hsitz,. my bad US, the last karma was from me but i hit enter on accident, i was saying he'll eat anything you give him right? anyways, sorry.
They will do anything to make money. If they have money they do not care what country/state/island, ect they are on.
The people on welfare should get a damned job. Hell, maybe it's a Maryland, Pennsylvania, and South Carolina thing, but all the Walmarts I have been to have PRACTICALLY THE SAME PRICE AS ANY OTHER STORE. If those 2 cents extra are really that damaging to your wallet, I suggest you take a long look at your priorities.HURLEY wrote:
You 2 have fun stopping everyone, especially the people that are on wel-fare.Hurricane wrote:
This man speaks truth. If we all stopped buying from Wal-Mart and the like, they'd eventually cease to exist.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Here in America we are all assholes, and don't really care where we get the product only about the price.
If that Is really your dog then is the old adage about pets looking like their owner true?usmarine2007 wrote:
Fuck Yea!delta4bravo*nl* wrote:
your dog is ugly!usmarine2007 wrote:
My dog wants his cheap food...leave him alone.
http://www.users.bigpond.com/majowrr/fulpic/imluv.jpg
Edit: Damn you beat me too it.
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Just like me.HURLEY wrote:
hsitz,. my bad US, the last karma was from me but i hit enter on accident, i was saying he'll eat anything you give him right? anyways, sorry.
Exactly....Hurricane wrote:
The people on welfare should get a damned job. Hell, maybe it's a Maryland, Pennsylvania, and South Carolina thing, but all the Walmarts I have been to have PRACTICALLY THE SAME PRICE AS ANY OTHER STORE. If those 2 cents extra are really that damaging to your wallet, I suggest you take a long look at your priorities.HURLEY wrote:
You 2 have fun stopping everyone, especially the people that are on wel-fare.Hurricane wrote:
This man speaks truth. If we all stopped buying from Wal-Mart and the like, they'd eventually cease to exist.
Well...it is a British bulldog. So I think it speaks more about the Brits than me.crimson_grunt wrote:
If that Is really your dog then is the old adage about pets looking like their owner true?usmarine2007 wrote:
Fuck Yea!delta4bravo*nl* wrote:
your dog is ugly!
Edit: Damn you beat me too it.
What about the people working full time at wallmart who have to claim wellfare to survive? what should they do?Hurricane wrote:
The people on welfare should get a damned job.HURLEY wrote:
You 2 have fun stopping everyone, especially the people that are on wel-fare.Hurricane wrote:
This man speaks truth. If we all stopped buying from Wal-Mart and the like, they'd eventually cease to exist.
I dont really know, i think it depends on the item, if its something small, then ya its only gunna be a little bit....Hurricane wrote:
The people on welfare should get a damned job. Hell, maybe it's a Maryland, Pennsylvania, and South Carolina thing, but all the Walmarts I have been to have PRACTICALLY THE SAME PRICE AS ANY OTHER STORE. If those 2 cents extra are really that damaging to your wallet, I suggest you take a long look at your priorities.HURLEY wrote:
You 2 have fun stopping everyone, especially the people that are on wel-fare.Hurricane wrote:
This man speaks truth. If we all stopped buying from Wal-Mart and the like, they'd eventually cease to exist.
But the people on welfare, do you really expect them to have there priorites straight? i mean honestly... if they're there in that situation, they obviously aren't using there money very smart or there time that they wasted in school. Look at some of the black people on welfare (not saying white people dont but we all now black guys like nice shoes ) who go an buy 100$ shoes, WTF IF YOURE ON WELFARE GO TO VALUECITY OR WALMART FFS!
i personally hate wal-mart becuase the service they talk about is actually shit in real life, where i life its just a bunch of ignorant people that work there but I do like Sam's club
Just hoping I interpreted this correctly.crimson_grunt wrote:
What about the people working full time at wallmart who have to claim wellfare to survive? what should they do?
This would be another reason why Wal-Mart is sub par. A person working full-time there shouldn't have to depend on welfare! If they do, then there's two reasons:
1) They're paid way too little
2) They spend way too much
I think it's a mix of both reasons. I've never worked there so I wouldn't know the pay, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's low. The second option sounds more plausible; I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of workers have 2 or more kids and spend too much on things they don't need.
edit: For that latter group of people, they'd probably be better off as a worker for the federal government. Chances are you get some free decent medical benefits, a decent pay, and some security for your job. Sure the work might be just as lame, but at least you get better things out of it.
