 300,000, what is that, one or two islands worth of civilians they butchered or maybe a couple of cities in China?


I have read extensively on the subject of WW2 and I can tell you the Japanese were by far the most barbaric of combatants,
Okay, I get what you're saying now.  The Japanese fighting style is definately the way you are saying.  Killing is such a terrible thing, its a shame we can't all live in peace.  Whats even more scary are the similarities between Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan with the way that Islamic extremists think...  Its nuts!

Last edited by Mr.Pieeater (2007-03-02 21:31:14)

ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
I don't recommend clinking those links.
You'll never look at Japan the same way again if you haven't seen the footage before.
God awful stuff.
blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|7072

ATG wrote:

I don't recommend clinking those links.
You'll never look at Japan the same way again if you haven't seen the footage before.
God awful stuff.
k I wont CLINK on the links thx atg for the input
Smithereener
Member
+138|6743|California

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Lieutenant_Jensen wrote:

Well , Japan was a very killing nation under the WWII , kamikaze + that the Japanise King (or whatever he was) said that the Japanise soldiers couldn't surrender , that would be a shame for the nation . Therefor they maybe wouldn't acknowledging the war crimes 'cause of the hard and brutal army of the time .
Emperor didn't say shit. It's their honour thing. For Centuries Samurai have never surrendered to the enemy, just like the ww2 Japanese army.
Bingo. It's really the "honor" that makes them deny anything. I've heard that if you were to ask a normal Japanese person on the streets of Japan and ask them about Iwo Jima, they wouldn't know. I'd think it's sort of like the Chinese Government denying Tiannemen Square.
Mr.Pieeater
Member
+116|7051|Cherry Pie

Smithereener wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Lieutenant_Jensen wrote:

Well , Japan was a very killing nation under the WWII , kamikaze + that the Japanise King (or whatever he was) said that the Japanise soldiers couldn't surrender , that would be a shame for the nation . Therefor they maybe wouldn't acknowledging the war crimes 'cause of the hard and brutal army of the time .
Emperor didn't say shit. It's their honour thing. For Centuries Samurai have never surrendered to the enemy, just like the ww2 Japanese army.
Bingo. It's really the "honor" that makes them deny anything. I've heard that if you were to ask a normal Japanese person on the streets of Japan and ask them about Iwo Jima, they wouldn't know. I'd think it's sort of like the Chinese Government denying Tiannemen Square.
LOL, trust me a Japanese person would know about Iwo Jima...  ESPECIALLY since there is a movie about it in theaters right now which was almost entirely created by Japanese people. 

The reason Chinese people do not know about Tainnemen Square is because the government restricts what information they can recieve.  Japan is just as open as the United States with information.  Except maybe with companies, all companies in Japan have a closed book policy on all of their financial information.

I think maybe you don't know much about Japan from that statement.  Its a great country, they are good friends to the US, just like England.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
David.P
Banned
+649|6701

Janysc wrote:

I can't believe people glorify that country just because they have a thing or two with anime.
Thank you so much! I cant believe that 12 year olds glorify japan just because they like naruto and rpg's ! It annoys the fucken shit outta me! I've killed so many fucken naruto fanboys with my m24 so fucken many... My god i remember when i was 12 i was such a dbz fanboy you know why i stopped? Cause of the fucken kids in my school who were bigger fanboys then me they were fucken crazy about goku or gokan or whatever the fuck they were called! Same with pokemon i stopped that shit when i was 10 and i never looked back! I really fucken hate Anime fanboys really fucken hate them... Dont get me wrong i like some animes like Evangelion, Akira, Cowboy bebop, But Thats only cause they fanboys aint crazy, And you know whats bad about this shit? I know a few japanese guys who like me like fps's, action movies, and hate Otaku's! Hell they hate being japanese cause all these little kids will ask them about naruto and whatnot. Once i was playing cod2 with a guy by the name of "the patient one" He was japanese living in japan and he was cool excellent sniper, Anyway as me and him are talking i ask him where is he cause his ping is high tells me taiwan i ask why aint he in tokyo, He says he's on vacation from japan we laugh and then just then a stupid naruto fanboy bursts into our conversation and starts spamming him questions about his life and shit  about japan anime manga otaku bullshit and he gets annoyed real fucken annoyed he goes apeshit! tk's him senseless real senseless and disconnects, After that i never saw him again.

I'm sorry for being so angry right now but i kept getting tk'd by a naruto fanboy on iron gator because i owned him so hard the round before with my AK. Man i hate it when i cant sleep! Well G'night all i'm gonna tell you the whole story tomorrow on how i got revenge on the fucker.(And what he did to me afterwards)
Smithereener
Member
+138|6743|California

Mr.Pieeater wrote:

Smithereener wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Emperor didn't say shit. It's their honour thing. For Centuries Samurai have never surrendered to the enemy, just like the ww2 Japanese army.
Bingo. It's really the "honor" that makes them deny anything. I've heard that if you were to ask a normal Japanese person on the streets of Japan and ask them about Iwo Jima, they wouldn't know. I'd think it's sort of like the Chinese Government denying Tiannemen Square.
LOL, trust me a Japanese person would know about Iwo Jima...  ESPECIALLY since there is a movie about it in theaters right now which was almost entirely created by Japanese people. 

The reason Chinese people do not know about Tainnemen Square is because the government restricts what information they can recieve.  Japan is just as open as the United States with information.  Except maybe with companies, all companies in Japan have a closed book policy on all of their financial information.

I think maybe you don't know much about Japan from that statement.  Its a great country, they are good friends to the US, just like England.
I admit, I don't know the details of the events or occurances in Japan today. Maybe a little bit of history, but no real modern history. But I'm not ignorant enough to think that Japan isn't an ally of the US, nor did I ever state that Japan is a bad country. I wrote "I've heard" on purpose, I have no real credible source, so I just wanted to verify the statement and see if it was somewhat true. And what I meant by the not knowing of Iwo Jima was the same way that a lot of American high schoolers don't learn a lot about the Korean or Vietnam War. High school textbooks dedicate two or more chapters to causes, events, and consequences of both World War I and II. Yet, most of the time, the Korean and Vietnam War is barely covered in one or, at most, two chapters, which do not focus on the actual war itself. A brief mention and that's all. Ask an average American citizen to name at least 3 battles from WWI/II and name a few generals, he'd probably be able to name them. Ask them to name at least 3 battles or generals from the Korean/Vietnam War, and you'd probably get blank stares.

The analogy to Tiannemen Square was bad, I'll admit that too.

And I don't think you know much about Asian culture in general. Most FarEast Asian traditions revolve around two major factors: Honor and Fidelity. Elders are highly revered and honor is a huge part in the ways families function. I just simply believed that Iwo Jima or any other crushing defeat that the Japanese suffered was taught at a bare minimum, much like the "Korean/Vietnam War in Textbooks" scenario I described above. Therefore, it must make somewhat sense that the average Japanese person might not know about Iwo Jima.

Btw, I knew about Letters From Iwo Jima.

Whoever left the Karma, PM moi so I could return it.

Last edited by Smithereener (2007-03-03 09:16:19)

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