I predict a riot

2007-02-09 06:28:54

#51

JahManRed: wank; +646|7080|IRELAND

Richard, don't want to start an argument as we have talked this to death in the past. But it was started in 1169, not 1916 or 1920, with the first invasion from England and Wales. Ireland changed hands many times since then. By bloody Sunday 1920 Ireland had be regularly invaded and suppressed for 800 years by English forces, so they had some cause to be pissed.
So no, it wasn't the Irish that started it it was the Normans in 1169.

2007-02-09 06:42:38

#52

RicardoBlanco: The English; +177|7020|Oxford

JahManRed wrote:
Richard, don't want to start an argument as we have talked this to death in the past. But it was started in 1169, not 1916 or 1920, with the first invasion from England and Wales. Ireland changed hands many times since then. By bloody Sunday 1920 Ireland had be regularly invaded and suppressed for 800 years by English forces, so they had some cause to be pissed.
So no, it wasn't the Irish that started it it was the Normans in 1169.

Perhaps, but Cam was talking about Bloody Sunday specifically, as was I. In that respect, I'm quite right in my reasoning.

2007-02-09 06:49:25

#53

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7209|Argentina

When was the last time a football game ended in trouble? /sarcasm

2007-02-09 07:04:22

#54

JahManRed: wank; +646|7080|IRELAND

@Richard, will have to agree to disagree on that one.

@Serge, its rugby match, not football. Much more civilized fans.

I for one will not make the game but I shall be in the bar with a Guinness in hand cheering on Ireland.

2007-02-09 07:15:15

#55

RicardoBlanco: The English; +177|7020|Oxford

JahManRed wrote:
@Richard, will have to agree to disagree on that one.

Agreed..(to disagree that is)

JahManRed wrote:
I for one will not make the game but I shall be in the bar with a Guinness in hand cheering on Ireland.

As will I, but with a pint of Fursty Ferret and cheering for England. May the best team win.

2007-02-09 08:02:57

#56

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|7013

RicardoBlanco wrote:
No, I'll think you'll find it was fought in Northern Ireland, a different country by the way and owned by the English.

Uh-huh............Dublin is in southern Ireland. And either way: southern Irish fighting British in Northern Ireland is hardly the same as British walking in southern Ireland and starting a fighting.

RicardoBlanco wrote:
Oh and it still wasn't a war, not even part of one, it was part of the IRA terrorist campaign.

Uh-huh. Despite the fact that it is typically referred to as the Irish War of Independence? In fact:

Wikipedia wrote:
Bloody Sunday of 1920 was a day of violence in Dublin on November 21, 1920, during the Irish War of Independence (1919–1921)

Not that I'm really a fan of Wikipedia, but then you did choose to use it as a source, didn't you?

RicardoBlanco wrote:
EDIT: Couldn't resist...it's 'Bloody' not Bloddy'....you kinda lost credibility there

You're right. Bloddy is a huge mistake, especially when compared with my declaration of a non-existant war and misplacement of Dublin................

2007-02-09 08:08:34

#57

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6742|Éire

Ricardo, let's not got into pointless semantics. You see the Irish struggle as terrorism, the Irish see it as a just campaign for freedom from oppression and occupation. You're English yes? Perhaps you see the British forces in Iraq and Afghanistan as being in the right? Others would consider them terrorists with army uniforms on... this world is all about different perceptions, being in the right isn't determined by what colour camouflage you're wearing. Any Americans out there, do you consider yourself a nation born out of terrorism? You had to fight British and French colonialism to gain your Independence.

P.S. Northern Ireland belongs to Ireland, If i stole your car would that mean i was the rightful owner?

2007-02-09 08:39:51

#58

RicardoBlanco: The English; +177|7020|Oxford

Bubbalo wrote:
RicardoBlanco wrote:
No, I'll think you'll find it was fought in Northern Ireland, a different country by the way and owned by the English.
Uh-huh............Dublin is in southern Ireland. And either way: southern Irish fighting British in Northern Ireland is hardly the same as British walking in southern Ireland and starting a fighting.

