sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7185|Argentina
I have two favorite Military Leaders.

Alexander The Great:
(July 356 BC–June 11, 323 BC) Before his death, he conquered most of the world known to the ancient Greeks, never losing a battle.  Following the unification of the multiple city-states of ancient Greece under the rule of his father,  Alexander conquered the Persian Empire, including Anatolia, Syria, Phoenicia, Judea, Gaza, Egypt, Bactria and Mesopotamia and extended the boundaries of his own empire as far as the Punjab. Before his death, Alexander had already made plans to also turn west and conquer Europe. He also wanted to continue his march eastwards in order to find the end of the world, since his boyhood tutor Aristotle told him tales about where the land ends and the Great Outer Sea begins.  His conquests ushered in centuries of Greek settlement and rule over distant areas, a period known as the Hellenistic Age, a combination of Greek and Middle Eastern culture.

Genghis Khan:
(1162–August 18, 1227) was a Mongol political and military leader or Khan who united the Mongol tribes and founded the Mongol Empire (1206 – 1368), the largest contiguous empire in world history. Born to the name Temüjin in the Borjigin clan, he forged a powerful army based on meritocracy to become one of the most successful military leaders in history.
Temüjin eliminated and united many of the nomadic tribes of north East Asia and Central Asia under a social identity as the "Mongols."
After creating the Mongol nation, Genghis Khan set out on conquests and defeated the Jin Dynasty. He learned much from the Chinese including siege warfare. He also used diplomacy. However, in the case of the Khwarezmid Empire, diplomacy failed, and he resolved the situation with warfare.
Through these means, Genghis Khan created one of the most powerful empires in history. Starting with the invasion of Western Xia and Jin Dynasty in northern China and consolidating through numerous conquests including the Khwarezmid Empire in Persia, Mongol rule across the Eurasian landmass radically altered the demography and geopolitics of these areas. The Mongol Empire ended up ruling, or at least briefly conquering, large parts of modern day China, Mongolia, Russia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Moldova, South Korea, North Korea, and Kuwait.

Which is/are yours?
madmurre
I suspect something is amiss
+117|7138|Sweden
Hannibal he sure did upset the romans ( could very well have won too )
One more recently though i would say Patton that man was hard as iron.
R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6914|Melbourne

Sun Tzu, The original best, check out his book "The Art of War"
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
LostFate
Same shit, Different Arsehole
+95|6913|England
winston churchill
paranoid101
Ambitious but Rubbish
+540|7167
Duke of Wellington Arthur Wellesley
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6920|Connecticut
"Of all those in the army close to the commander none is more intimate than the secret agent; of all rewards none more liberal than those given to secret agents; of all matters none is more confidential than those relating to secret operations."

SUN TZU
Malloy must go
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6983
Ernesto 'Che' Guevara

https://www.antorcha.org/foto/che-5.jpg

He quite literally wrote the book on guerrilla warfare. Intelligent, selfless, disciplinarian, tactical genius, the master of the few versus the many. The pinnacle of his achievements: victory at the battle of Santa Clara, Cuba, which turned the tide of the Cuban civil war in favour of the rebels.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-02-21 05:43:53)

Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7194|UK
Sun Tzu did write the art of war, a compilation of his and his generals thoughts. However having read that its very unimpressive, it just states the fucking obvious. eg If you cant think to exploit supply lines yourself you deserve to lose.

I would say the best is probably Darius I or Alexander the Great. Then there is modern day ones like Rommel, Monty, Patton, all good generals.

Tbh i cant answer the question unless an era is given.
usmarine2007
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Stormin Norman
Varegg
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Vilham wrote:

Sun Tzu did write the art of war, a compilation of his and his generals thoughts. However having read that its very unimpressive, it just states the fucking obvious. eg If you cant think to exploit supply lines yourself you deserve to lose.

I would say the best is probably Darius I or Alexander the Great. Then there is modern day ones like Rommel, Monty, Patton, all good generals.

Tbh i cant answer the question unless an era is given.
What`s obvious for us today might not have been equally obvious at the time .....

ATG and G Khan are very good candidates, Napoleon had some good rounds before he snapped, some German WW2 generals where brilliant - Rommel and Guderian amongst others, Grant and Lee from the civil war, and there is a Syrian miilitary leader way i cant recall the name of that was way ahead of time ......

To pick the one that did most for his era, more than anyone else in their era is difficult ....
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
silo1180
The Farewell Tour
+79|6850|San Antonio, TX
Oda Nobunaga - United the Warlords creating what is now Japan.  But he did it through any means possible.  He used force when needed, but he mostly worked with local governments to arrange marriages to unite families, making provinces less likely to resist when he brought his forces in to convice the Warlord to cooperate. 