I agree Turqoise, different laws regarding work would be a start or a different option from the "abolishment" of walmart.
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Touche'.... I think the government needs to mandate certain benefits packages. Europe's labor laws are much more strict than ours, and in this respect, this is a good thing.crimson_grunt wrote:
What about the people working full time at wallmart who have to claim wellfare to survive? what should they do?Hurricane wrote:
The people on welfare should get a damned job.HURLEY wrote:
You 2 have fun stopping everyone, especially the people that are on wel-fare.
If Walmart was REQUIRED to pay people decently and give them decent healthcare plans, then these people wouldn't be so screwed.
Seriously check out the documentary turquoise mentioned it will shock you. It's actually number 1. At the time time the film was recorded walmart offered no health plan and most employees had to claim welfare to look after their children. It may have been changed now, i don't know.Hurricane wrote:
Just hoping I interpreted this correctly.crimson_grunt wrote:
What about the people working full time at wallmart who have to claim wellfare to survive? what should they do?
This would be another reason why Wal-Mart is sub par. A person working full-time there shouldn't have to depend on welfare! If they do, then there's two reasons:
1) They're paid way too little
2) They spend way too much
I think it's a mix of both reasons. I've never worked there so I wouldn't know the pay, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's low. The second option sounds more plausible; I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of workers have 2 or more kids and spend too much on things they don't need.
Crimson, read my edits please, they address some stuff you pointed out I'll try and catch that doc at some point. As I said, a Federal job would have much more benefits.
Hahaaha..i have lived in india for 14 years..and trust me..Wal-Mart will go bankrupt before they could put everyone outta business..OK..here the thing..in india people buy groceries from huge markets wit like like a 1000 people selling at once diff vegetables and stuff. Now these people set up this market about twice a week in like huge field. Now wal-Mart cannot beat all of these people..think about it..these people would have the cheapest prices..and the only way Wal Mart could beat them is by going into a loss..which they might do like Safeway did in Canada...but in the end safeway caputered the entire market by putting others outta business.
Another thing..if WalMart wants to sell clothes in India..haha..i dunno how they are gonna do that..India has the cheapest labour..so yah the can buy stuff from the developing countries and sell to the US and Canada..but how can the compete wit the prices of a developing nation like India..sounds crazy to me..unlike Canada and Us where everything is made in china..in india..everything is made in india..so its really hard to compete
Another thing..if WalMart wants to sell clothes in India..haha..i dunno how they are gonna do that..India has the cheapest labour..so yah the can buy stuff from the developing countries and sell to the US and Canada..but how can the compete wit the prices of a developing nation like India..sounds crazy to me..unlike Canada and Us where everything is made in china..in india..everything is made in india..so its really hard to compete
But it isn't just the governement help. It is a lot easier to make more money when you only have to pay manufacturers when their stuff is actually sold from your store.Turquoise wrote:
Well another thing that contributes to why large companies can provide something for less is because they cheat.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
It isn't the companies that are in control, it is ultimately the people, the consumer. The large corporations may have some advantages from the government, but the fact is even without those they can plain flat give the consumer a lower price for a product, and then the market decides whether the corporation or the small company wins.Turquoise wrote:
....and you want that? It can be stopped, you know. Most of Europe actively aids its small businesses, and so should we.
Entreprenuership is a healthy thing -- oligopoly and monopoly are only privatized versions of Communism. Instead of giving control to the state, it goes to companies -- who are not subject to elections.
Brave New World will be the future of America if we don't stand up for ourselves.
In Europe there is a greater feeling of supporting the small business, but from the consumers. Here in America we are all assholes, and don't really care where we get the product only about the price.
They can leverage tax breaks out of the government that small businesses can't. They mention things like the number of jobs they provide, but the politicians overlook the repercussions of such actions. America would be more prosperous if more people ran their own businesses.
So, it's not really the market determining trade if the corporations involved get a leg up over their competition through the policies of greedy politicians.
What we're witnessing is not really capitalism so much as it is plutocracy.
Unlike US and Canada India is a country where the consumer is protected..so in the end the government policies will seriously affect wal Mart.. and plus india has soo many small businesses that it almost impossible to buy them all out.
