gun.KingRat
Member
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I am constantly annoyed by folks misusing the term NeoConservative and Nazi.

  "NeoCons" are liberals and socialists who became disallusioned with the left. Although they came to hold some right wing values, they are still far left of mainstream conservatives.

"Right Wing Nazi" is a misnomer. The Nazi party was left wing. They were socialists. Although no leftists today claim to know this, it was hardly a secret. The name of the party was "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" or National Socialist German Workers Party.

This is similiar to conservatives calling socialists "liberals", of which I am also guilty. Leftist socialists are the least tolerant people on earth and are nothing like the actual definition of liberalism. However, this is a term they coopted for themselves to avoid the term socialist. It is deeply entrenched in our society, and is hard to avoid using.

Therefore, I propose a swap. If you will take back NeoCon and Nazi, we will take back Liberal; which when applied in the classical sense, much more aptly describes the Republicans. As a side note, we would also like to have the rainbow back please. ( The rainbow, which is the sign of God's covenant with man, has been coopted as the symbol of degenerate homosexuals).

Thank you.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6920|Connecticut
Um.....I am all set with the rainbow, you can keep it.
Malloy must go
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6988
I swear to god, if these idiots keep on posting about this my brain will explode.

Can someone else try talking some sense into him?
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6920|Connecticut

Bubbalo wrote:

I swear to god, if these idiots keep on posting about this my brain will explode.

Can someone else try talking some sense into him?
Who me? I thought I caused a brain explosion last October, why the honorable mention now?
Malloy must go
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7184|Argentina
What a bunch of BS.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
No thanks.
gun.KingRat
Member
+12|7117

sergeriver wrote:

What a bunch of BS.
Let me guess, you believe that the earth is flat and that the moon is made of cheese. Good for you, don't let any pesky facts get in your way. Everything I stated is 100% documented fact. Two minutes on Google can easily prove this.

However, if you are too lazy to do any research or look into anything for yourself, maybe you should refrain from posting. I have no problem with someone having a different OPINION on a debatable topic, but flatly denying common facts just makes you look, well, dumb.
Janysc
Member
+59|7110|Norway
Leftist socialists are the least tolerant people on earth...
Then what a coincidence that all socialists I know embrace all people and cultures, while all far right-wing people I know hack down verbally on all homosexuals, Muslims, etc whenever they can.

Either way, as long as people know what language to speak, why worry about the words they use?
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|7073|Peoria
Actually, rainbows are the creation of light refracted through rain drops falling from the sky...Not God.
Janysc
Member
+59|7110|Norway

Elamdri wrote:

Actually, rainbows are the creation of light refracted through rain drops falling from the sky...Not God.
I think he meant its use as a symbol.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7184|Argentina

gun.KingRat wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

What a bunch of BS.
Let me guess, you believe that the earth is flat and that the moon is made of cheese. Good for you, don't let any pesky facts get in your way. Everything I stated is 100% documented fact. Two minutes on Google can easily prove this.

However, if you are too lazy to do any research or look into anything for yourself, maybe you should refrain from posting. I have no problem with someone having a different OPINION on a debatable topic, but flatly denying common facts just makes you look, well, dumb.
I do not need to google anything, I know about history.  You want an opinion or debate on this?  All I can say is what a bunch of BS.  Do your research, you are wrong.  And remember extreme right and left are similar.
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|7073|Peoria

Janysc wrote:

Elamdri wrote:

Actually, rainbows are the creation of light refracted through rain drops falling from the sky...Not God.
I think he meant its use as a symbol.
Oh, that I don't mind, but don't attribute natural phenomenon to God.


Personally, if they wanna share the rainbow, go ahead.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7169|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
By Nazi they really mean Fascist
Smitty5613
Member
+46|6953|Middle of nowhere, California
I want the ol' "skittles.... taste the rainbow" saying back.... but now it makes skittles gay so they dont use it....
gun.KingRat
Member
+12|7117
Not sure how you can say that socialists and Nazis ideology were opposed to each other. As I stated in the beginning, they were the NATIONAL SOCIALISTS GERMAN WORKERS PARTY. Just because they fought against the communists means nothing. It was two branches of socialism fighting each other.

Liberals are notoriously intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them. Look at the most liberal areas of American society today, college campuses. If anyone speaks out in favor of conservative values, they are shouted at, assaulted, student newspapers are stolen and offices vandalized, speakers are turned away, or if allowed to speak  are assaulted during their speeches. The liberals will not allow any type of open discussion because they cannot hold or win an honest debate of ideas.

As far as the rainbow is concerned, God created the actual rainbow as a sign of the covenant with man that he wouldn't flood the earth again.  This should come as no surprise, since God created everything in the universe. The rainbow symbol was taken by the homosexuals.