RicardoBlanco wrote:
Oh and it still wasn't a war, not even part of one, it was part of the IRA terrorist campaign.
Uh-huh. Despite the fact that it is typically referred to as the Irish War of Independence? In fact:

Wikipedia wrote:
Bloody Sunday of 1920 was a day of violence in Dublin on November 21, 1920, during the Irish War of Independence (1919–1921)
Not that I'm really a fan of Wikipedia, but then you did choose to use it as a source, didn't you?

RicardoBlanco wrote:
EDIT: Couldn't resist...it's 'Bloody' not Bloddy'....you kinda lost credibility there
You're right. Bloddy is a huge mistake, especially when compared with my declaration of a non-existant war and misplacement of Dublin................

Call it what you like. I call it terrorism. I was talking about Bloody Sunday 1972.

And do try and make sense..

southern Irish fighting British in Northern Ireland is hardly the same as British walking in southern Ireland and starting a fighting.

..and Northern Ireland is owned by England. No debate.

P.S. Northern Ireland belongs to Ireland

2007-02-09 08:48:34

#59

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|7007

The problem here Ricardo is that you're talking about apples and we're talking about oranges: the OP quite clearly states Bloody Sunday 1920.

2007-02-09 08:53:35

#60

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6742|Éire

Anyone who feels the need to declare 'I win' at the end of an argument is clearly on an intellectual level much higher than i could possibly hope to compete on. Your statement is quite funny and sums up the English mentality. I don't think loyalists in Northern Ireland would agree with your statement, you feel that England owns Northern Ireland ...I think you'll find they would say Great Britain owns Northern Ireland, Northern Irish Unionists are not subjects of the English.

And for the record England doesn't own Scotland or Wales either. A lot of English people make the same incorrect assertion that England IS the United Kingdom. Look at a map mate you'll see Britain divided into sections called countries.

2007-02-09 08:57:28

#61

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|7007

Braddock wrote:
Anyone who feels the need to declare 'I win' at the end of an argument is clearly on an intellectual level much higher than i could possibly hope to compete on. Your statement is quite funny and sums up the English mentality. I don't think loyalists in Northern Ireland would agree with your statement, you feel that England owns Northern Ireland ...I think you'll find they would say Great Britain owns Northern Ireland, Northern Irish Unionists are not subjects of the English.

And for the record England doesn't own Scotland or Wales either. A lot of English people make the same incorrect assertion that England IS the United Kingdom. Look at a map mate you'll see Britain divided into sections called countries.

Brilliant...

2007-02-09 08:57:30

#62

RicardoBlanco: The English; +177|7020|Oxford

Braddock wrote:
Anyone who feels the need to declare 'I win' at the end of an argument is clearly on an intellectual level much higher than i could possibly hope to compete on.

It's a sig.

You are, however, correct on your second statement.

2007-02-09 08:59:17

#63

HornyToady: Member; +3|7162|Wisconsin, USA

Hey Poe...now my last name is Morris and my family immigrated from Ireland to Scotland around 1066 and the Clan Buchanon adopted our family in a form of a sept...now my father married my mother who is 100% Norweigan...so I'm a half-breed American...lol...so is it okay for me to wear my Clan Buchanon tartan without being beaten down? This is off topic but saw you are in Oslo...your fam must be well off or at least you are...please advise on my question...ty

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2007-02-09 09:03:16

#64

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|7007

I'd say sure you're entitled to wear Buchanan tartan. In Oslo for the weekend just - cheap flights, some sightseeing, some beers. Seems like a great place so far - Gothamesque. The place seems a little too perfect though. Went to the Norwegian Resistance Museum today (resistance against the Nazi occupation) - recommend it.

2007-02-09 09:04:56

#65

HornyToady: Member; +3|7162|Wisconsin, USA

thx Poe

2007-02-09 09:12:20

#66

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6742|Éire

Everyone in Ireland is rich these days aren't they?

2007-02-09 10:51:49

#67

ProudLimey: Member; +3|6888

https://www.lrsdc.ie/_fileupload/INT_RUGB%201200%20x%20872.jpg

CameronPoe wrote:
A recent landmark vote by the GAA paved the way for the temporary use of Croke Park for soccer and rugby while Lansdowne Road, the stadium of the IRFU and FAI, is redeveloped.

