BF2S Forums *Jet pilot guide* How to lose that 6 on your tail my way!

Am I the only one to check out the threadstarters statsa and see he has just over a 1 KDR in the jet?

He's tried the move one day and it worked, and since then may have worked again against a few other new aviators.

Kudos for posting your thoughts mate, but I'll stick to the ever awesome Canada Zenmaster's guide (not that I'm ever off IO, but just in case).

Executiator wrote:

The REAL and BEST way to lose that bogey on your six is to fly striaght up and lose control of your plane, because they will too and completely forget about you trying to not lose control.

Easy as pie.

I once shot down another jet when he flew too high. I followed him up and we were both out of control. He happened to be in my field of vision so I switched to missiles, let him drop his flares, then blew him away.

Never slow down in jet.

Executiator wrote:

The REAL and BEST way to lose that bogey on your six is to fly striaght up and lose control of your plane, because they will too and completely forget about you trying to not lose control.

Easy as pie.

Yes your right this does work well and I do it as a last resort. But what iam explaining is not only how to evade but turn things around also!

Sorry good effort but crap guide, never slow down, learn the split-s !!

Big load of crap

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

Toilet Sex wrote:

xintegrityx wrote:

Toilet Sex wrote:

And I believe (could be wrong) the F-35 can actually keep under control higher than other jets. I think I read that somewhere anyway, and I've not seen anything to disagree with that.

Not according to [CANADA]_Zenmaster's guide...

Hmm... odd. I've had J-10s lose control before I do. Oh well, forget what I said then.

The F35 goes way faster then the J10 at higher altitudes, but the J10 maintains control slightly higher... for instance if you are doing a loop and the top of your loop hits around 1000-1100 feet in the J10 and your still at full power, you may just squeak back down to earth ok (without cutting throttle and falling back), but if you are in the 35 you can't pull the same maneuver quite so high (I believe you can do it in a 35 at around 950-1050 ok but definetly not 1100).

Try it in single player and see what results you get - I don't commonly try to skim the ceiling unless someone good is actually on the other team, which lets be honest, on pub servers happens pretty rarely. Dogfighting is totally devoid of action since the 1.14/1.2 bullshit which is a shame because it used to be about MG'ing people and you never even had to go up that high to have a great dog fight. Now I don't even bother to fight - if I am in a 35 I stay high, and if I am in a J10 I fire and forget. The only decent dog fight shows up in an F18 vs J10 and that still happens pretty rarely and the J10 still has a mild edge.

No it doesnt i have used this alot i go around 850 alt then point my nose down slightly and go down to 800 and by that time the j10 has lost me by going that extra 10 alt more.

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

Toilet Sex wrote:

xintegrityx wrote:

Toilet Sex wrote:

And I believe (could be wrong) the F-35 can actually keep under control higher than other jets. I think I read that somewhere anyway, and I've not seen anything to disagree with that.

Not according to [CANADA]_Zenmaster's guide...

Hmm... odd. I've had J-10s lose control before I do. Oh well, forget what I said then.

The only decent dog fight shows up in an F18 vs J10 and that still happens pretty rarely and the J10 still has a mild edge.

Is that some kind of funny joke? An F18 can't turn with a J10. I'd call that a huge edge, not a mild one. The only thing that match up has going for it is the fact that neither jets get hit by A2A missles.

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

Toilet Sex wrote:

Hmm... odd. I've had J-10s lose control before I do. Oh well, forget what I said then.

The only decent dog fight shows up in an F18 vs J10 and that still happens pretty rarely and the J10 still has a mild edge.

Is that some kind of funny joke? An F18 can't turn with a J10. I'd call that a huge edge, not a mild one. The only thing that match up has going for it is the fact that neither jets get hit by A2A missles.