Genesis, 8 - 11

  11And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

12And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

13I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

14And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:

15And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

16And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

17And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.
HunterOfSkulls
Rated EC-10
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gun.KingRat wrote:

Not sure how you can say that socialists and Nazis ideology were opposed to each other. As I stated in the beginning, they were the NATIONAL SOCIALISTS GERMAN WORKERS PARTY. Just because they fought against the communists means nothing. It was two branches of socialism fighting each other.
Actually it was two authoritarian ideologies fighting each other. Hitler's party used populist rhetoric to cement the support of the "average" German, hence the name "National Socialist German Workers' Party". Hitler really did see this as a contest between himself and leftist socialists for control of Germany. I might buy your point if Hitler had started out a Communist and then broke with it, creating an internal schism in Germany's Communists, but no such thing happened. Nazi ideology was created in direct opposition to Communism/Socialism, not out of some disagreement between Communists/Socialists over doctrine.

One of the defining characteristics of a Socialist nation is the collective ownership of means of production, yet in Nazi Germany the major industrialists still owned their businesses and still directly profitted from them. In many cases, especially for factories producing war materiel, the Nazis provided them with slave labor. Socialism != Fascism, no matter how much you might hate Socialism. This is a lame and dishonest attempt to re-write history, it's not working and the reasons for it are painfully transparent. Hitler's Germany saw the mass incarceration of people deemed to be "enemies of the State"; Jews, Communists, trade unionists, homosexuals, political dissenters, et cetera. It saw the creation of State offices to criminalize homosexuality and abortion, and gun laws that restricted ownership of firearms to those who were "good" citizens. Instead of enabling this crap, maybe you should ask yourself why those above you in this country are pushing so hard to give the Nazis political plastic surgery.

gun.KingRat wrote:

Liberals are notoriously intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them. Look at the most liberal areas of American society today, college campuses. If anyone speaks out in favor of conservative values, they are shouted at, assaulted, student newspapers are stolen and offices vandalized, speakers are turned away, or if allowed to speak  are assaulted during their speeches. The liberals will not allow any type of open discussion because they cannot hold or win an honest debate of ideas.
Ah yes, the "Why won't you tolerate me, you dope-smoking, welfare-collecting, terrorist-loving pinko commie fag" card. I was wondering how long it would be before we got to it. Here's a hint. Pies are not assault, they're slapstick. Says a lot about someone when instead of laughing it off, they start pressing charges and screaming "But what if there was ANTHRAX in that pie?!? What if it was a BOMB disguised as a pie? What if someone notices that for all my tough talk, I've got my panties in a knot about a PIE?" Also, having someone get up on the stage while you're speaking is not assault. Gilchrist and the Minutemen need to STFU and quit calling themselves defenders of anything if they consider a bunch of college students unfurling a banner as a serious threat of physical harm.

Now let's see. Newspapers stolen, offices vandalized, well you cherry-picked a few random and honestly uncreative incidents. Any idiot can do that shit, they need to be more imaginative since this is honestly just flat-out lazy. But, you're making is sound like the nation is awash in empty newspaper boxes and trashed offices when this is really little more than a few fraternity-style pranks.

Speakers are turned away from campuses when the college staff determines that having those speakers there isn't as valuable to them as NOT having those speakers there, or if they're just flat out not wanted. Ye gods man, you're not demanding that colleges host conservative speakers whether they want to or not, are you? I hope not, that would sound like you were demanding special rights or something.

Plainly put, any liberal worth their salt CAN hold their own in an honest debate of ideas, but starting off with "all you liberals are traitors who enable terrorists and should be shot or at the very least jailed for the good of the nation" doesn't really inspire anyone to believe that an honest debate of ideas is in the offing. What I see here is a lot of whining about how nobody likes you, but it doesn't matter because they're all ugly stupid doody-heads anyway.

gun.KingRat wrote:

As far as the rainbow is concerned, God created the actual rainbow as a sign of the covenant with man that he wouldn't flood the earth again.  This should come as no surprise, since God created everything in the universe. The rainbow symbol was taken by the homosexuals.
Yes, the heartwarming story of an all-knowing, omnipotent and inerrant deity who one day decides in fit of anger to kill most of the life he created on Earth and then says to the few survivors "I am SO sorry, I will never do that again, baby why you always gotta make me hit you". How anyone could not be moved by that is beyond me; as a matter of fact, I can feel my lunch moving right now. Anyway, tell you what, when you get God down here to show me the copyright on rainbows, I'll tell my homosexual friends to stop using it as a symbol. Until then, I like the idea of diverse people unified a lot more than "Hey, remember that time I flooded the Earth and killed almost everyone and destroyed almost everything you ever knew because I decided some people weren't being obedient enough to me? Wasn't that a pisser?".
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

gun.KingRat wrote:

I am constantly annoyed by folks misusing the term NeoConservative and Nazi.

