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is the shown screenshot a proof of a hack?

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fierce
I love [fiSh]
+167|6838

[pt] KEIOS wrote:

@fierce: that could also be possible...
Though on this screenshot it's a bug. The enemy is laying dead on the ground as you can see his corpse is twisted or whatever. And as somebody already mentioned, there's a bug where you suddenly get the distance marker. I had it once in 1400 hours of BF2 and it disappeared after the guy's dead time was gone.

Thus your friend won't be banned, even if the screenshot is submitted to punksbusted.com - they'll check it first and with a resize you can clearly see what is it.

https://img475.imageshack.us/img475/8513/analgeneralkamaxhj6.jpg

Last edited by fierce (2007-02-06 07:41:34)

EqUaLiZeR
Member
+0|6560
That is a hack without a doubt.  I hope this cheating git gets a global ban not just a stats reset.  If that was my server he would be banned as well. The admins are absolutely right to ban him.
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7050|Great Brown North
its a bug, it happens
ssonrats
Member
+221|6915
How fucking useful is it anyway? Ok hack/bug/glitch whatever, is he going to pwn your ass with his UBER distance hack, no.
EqUaLiZeR
Member
+0|6560
Yes he prob would. We caught one with similar hack and it showed enemy tag with distance thru wall. He was throwing nades over with pinpoint accuracy.
DaVeWaVe
Sponsored by Ready Brek... The Nation's Favourite
+7|6932|Farmland, England
Sorry Equalizer but you should READ other peoples posts before giving your opinion because you obvoiusly have no clue.
Stealth42o
She looked 18 to me officer
+175|6942

Sgt.Abyss wrote:

Not very useful if it's a hack imo.
That is what I was thinking.
DaVeWaVe
Sponsored by Ready Brek... The Nation's Favourite
+7|6932|Farmland, England
I best back up my findings otherwise i'll get overwhelmed by smart arse idiots.

Notice on the screenshot that his crosshair is OVER the enemy target and as normally the target shows his name but ALSO the distance marker. ALSO note that the ammo bag has a distance marker with 2m difference (this kinda justifies that the distance marker on the player is valid) . IF it was a hack of some kind, the markers/player names would be noticable through walls, just like when you look for friendly units only highlighted red. But since this "PB screenshot" only takes shots of certain views of the client side, you wouldnt be able to come up with a valid conclusion. BUT, since i have personally experienced this before and it normally only happens when someone gets revived and you have your crosshair on them (normally only as medic), its very unoticable since u'll be trying to shoot them anyway.

And equalizer, yes you do get some like you say the distance marker through a wall, but this particular screenshot doesn't show the marker through a wall does it? If it did then my arguement will be for null.

Last edited by DaVeWaVe (2007-02-06 16:18:54)

bodrider
Member
+0|6582
Nah no hack there.  Most of the time when I kill an enemy from a distance or something I get the distance marker on the corpses as well, so it is probably just a bug.
[pt] KEIOS
srs bsns
+231|6923|pimelteror.de
a friend just did a little research on it.

it is definitely a bug

he tested it on dalian single player and the distance tag just appears in the moment of death for a very short moment.

so the proof is not given - and a new bug is revealed!

thanks to =DLH= Thsw0 aka Sw0pe

Last edited by [pt] KEIOS (2007-02-07 08:55:17)

Megalomaniac
Formerly known as Missionless
+92|6598|105 RVK
ohh... well never happens in 1.03 and I dont play 1.41 so i take my accusing back
EqUaLiZeR
Member
+0|6560
LMFAO  That so called research was done well.  Made a quick vid clip and posted it on youtube today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE1QP8SFhIY
Well researched well proven.  What a laff.  How you defend cheating is beyond me. Cheaters only defeat themselves.
[pt] KEIOS
srs bsns
+231|6923|pimelteror.de
are you defending yourself, for thinking, it was a cheat first?
TutTutPly
Member
+0|6559
I cannot beleive that this thread has got this far.
Is anybody here an experienced admin???? A lot of you are and this one is easy to call.
Well I am, I have created a new account for this post ( for personal reasons) but a lot of you know who I am and know that I know what im talking about. I have played BF2 and adminned 3 servers since the release day of BF2 in the UK and check the PB screenshots on a regular basis aswell as visiting well known hack sites to keep an eye on what lame asses are using.
There is a hack out that puts a distance marker next to the enemys name aswell as the enemys name being seen anywhere on the map including through walls.
I have tried and tested the video that [pt] KEIOS posted and a distance marker is visible for a split second when you SHOOT an enemy but dissapears again instantly. But if you look at the screenshot posted there is no gunfire at all, no muzzle flash and no bullet smoke or markings around the enemy. The player in question is 100% using a hack and if that enemy was stood behind a wall he would still be able to see his tag and distance marker. Here is a screenshot of a player I have previously banned using the exact same hack. The player admitted afterwards that he was using a hack. His stats never got reset as he was let off with a warning (pfft) I would have castrated him.

OK THE SCREENSHOT BELOW
FIRSTLY notice that there is an enemy to the left and to the right of his crosshair yet enemy tags are only supposed to appear when your crosshair is on the enemy.
SECONDLY notice that there are DISTANCE MARKERS next to the enemy tags like the screenshot in question.
THIRDLY note that the enemy on the left is behind a solid pillar so his tag shouldnt be visible.
This is a popular hack and you can contest it all you want but your lame ass friend has been using a hack. Please dont insult admins intelligence by crying its a bug when its blatently not, the admin in question should keep the ban firmly in place and also submit the screenshot to the relevant bodies.

