san4
The Mas
+311|6993|NYC, a place to live
Ha ha, trick question. The US has no allies anymore.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

san4 wrote:

Ha ha, trick question. The US has no allies anymore.
If we keep invading countries, we surely won't.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6672|Columbus, Ohio

san4 wrote:

Ha ha, trick question. The US has no allies anymore.
Yep.  Cops are asshole dickwads until you need them right?
sfarrar33
Halogenoalkane
+57|6923|InGerLand

usmarine2007 wrote:

san4 wrote:

Ha ha, trick question. The US has no allies anymore.
Yep.  Cops are asshole dickwads until you need them right?
nope they are quite nice people on the whole when i don't need them
they are never around or are generally incompetent when i do need them

and deary me what country can i apply that to...i really can't think of a country that i can compare that too...8-)
(before anyone at all mentions a world war with any form of number i say Falklands as a 'pre-emptive strike' against such arguments)
_j5689_
Dreads & Bergers
+364|7022|Riva, MD
This is just like how the U.K. won't tell us what the Challenger 2 armor is made of.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6672|Columbus, Ohio

sfarrar33 wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

san4 wrote:

Ha ha, trick question. The US has no allies anymore.
Yep.  Cops are asshole dickwads until you need them right?
nope they are quite nice people on the whole when i don't need them
they are never around or are generally incompetent when i do need them

and deary me what country can i apply that to...i really can't think of a country that i can compare that too...8-)
(before anyone at all mentions a world war with any form of number i say Falklands as a 'pre-emptive strike' against such arguments)
What are you like 15?  What the hell are you talking about?
BVC
Member
+325|7000
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but Malaysia is reasonably friendly with Australia and has fought Indonesia in the past...Malaysian Emergency?  Five power defence agreement?  You know, that thing how if Malaysia or Singpore were attacked they'd get help from each other, and the UK, NZ and Australia?  That sort of thing builds up a lot of goodwill, and I doubt Malaysia would attack Australia...

That said, Australia gives the US a base...sends its troops over to Iraq/Afghanistan, heres Australia on the doorstep of the worlds mosts populous Muslim nation, an ally of Iran (the US's arch-enemy) and the US is saying no?  And they were originally going to sell a cut-down F-35?

Some US allies have turned their backs on the US, yes, but Australia isn't exactly Iran...how much do you think the US and Australia have in common?

Last edited by Pubic (2007-02-18 20:49:58)

Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|6952|Peoria
Well, to illustrate the purposes of ally non-permanence, Iran was at one point a US ally.
RavyGravy
Son.
+617|6710|NSW, Australia

UGADawgs wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

Todays ally is tomorrows enemy. Were not gonna sell off the most advanced aircraft in human history right away, the first if any country to buy it will be the UK.
Last time we sold an advanced piece of equipment (the F-14), we sold it to the supposedly stable Iranian Empire. Even allies can't be trusted with the absolute best.
what about us? as if we would attack you, we have like 70 000 people in our army, we may be aussie but were not stupid.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,060|7077|PNW

Consider that the governments of Australia and the United States have probably already made an arrangement in regards to the F-22, and just aren't sharing it with the press...which is the planet's most effective propaganda machine.
BVC
Member
+325|7000
We'd still be happy US allies if the US would respect our anti-nuclear laws...

Last edited by Pubic (2007-02-18 21:52:34)

Smitty5613
Member
+46|6832|Middle of nowhere, California

Kmarion wrote:

Immobile Sniper wrote:

> I saw on Modern Marvels a segment about the Raptor. In simulations,even with of a handicap of an inexperienced pilot against a superior one,even the vaunted F-15,the best pure dogfighter ever built,has NO CHANCE against a Raptor. They've simulated it every way they can think of,and the F-15 loses every time. The funny thing is,in real-world air combat,nothing has ever come close to the F-15. It has a record of 99-0 in documented dogfights. Even with odds of 4-1,we've never lost an American piloted F-15 due to air-to-air fire. Why do you think the MiG's and Su's look so much like the F-15? It's been well-documented that Russia was notorious for stealing designs,and in some cases,entire planes. The show also said the entire fleet of 257 Raptors cost the American tax-paying public 78 BILLION,roughly 40 mill each. Tommy D.
Pretty impressive when you consider the performance of the F-15. I bet we give some to the Israeli's so they can show us the proper way to fly them..lol. Israeli pilots are bad asses, they come over to train our pilots.
Israel has the most experienced Air Force in the world...... they would be better than the US, except for we have more technology
Smitty5613
Member
+46|6832|Middle of nowhere, California

<<<FTDM>>>Gen.Raven wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

Todays ally is tomorrows enemy. Were not gonna sell off the most advanced aircraft in human history right away, the first if any country to buy it will be the UK.
Last time we sold an advanced piece of equipment (the F-14), we sold it to the supposedly stable Iranian Empire. Even allies can't be trusted with the absolute best.
what about us? as if we would attack you, we have like 70 000 people in our army, we may be aussie but were not stupid.
even though you are our ally, you still have to understand that with all the enemys the US has, we need to be extra careful...... its not that we think you are stupid or dont trust you, we just dont want any technology leaking to our enemys one way or another
HeimdalX
Member
+37|6956
Did we ever sell stealth aircraft? F-117, SR71, B2? I don't think so, could be wrong. Why would we start now?