Sure, big business has many advantages, but the level of advantages it is provided by government (and by the tax money of the people they put out of business) is pretty fucking appalling.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
But it isn't just the governement help. It is a lot easier to make more money when you only have to pay manufacturers when their stuff is actually sold from your store.Turquoise wrote:
Well another thing that contributes to why large companies can provide something for less is because they cheat.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
It isn't the companies that are in control, it is ultimately the people, the consumer. The large corporations may have some advantages from the government, but the fact is even without those they can plain flat give the consumer a lower price for a product, and then the market decides whether the corporation or the small company wins.
In Europe there is a greater feeling of supporting the small business, but from the consumers. Here in America we are all assholes, and don't really care where we get the product only about the price.
They can leverage tax breaks out of the government that small businesses can't. They mention things like the number of jobs they provide, but the politicians overlook the repercussions of such actions. America would be more prosperous if more people ran their own businesses.
So, it's not really the market determining trade if the corporations involved get a leg up over their competition through the policies of greedy politicians.
What we're witnessing is not really capitalism so much as it is plutocracy.
Just think about that... If you were a small business owner, you'd be literally paying into a system that is actively helping to end your own business. They're pushing you out with your own money. That's just sick....
Yep, and they're damn good about it. I didn't say I loved it, but in America it is inevitable, it is just the kind of sneaky underhanded shit we love.Turquoise wrote:
Sure, big business has many advantages, but the level of advantages it is provided by government (and by the tax money of the people they put out of business) is pretty fucking appalling.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
But it isn't just the governement help. It is a lot easier to make more money when you only have to pay manufacturers when their stuff is actually sold from your store.Turquoise wrote:
Well another thing that contributes to why large companies can provide something for less is because they cheat.
They can leverage tax breaks out of the government that small businesses can't. They mention things like the number of jobs they provide, but the politicians overlook the repercussions of such actions. America would be more prosperous if more people ran their own businesses.
So, it's not really the market determining trade if the corporations involved get a leg up over their competition through the policies of greedy politicians.
What we're witnessing is not really capitalism so much as it is plutocracy.
Just think about that... If you were a small business owner, you'd be literally paying into a system that is actively helping to end your own business. They're pushing you out with your own money. That's just sick....
Well, as I said, the fight isn't over. We can change things in this respect, but it will require us to take a closer look at each politician's policies. The issue is so muddled that party lines can't be relied upon to take note of it. There are corporate lackeys among both the Republicans and the Democrats, but there are also champions of the individual and small business among each as well. We need to start supporting the latter group more and to stop thinking in terms of party.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Yep, and they're damn good about it. I didn't say I loved it, but in America it is inevitable, it is just the kind of sneaky underhanded shit we love.Turquoise wrote:
Sure, big business has many advantages, but the level of advantages it is provided by government (and by the tax money of the people they put out of business) is pretty fucking appalling.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
But it isn't just the governement help. It is a lot easier to make more money when you only have to pay manufacturers when their stuff is actually sold from your store.
Just think about that... If you were a small business owner, you'd be literally paying into a system that is actively helping to end your own business. They're pushing you out with your own money. That's just sick....
So misinformed it is insane.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Besides their suspect labor practices, poor wages, and lack of insurace coverage for workers?
Malloy must go
...As opposed to a side of "demoncracy" with my capitalism?Flaming_Maniac wrote:
mmmm yes capitalism can do that. Would you prefer a side of dictatorship along with your communism?Turquoise wrote:
Destroyed small family businesses through government collusion via massive tax breaks.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Wait...what did Wal-Mart do to the US again? Remind me.
Watch "The High Cost of Low Prices" for the tip of the iceberg.
And the kind of thing Americans have been "made" to accept....Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Yep, and they're damn good about it. I didn't say I loved it, but in America it is inevitable, it is just the kind of sneaky underhanded shit we love.Turquoise wrote:
Sure, big business has many advantages, but the level of advantages it is provided by government (and by the tax money of the people they put out of business) is pretty fucking appalling.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
But it isn't just the governement help. It is a lot easier to make more money when you only have to pay manufacturers when their stuff is actually sold from your store.
Just think about that... If you were a small business owner, you'd be literally paying into a system that is actively helping to end your own business. They're pushing you out with your own money. That's just sick....