  "NeoCons" are liberals and socialists who became disallusioned with the left. Although they came to hold some right wing values, they are still far left of mainstream conservatives.

"Right Wing Nazi" is a misnomer. The Nazi party was left wing. They were socialists. Although no leftists today claim to know this, it was hardly a secret. The name of the party was "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" or National Socialist German Workers Party.

This is similiar to conservatives calling socialists "liberals", of which I am also guilty. Leftist socialists are the least tolerant people on earth and are nothing like the actual definition of liberalism. However, this is a term they coopted for themselves to avoid the term socialist. It is deeply entrenched in our society, and is hard to avoid using.

Therefore, I propose a swap. If you will take back NeoCon and Nazi, we will take back Liberal; which when applied in the classical sense, much more aptly describes the Republicans. As a side note, we would also like to have the rainbow back please. ( The rainbow, which is the sign of God's covenant with man, has been coopted as the symbol of degenerate homosexuals).

Thank you.
Nazies might have been Socialist, but they were conservative socially.  Anti-semitism is not a liberal social value, much less "anti-everyone that disagrees with me."

Basically, Nazies were big government Fascists in the Orwellian sense.  Yet, we have a much milder version of them in the big government tendencies of both Republicans and Democrats.

Leftist socialists might strike you as intolerant, but plutocratic evangelical Christians and militant Islamists aren't any better.

Essentially, the world would be a better place if more people had a civil libertarian streak to them, where people would just mind their own fucking business.  In addition to this, the only intervention that the government really needs to do is to enforce laws and keep corporations off our backs.  I don't know what party you'd call that or if it's right or left wing, but it sure as hell is common sense.
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|7183|United States of America
Everyone is full of BS.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6988

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

I swear to god, if these idiots keep on posting about this my brain will explode.

Can someone else try talking some sense into him?
Who me? I thought I caused a brain explosion last October, why the honorable mention now?
No, OP.

The only way for you to ever cause permanent damage to my brain is too be too reasonable.  I may disagree with everything you say, but I respect your reasoning.
gun.KingRat
Member
+12|7117
Thank you for your responses so far. Although I have my disagreements, most have been well thought out and well put.

Hunter of Skulls - Point 1 - http://russp.org/nazis.html  , that link answers it ( saves space here )
   
                           Point 2 - Throwing anything at someones face IS assault. If Hillary Clinton was speaking at a college and a republican student charged the stage and attacked her, the media would go insane. This is a pattern when conservatives speak. It is done in an attempt to deter conservative speakers from coming to speak where they are INVITED by college republicans. How is it more valuable to a college to NOT have someone come to speak? Colleges are supposed to be about the free exchange of ideas, not the one sided rule of liberal ideology that is present today on most campuses. In fact, liberals cannot seem to hold an open debate, which is why you get the constant shouting down of conservatives by liberals. "Bush lied, people died" "Hey hey, ho ho, western civ has go to go" etc etc. These catch phrases are mindlessly shouted over and over until the conservative speakers leaves.

The vandalism and criminal damage done to various conservative groups is hardly an isolated incident I cherry picked. It happens frequently, and only continues because the college staff and college police depts are staffed with liberals who allow it to continue. If a homosexual newspaper, or speaker was vandalised or attacked by Christians, the Christians would be in jail that day.

                            Point 3 - Hell is real, and you are still going there. I'll pray for you. http://www.livingwaters.com/start.shtml    For your sake, please check out that link.


  Turquoise - I would disagree that evangelical Christians are in the same boat as leftist socialists and muslims.  Leftists will not stop till everyone accepts and lives by their definition of what is right. They are not content to be left alone to be homosexual, they will not stop till everyone is forced to accept that they are right. There is a big difference. Christians will not accept an immoral lifestyle, but attempt to change this by persuasion. Liberals try to change things by force ( i.e. activist judges, court system, or physical force if left unchecked in power - Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, Cambodia, N. Korea etc.).
chittydog
less busy
+586|7262|Kubra, Damn it!

HunterOfSkulls wrote:

I am SO sorry, I will never do that again, baby why you always gotta make me hit you
I think I love you... +1 for delivering excellent points with a sense of humor. Unfortunately, it's all wasted on this rat guy. You're operating on a totally different plane than he.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7102|Canberra, AUS

gun.KingRat wrote:

Not sure how you can say that socialists and Nazis ideology were opposed to each other. As I stated in the beginning, they were the NATIONAL SOCIALISTS GERMAN WORKERS PARTY. Just because they fought against the communists means nothing. It was two branches of socialism fighting each other.