If you Aussies want a bad ass plane so bad then make one. Your government collects about the same percentage of taxes from income/etc right? Ours spends a majority of it on stupid shit like planes that won't be used before they're outdated. We're selfish; we paid for it. It's like making the fastest car on earth to break a speed record, why the fuck would you sell it to someone else once you built it?
Sentinel
Cheeseburger Connoisseur
+145|6963|Australia
I was under the impression that if our contract for the Joint Strike Fighter fell through we had the option of purchasing the F22 Raptors....

oh well - im happy with either. its about time our airforce got an upgrade


to the above graph - how does anyone accurately know how much China spends on their military?

Last edited by Iron_Sentinel (2007-02-18 23:53:10)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

Iron_Sentinel wrote:

I was under the impression that if our contract for the Joint Strike Fighter fell through we had the option of purchasing the F22 Raptors....

oh well - im happy with either. its about time our airforce got an upgrade


to the above graph - how does anyone accurately know how much China spends on their military?
Dunno but there is more here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_b … c_of_China
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Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6824|Adelaide, South Australia

Iron_Sentinel wrote:

oh well - im happy with either. its about time our airforce got an upgrade
But why do we always upgrade to the USA's outdated models?
HeimdalX
Member
+37|6956

Kmarion wrote:

Smitty5613 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Pretty impressive when you consider the performance of the F-15. I bet we give some to the Israeli's so they can show us the proper way to fly them..lol. Israeli pilots are bad asses, they come over to train our pilots.
Israel has the most experienced Air Force in the world...... they would be better than the US, except for we have more technology
Aside from actually seeing them train our guys here at Macdill AFB (Macdill now is an Air refueling wing). I have watched countless programs detailing their true leetness..lol The history channel had a series on dogfights and it just went to show how they are pretty much untouchable in the air.

HeimdalX wrote:

Did we ever sell stealth aircraft? F-117, SR71, B2? I don't think so, could be wrong. Why would we start now?

If you Aussies want a bad ass plane so bad then make one. Your government collects about the same percentage of taxes from income/etc right? ?
Umm thats a big negative Ghost Rider

http://i15.tinypic.com/2v0cw03.jpg
how about you don't edit the part of my quote that says we spend the majority of it on military shit so you can post a graph disproving the part you didn't remove?
some_random_panda
Flamesuit essential
+454|6696

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

Iron_Sentinel wrote:

oh well - im happy with either. its about time our airforce got an upgrade
But why do we always upgrade to the USA's outdated models?
So the USA can feel safe in that they can still crush anyone they want.

Kidding.  Really. 
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6977|Colorado
Cause they can't afford them ?
BVC
Member
+325|7000
Maybe Australia should buy some Su-35s as well?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

Pubic wrote:

Maybe Australia should buy some Su-35s as well?
You mean the 37 right? Curious does it employ stealth characteristics also?
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Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6951
Make your own fucking plane.
mcminty
Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.
+879|7026|Sydney, Australia

some random from that deleted post wrote:

If you Aussies want a bad ass plane so bad then make one. Your government collects about the same percentage of taxes from income/etc right?
Guess who makes the F-22? The US of A government?

Lockheed Martin!




Do you know who they are?

Lockheed Martin is the world's largest defense contractor!




Do you know how much it cost to make?

US$70 billion!



That would take over 5 years of all of Australia's Defence budget.

Make our own plane?... lol.




It really doesn't matter what happens, the RAAF will be facing difficult times in the next 10 years. Our F-111's will be retiring and the replacement F-35 are now delayed. We might have to rent some Super Hornets or figure something else out.

Or we could buy some Raptors...


MCminty.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6906|132 and Bush

mcminty wrote:

some random from that deleted post wrote:

If you Aussies want a bad ass plane so bad then make one. Your government collects about the same percentage of taxes from income/etc right?
Guess who makes the F-22? The US of A government?

Lockheed Martin!




Do you know who they are?

Lockheed Martin is the world's largest defense contractor!




Do you know how much it cost to make?

US$70 billion!



That would take over 5 years of all of Australia's Defence budget.

Make our own plane?... lol.




It really doesn't matter what happens, the RAAF will be facing difficult times in the next 10 years. Our F-111's will be retiring and the replacement F-35 are now delayed. We might have to rent some Super Hornets or figure something else out.

Or we could buy some Raptors...


MCminty.
Hey why don't you lease us some land for a base? That would bring some cash in..lol
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