What made him so effective though was he was one of the first military leaders who had studied the Art of War and was able to implement it.  This all during a time when guns were first being introduced to Japan, and the nation was beginning to advance technologically.  In fact, the first gun was sold to Japan by Portugese traders.  A rival Warlord stole the weapon from the person that purchased it.  Nobunaga stole the blacksmith (for lack of a better term) who had been taking the gun apart and putting it back together to learn how it worked.  By taking the man instead of the gun, they were able to produce more guns before the rivals even understood the weapon.

He eventually had his army surround Kyoto (the capital then) and at his "request" the Emporer walked out of the capital.  He massed a huge army consisting of warriors from the provinces, so in the end no force dared rise up against him.

He did all this, then handed the country over to the person the citizens felt was the rightful Emporer.
zeidmaan
Member
+234|6842|Vienna

My vote goues to Atif Dudakovic, a general in the Bosnian Army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atif_Dudakovic

wiki is pretty poor but you can try googling him.
Gillenator
Evils Bammed Sex Machine
+129|6822|Evilsville

silo1180 wrote:

Oda Nobunaga - United the Warlords creating what is now Japan.  But he did it through any means possible.  He used force when needed, but he mostly worked with local governments to arrange marriages to unite families, making provinces less likely to resist when he brought his forces in to convice the Warlord to cooperate. 

What made him so effective though was he was one of the first military leaders who had studied the Art of War and was able to implement it.  This all during a time when guns were first being introduced to Japan, and the nation was beginning to advance technologically.  In fact, the first gun was sold to Japan by Portugese traders.  A rival Warlord stole the weapon from the person that purchased it.  Nobunaga stole the blacksmith (for lack of a better term) who had been taking the gun apart and putting it back together to learn how it worked.  By taking the man instead of the gun, they were able to produce more guns before the rivals even understood the weapon.

He eventually had his army surround Kyoto (the capital then) and at his "request" the Emporer walked out of the capital.  He massed a huge army consisting of warriors from the provinces, so in the end no force dared rise up against him.

He did all this, then handed the country over to the person the citizens felt was the rightful Emporer.
I would choose Toyotomi Hideyoshi over Oda Nobunaga.
He started as the sandal bearer of Oda Nobunaga and ended as the unifier of Japan after Oda Nobunaga was killed in 1582 by Akechi Mitsuhide.
bullit
Tank Troll
+71|7117|London, UK
Nuno Álvares Pereira

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuno_%C3%81lvares_Pereira

Born July 24, 1360. Supreme commander of Portugal’s armies and Count of Ourém. He was only 23 years old.

Last edited by bullit (2007-02-21 06:22:21)

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6873|The Land of Scott Walker
George Washington - American Revolutionary War
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7185|Argentina
Is the Vette in your sig yours?
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6873|The Land of Scott Walker
Oh, I wish. Sweet ride, huh.  The rims are awesome.  I found that on the net and it fit in the sig format.  As the father of two young children I don't have the money right now.  I've promised myself I'll have one at least by the time I reach age 40.  That give me 13 years so I think it's a realistic goal.  I'd like a 60s Stingray with a 427 V-8 along with a newer Vette the one in the sig or a new Z06 Vette.  *drool*
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7009|SE London

Henry V. Agincourt, great bit of Frog bashing.

Hannibal, Caesar, Monty, Leonidas (Battle of Thermopylae).
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7185|Argentina

Stingray24 wrote:

Oh, I wish. Sweet ride, huh.  The rims are awesome.  I found that on the net and it fit in the sig format.  As the father of two young children I don't have the money right now.  I've promised myself I'll have one at least by the time I reach age 40.  That give me 13 years so I think it's a realistic goal.  I'd like a 60s Stingray with a 427 V-8 along with a newer Vette the one in the sig or a new Z06 Vette.  *drool*
Me likes Z06 very mucho.

But 70 grand is a lot of money.
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6977|UK

MAXIMUS!  ooo wait no, how about wiliam walace

Martyn

Last edited by Bell (2007-02-21 08:02:50)

KillerKane0
Member
+53|7072|Calgary, Alberta
I have 2:

William Tecumseh Sherman, the man who made Georgia Howl.

Bill Slim, tied with George S. Patton as the greatest Allied general of WWII.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7074
I don't see how you anti war people can admire people who are only remembered for their acts in war. Especially people like ATG who simply attacked people soley for conquest and personal glory. You know who else did that, Hitler.
bullit
Tank Troll
+71|7117|London, UK
oh yeh from wot i studied on the american civil war Robert E. Lee > all.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7009|SE London

KillerKane0 wrote:

I have 2:

William Tecumseh Sherman, the man who made Georgia Howl.

Bill Slim, tied with George S. Patton as the greatest Allied general of WWII.
Bah, Montgomery and Rommel were the best generals of WWII and Monty was better than Rommel.
hurricane2oo5
Do One Ya Mug !!!
+176|7192|mansfield
mr bean

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