Nice to see the GAA are embracing the modern age, and a good financial opportunity too. What other stadium could they have used anyway? Croke Park is a fine stadium, and if I was Irish I would be proud that it was being showcased to the world before the new Lansdowne Road is built.

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2007-02-09 11:16:59

#68

IG-Calibre: comhalta; +226|7194|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

RicardoBlanco wrote:
Bubbalo wrote:
uh..........bloddy sunday was fought in ireland. And it was part of a larger campaign which was the war.
No, I'll think you'll find it was fought in Northern Ireland, a different country by the way and owned by the English. Oh and it still wasn't a war, not even part of one, it was part of the IRA terrorist campaign.

EDIT: Couldn't resist...it's 'Bloody' not Bloddy'....you kinda lost credibility there

First of all, Bloody Sunday in 1920 was very much a part of the war of independence, and was one of the last British atrocities carried out on the soil of the Republic before they were driven out and is relevant to this thread - what you are taking about above, is the bloody Sunday that happened 50 odd years later in N.Ireland, was most certainly not by any stretch of the imagination "part of the IRA terrorist campaign" and has absolutely no relevance what-so-ever to this thread..

/Fail

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2007-02-09 11:47:20

#69

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6742|Éire

ProudLimey makes a good point. We're having England come to Croke Park as visitors, we should be proud that our stadium is one of the best in Europe and it would've been a bit of an embarrassment to send our Soccer and Rugby teams to play their 'home' games in English club stadiums, what kind of message would that be to send out?

I don't even feel that soccer has to be seen as an English game any more, sure they invented it but it belongs to the whole planet now, it's one of the few sports that crosses almost every cultural boundary (except the Americans).

P.S. The English may have invented soccer but the Scottish invented passing!

2007-02-09 15:18:50

#70

usmarine2007: Banned; +374|6819|Columbus, Ohio

Why can't you guys behave yourselves? Aren't there like 5 Italian teams playing in empty stadiums because of violence? What the hell?

Last edited by usmarine2007 (2007-02-09 15:19:08)

2007-02-09 16:04:08

#71

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6742|Éire

usmarine2007 you're a rare creature... an American who knows something about soccer! I'm curious, have you ever had a problem with violence with your sports fans? i don't ever recall any major news stories about such a thing.

Perhaps that's the one good thing about your nations foreign policy, maybe it sates your citizens thirst for violence and removes the need for sports fans to go rioting! ...that's a joke by the way, not intended as a serious theory!

2007-02-09 16:37:00

#72

JahManRed: wank; +646|7080|IRELAND

CameronPoe wrote:
It's official: Oslo has a prostitution problem (almost as bad as Madrid)..

Whats the problem? Can't find any?

2007-02-09 17:44:17

#73

usmarine2007: Banned; +374|6819|Columbus, Ohio

Braddock wrote:
usmarine2007 you're a rare creature... an American who knows something about soccer! I'm curious, have you ever had a problem with violence with your sports fans? i don't ever recall any major news stories about such a thing.

I am rare. 100% correct observation.

I have seen some violent stuff in the US. When I was little, the Cleveland Indians had a special promotion one night...... nickel beer night. <--- Good Call!

That was a mess to say the least.

2007-02-09 17:59:19

#74

IG-Calibre: comhalta; +226|7194|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

apparently the GAA are starting to get really worried bout the state of the grass after the rugby games and think they will need to fertlize it. Panic over apparently Steve Staunton has told them not to worry. he's putting a pile of shite on in a few weeks ...

2007-02-09 19:48:59

#75

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|7013

RicardoBlanco wrote:
Call it what you like. I call it terrorism. I was talking about Bloody Sunday 1972.

O rly?

RicardoBlanco wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1920)

RicardoBlanco wrote:
..and Northern Ireland is owned by England. No debate.

And the US was owned by Britain, no debate. Yet would you compare the American War of Independence to Americans walking into Britain and starting a fight? No, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE SAME.

What's funny is that you tried to correct an Irishman on his knowledge of Irish history, and yet a non-Irishman knows more about it than you.

Last edited by Bubbalo (2007-02-09 19:49:25)

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