[url=http://imageshack.us][img]http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4931/pb1oc2.jpg[/img][/url]

PS, this server is no longer rented by myself or my clan but by somebody else.
Titch2349
iz me!
+358|6622|uk

tis no hack.

tis a screenshot with very bad timing
DaVeWaVe
Sponsored by Ready Brek... The Nation's Favourite
+7|6932|Farmland, England
ok, THAT screenshot looks more valid.
The other screenshot posted previous had as one would say "had very bad timing".

Thanks for clearing it up TutTutPly (for the more through analysis) and KEIOS (for the vid), since i dont have viewable evidence, just experience from it happening.

and equalizer, you still have no idea gg.
lynxlyran
Member
+15|6914
That cheat also is including the rank. The you tube video does not show the rank. It must ba a cheat like tuttutply says. Looks just like his PB screenie with the rank showing.
Titch2349
iz me!
+358|6622|uk

lynxlyran wrote:

That cheat also is including the rank. The you tube video does not show the rank. It must ba a cheat like tuttutply says. Looks just like his PB screenie with the rank showing.
the rank means nothing,

the reason the rank does not show up in the video is because it is a single player/ coop game, so there is no ranks.

However in game i assure you ranks show up, as it is one of the things i hate, as it is pointless. I do not need to know if the SL is a PFC, or a general.

I also do not believe it is a hack because if you look at how faded the text - i.e. the distance and the player tag. Now watch the video the guy made, the guy has just been killed, and the text, and distance meter is been shown, it is incredible timing, the split second between the "kill", the "death" and the screenshot in the middle of it all.

Why did the muzzle flash not show? because for the majority of the time that the distance marker is shown, there is no muzzle flash. Watch the video again, you will see. When it comes to the point of the kill... keep pausing it... you will pause it without a muzzle flash more times than you do with a muzzle flash.

Last edited by Titch2349 (2007-02-07 13:46:10)

bodrider
Member
+0|6582
Well lynxlyran maybe if you payed attention to what he said about the video, it was a single player game, not on a ranked server.  Also, if it is a hack, then maybe every person that plays BF2, that experiences it should be banned, I have played for a year and it has happened to me every once and a while and I haven't been banned or reported.  Its definitely a bug, no hack.
kiteboarderni
Member
+62|6950
duhhhh it says how far away he is!! clearly hacking!!
EqUaLiZeR
Member
+0|6560
To DaVeWaVe,

Why do you choose to single me out for offering my opinion?
Is this not an open forum to discuss topics posted?
You state I haven't a clue........... I didnt need Tututply's explanation because I knew that already, like most experienced players.  I have had many in our server with similar PBss all have been reported and banned.

As for reading other posts before I reply......wasn't the question "IS HE LIKELY TO PAWN YOUR ASS WITH IT ANYWAY".  I replied Prob yes and gave an explanation. (similar to tututply but not as detailed)

Maybe its you that should read posts before replying.

Respect for others goes a long way mate.

Before you jump and criticise me about the vid response, I like a lot of others despise cheaters with a passion. They do nothing for the game but spoil it and cause unrest in servers.  The post said a lot of research had been done. All that had been done was to make a quick vid clip and post on youtube.  It proves nothing as hacks can be switched on and off at the press of a key. I find that laughable and it appears to me that someone is desperate to legitimise and justify being caught using a hack.

Hope you understand where Im coming from mate.
[pt] KEIOS
srs bsns
+231|6923|pimelteror.de

EqUaLiZeR wrote:

Respect for others goes a long way mate.
let me guess: you are asterixman, or someone else from r3dmist squad? am i right?

this is all about respect for others. only because, you didn´t know about this bug, doesn´t mean, it´s not existing!

and research was done. i asked many people from punksbusted.com, in another big german forum, a level2 admin from BF2RS (which only laughed at that so called proof) and we reconstructed the possible situation this way and my mate did the ingame testing and video. this is enough research for me, if a bug is reproduceable.

maybe YOU should give it a try and test it on your pc? what, if the distance marks also appear on your screen? omg! then you have to report yourself, for being a low life cheater!



EDIT:

to all those, who still don´t believe it: test it by yourself!

- play singleplayer dalian plant
- choose medic kit
- shoot with single shots on the enemy to have time to see them die

you will see the distance mark for a second - in the moment, the opponent falls. the screenshot i posted, is bad timing + this bug
the other pbscreen is a proof for a hack.

Last edited by [pt] KEIOS (2007-02-08 04:41:35)

[pt] KEIOS
srs bsns
+231|6923|pimelteror.de
to all those, who had doubts:

did you test it yet?
Blehm98
conservative hatemonger
+150|6733|meh-land
just to say

there are hacks that produce the exact same effect, but in all likelyhood its not a hack
Titch2349
iz me!
+358|6622|uk

Blehm98 wrote:

just to say

there are hacks that produce the exact same effect, but in all likelyhood its not a hack
agreed, however in this case you can see the difference from the screenshot provided, and the PB screenshot for comparison to the definate hack.

in the screenshot provided, the text is obviously faded, the player is obviously dead
in the PB screenshot the text is bright and clear.

obviously not a hack.

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