I dont agree with ya, the J10 is superior for sure, but the F18 isn't all that bad, its not a slow piece of shit, it turns reasonably well, and best of all it dodges missiles just like the J10 does so even if it's not as good its still hard to shoot down a good pilot in either vehicle. The best way to take out the F18 is with the MGs which indeed the J10 has an edge on for faster turning, but then that is why I said it had a mild edge in the first place. It takes a lot longer to MG someone down then fire and forget an F35. Unless they are a tard flying straight at times...

I'm speaking from experience not out of my ass, so feel free to disagree but that is what I have seen while flying.

OakLeaves wrote:

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

Toilet Sex wrote:

Hmm... odd. I've had J-10s lose control before I do. Oh well, forget what I said then.

The F35 goes way faster then the J10 at higher altitudes, but the J10 maintains control slightly higher... for instance if you are doing a loop and the top of your loop hits around 1000-1100 feet in the J10 and your still at full power, you may just squeak back down to earth ok (without cutting throttle and falling back), but if you are in the 35 you can't pull the same maneuver quite so high (I believe you can do it in a 35 at around 950-1050 ok but definetly not 1100).

Try it in single player and see what results you get - I don't commonly try to skim the ceiling unless someone good is actually on the other team, which lets be honest, on pub servers happens pretty rarely. Dogfighting is totally devoid of action since the 1.14/1.2 bullshit which is a shame because it used to be about MG'ing people and you never even had to go up that high to have a great dog fight. Now I don't even bother to fight - if I am in a 35 I stay high, and if I am in a J10 I fire and forget. The only decent dog fight shows up in an F18 vs J10 and that still happens pretty rarely and the J10 still has a mild edge.

No it doesnt i have used this alot i go around 850 alt then point my nose down slightly and go down to 800 and by that time the j10 has lost me by going that extra 10 alt more.

My experience doesn't agree but if you want to make a video of conclusive evidence knock yourself out. I regularly take the 10 up to 950-1000 and get back down without cutting throttle at all. I know if I take the 35 up to 950 on Dalian I need to angle down and cut throttle to get back down, and over 1000 on Dalian makes my F35 needs the throttle cut full to get back down safely. Getting above 1000 in the 10 is risky too it can loose control.

They key is to have the very peak of your Split-S skimming the loss of control ceiling. This way you are actually just angling yourself down from the top of your loop as you hit the ceiling and you will come rocketing back down just fine, meanwhile if the other guy wasn't doing a loop like you are, he is going to go past the barrier and have to cut throttle and fall down, or go out of bounds. If you want to be sneaky, take your aggressive chaser near the edge of the border, do a Split-S right near the edge such that you are looping back into bounds and if you do it right, your chaser will go to high AND drift out of bounds, while you will either come down safely, or need to cut throttle but drift safely in bounds.

Anyways without a video, anything either of us says is pretty much hearsay, and the other problem is, how often does any of us fly against someone who knows what they are doing? Just because we see someone loose control at X height, doesn't mean shit, because who the fuck knows what they are doing, 90% of the people in this game are brain dead most of the time.

This is for NEW Pilots not Advanced Ones!!!!! People who are not famillar with advanced avation tactics and dont have a Physics degree. Just Smiple.

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

The only decent dog fight shows up in an F18 vs J10 and that still happens pretty rarely and the J10 still has a mild edge.

Is that some kind of funny joke? An F18 can't turn with a J10. I'd call that a huge edge, not a mild one. The only thing that match up has going for it is the fact that neither jets get hit by A2A missles.

I dont agree with ya, the J10 is superior for sure, but the F18 isn't all that bad, its not a slow piece of shit, it turns reasonably well, and best of all it dodges missiles just like the J10 does so even if it's not as good its still hard to shoot down a good pilot in either vehicle. The best way to take out the F18 is with the MGs which indeed the J10 has an edge on for faster turning, but then that is why I said it had a mild edge in the first place. It takes a lot longer to MG someone down then fire and forget an F35. Unless they are a tard flying straight at times...

I'm speaking from experience not out of my ass, so feel free to disagree but that is what I have seen while flying.

I don't think I've ever been gunned down while flying a fighter.