Liberals are notoriously intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them. Look at the most liberal areas of American society today, college campuses. If anyone speaks out in favor of conservative values, they are shouted at, assaulted, student newspapers are stolen and offices vandalized, speakers are turned away, or if allowed to speak  are assaulted during their speeches. The liberals will not allow any type of open discussion because they cannot hold or win an honest debate of ideas.

As far as the rainbow is concerned, God created the actual rainbow as a sign of the covenant with man that he wouldn't flood the earth again.  This should come as no surprise, since God created everything in the universe. The rainbow symbol was taken by the homosexuals.

Genesis, 8 - 11

  11And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

12And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

13I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

14And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:

15And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

16And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

17And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.
What the fuck does religion have to do with this? Yeesh... we seem to ahve a few very misguided people coming in recently. Anyway, haven't you ever created one in Grade 9 science? It's the easiest thing one can do with a piece of perspex.

Liberals are notoriously intolerant of anyone who disagrees with them. Look at the most liberal areas of American society today, college campuses. If anyone speaks out in favor of conservative values, they are shouted at, assaulted, student newspapers are stolen and offices vandalized, speakers are turned away, or if allowed to speak  are assaulted during their speeches. The liberals will not allow any type of open discussion because they cannot hold or win an honest debate of ideas.
Which is why many liberals are being criticized for being TOO open minded and TOO tolerant. Goddamn, why am I even arguing with this guy?

A friend of mine has a saying: Never argue with idiots, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
HunterOfSkulls
Rated EC-10
+246|6706

gun.KingRat wrote:

Thank you for your responses so far. Although I have my disagreements, most have been well thought out and well put.

Hunter of Skulls - Point 1 - http://russp.org/nazis.html  , that link answers it ( saves space here )
ROFL, personal site of someone with an obvious axe to grind against liberals that quotes from one book on the subject. Hint, next time find someone who's not so vitriolic about leftists so it at least resembles an unbiased source. If this is your idea of honest debate, I can see how the rest of this thread is going to go.

gun.KingRat wrote:

Point 2 - Throwing anything at someones face IS assault. If Hillary Clinton was speaking at a college and a republican student charged the stage and attacked her, the media would go insane. This is a pattern when conservatives speak.
Perhaps if college republicans didn't invite people who do things like encouraging audience members to physically assault hecklers (Ann Coulter) or spew recycled white supremacist talking points (Gilchrist), it wouldn't happen. Sure, they have the right to speak. So do other people who may not necessarily agree with them. If someone's willing to do some time or pay a fine for pieing a harridan like Coulter, more power to 'em.

gun.KingRat wrote:

Colleges are supposed to be about the free exchange of ideas, not the one sided rule of liberal ideology that is present today on most campuses. In fact, liberals cannot seem to hold an open debate, which is why you get the constant shouting down of conservatives by liberals. "Bush lied, people died" "Hey hey, ho ho, western civ has go to go" etc etc. These catch phrases are mindlessly shouted over and over until the conservative speakers leaves.
Please, when was the last time a conservative pundit had an open debate with anyone who did more than either quietly submit to a verbal beating or just kiss their ass? What you want, for people of opposing views to be silent, just isn't going to happen. The speakers college republicans invite piss people off. Many of them make a living at pissing people off. Naturally they're going to attract pissed-off people. Get used to it or at least be gracious enough to stop whining about it.

gun.KingRat wrote:

The vandalism and criminal damage done to various conservative groups is hardly an isolated incident I cherry picked. It happens frequently, and only continues because the college staff and college police depts are staffed with liberals who allow it to continue. If a homosexual newspaper, or speaker was vandalised or attacked by Christians, the Christians would be in jail that day.
Wow. College police departments full of liberals. Not even sure how to address this, since it's so far outside reality it's not even funny.

gun.KingRat wrote:

Point 3 - Hell is real, and you are still going there. I'll pray for you. http://www.livingwaters.com/start.shtml    For your sake, please check out that link.
I think you're confusing "pray for" with "pray at". I really do appreciate being in the thoughts of some sanctimonius god-botherer who knows altogether jack and shit about me. Let me clue you in on something, chief. IF your god exists and IF I find myself before him when I die and he looks over the good and ill I've done in my life and decides to consign me to eternal damnation because I didn't get the name of deity right, then I'll know I was right. I'll know that your god is not an omniscient being of infinite love and compassion but rather a human being writ large, with every failing of humanity from jealousy to greed to anger magnified within it. Anything that would consign someone to everlasting torment regardless of the good they did in life for no better reason than not using a specific name for divinity is nothing worth worshipping.

Shorter: It's your hell, you burn in it.

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