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2007-02-04 19:12:48
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command

m3thod wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

m3thod wrote:


Your 'point' was irrelevant to the topic.
It is perfectly relevant since it is the reason why this happened in the first place.
The question that has been levied and the focal point of discussion in this thread is what would Israel have done IF an Iranian James bond had managed to knock off a significant member of its population?

Now you can rabbit on about ArmaniJacket's desire to wipe Israel off the map citing "that the reason in the first place" well I'm sure it is, but it's not what was asked in this thread.

Now please continue as you're proving the content of my sig.
Bullshit, you may like the question of what would Israel have done IF an Iranian James bond had managed to knock off a significant member of its population to be the focus of the thread, but it's not.

The topic is, righteous Israeli operatives killed a evil scientist working  on a evil goal.

GG Israel.
2007-02-04 19:20:32
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|7073
"The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," he said. "As the Imam [the late Ayatollah Khomeini] said, 'Israel must be wiped off the map'… The Islamic world will not let its historic enemy live in its heartland."

This makes all the difference. Ahmadinejad has repeatedly called for Israel to be wiped off the map, funds terrorism, and openly denies the holocaust. This guy is a nut jub, and he's developing nuclear weapons. So you can see, Israel is clearly acting in the best interest of their own country, and moderate civilization as a whole. If you can't see why the situation would be different had Iran knocked off an Israeli scientist, then you are completely out of the loop, or just out to start a silly argument like m3thod.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2007-02-04 19:22:23)

2007-02-04 21:52:43
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

CameronPoe wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


There are times when I wonder if the U.S. falling is such a bad thing.  Then again, I often wonder if it would be such a bad thing for the Middle East to just implode upon itself.

The way I see it....  If we are stupid enough to invade Iran, we'll deserve every one of the negative repercussions it would cause.  On the other hand, I can't say that I sympathize much with Iran either.

Ideally, we'd just assassinate the Ayatollah and all the ultraconservatives in Iran, so that the rest of Iran is free to live as they please.  Of course, that's a lot easier said than done.
I've often wondered why they don't just do that. It seems far easier than having to go through all the trouble of invading. That said, you need someone with a few guns waiting to take over straight away, otherwise it all collapses in chaos.
I've just finished reading up on the modern political history of Iran. What people in the west fail to understand is that what they have there is as close to a democracy as you're going to get in the middle east. That government and political system was hard fought for and is popular. If people think it's going to collapse by shooting a few people then they're severely mistaken. The Iranians have a far greater sense of national identity than any other muslim nation and they would not take kindly to having their elected leaders assassinated.

Iranian national identity is a trinity of three things:
a) Devout and conservative islam;
b) A long and glorious history of ancient empire (Cyrus the Great and such figures);
c) Freedom from the influences and interferences of the west.
Then in all honesty....  There is no reasonable way to fight them other than to nuke them into oblivion.

This is why I would rather we just leave them alone.  If it does come to war, then America should not pull any punches, because what you just mentioned implies that they will never really change for the better.

Of course, in certain ways, you could say the same for America.

Nationalism is the bane of progress in most cases.
2007-02-04 21:54:52
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

oug wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

Ah, fair enough. To be honest, I was never very into the idea of invading Iran, more just that shooting leaders in general seemed like an easier way than invasion to bring 'democracy' to where ever it isn't really wanted.
I don't see why you all think that killing elected leaders would change something... Iran is not like Iraq, where we had a one-man government so to speak. Killing the person in charge would only serve to create martyrs out of nowhere and thus strengthen any policy they might represent. And for the record, democracy IS wanted. "Democracy ala GWB" is not. But then again the latter is not democracy. More like corporate takeover on a country scale...
If the people support the Ayatollah, then they don't want democracy.  They want theocracy.

Granted, I agree that America is more of a plutocracy than a democracy.
2007-02-04 23:56:29
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6982

ATG wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

It is perfectly relevant since it is the reason why this happened in the first place.
The question that has been levied and the focal point of discussion in this thread is what would Israel have done IF an Iranian James bond had managed to knock off a significant member of its population?

Now you can rabbit on about ArmaniJacket's desire to wipe Israel off the map citing "that the reason in the first place" well I'm sure it is, but it's not what was asked in this thread.

Now please continue as you're proving the content of my sig.
Bullshit, you may like the question of what would Israel have done IF an Iranian James bond had managed to knock off a significant member of its population to be the focus of the thread, but it's not.

The topic is, righteous Israeli operatives killed a evil scientist working  on a evil goal.

GG Israel.
Well don't complain when terrorists do the same to Israelis or your own - because that's what the Israelis carried out: extrajudicial killing - terrorism - killing some punter who may or may not be 'evil'. Hypocrisy at its finest. Irrespective of intentions - condoning one strand of terrorism over another demonstrates a distinct lack of principles.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-02-05 00:09:10)

2007-02-05 02:11:53
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7098|UK

ATG wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

It is perfectly relevant since it is the reason why this happened in the first place.
The question that has been levied and the focal point of discussion in this thread is what would Israel have done IF an Iranian James bond had managed to knock off a significant member of its population?

Now you can rabbit on about ArmaniJacket's desire to wipe Israel off the map citing "that the reason in the first place" well I'm sure it is, but it's not what was asked in this thread.

Now please continue as you're proving the content of my sig.
Bullshit, you may like the question of what would Israel have done IF an Iranian James bond had managed to knock off a significant member of its population to be the focus of the thread, but it's not.

The topic is, righteous Israeli operatives killed a evil scientist working  on a evil goal.

GG Israel.
Okay, true not *the* focal point of the thread but still valid question proposed by BN, skirted around by bollox i see.

And anyway.....Evil goal? Evil Scientist? Says who? You?! Get over yourself.

I see a justifiable goal created to deter the aggressor in the west.  The only have to look next door to see what it is or more to the point NOT capable of.

MAD will ensure your country isn't ripped apart from the seams.

GG Iran.

Last edited by m3thod (2007-02-05 02:16:48)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-02-05 02:56:16
.:XDR:.PureFodder
Member
+105|7256

ATG wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

It is perfectly relevant since it is the reason why this happened in the first place.
The question that has been levied and the focal point of discussion in this thread is what would Israel have done IF an Iranian James bond had managed to knock off a significant member of its population?

Now you can rabbit on about ArmaniJacket's desire to wipe Israel off the map citing "that the reason in the first place" well I'm sure it is, but it's not what was asked in this thread.

Now please continue as you're proving the content of my sig.
Bullshit, you may like the question of what would Israel have done IF an Iranian James bond had managed to knock off a significant member of its population to be the focus of the thread, but it's not.

The topic is, righteous Israeli operatives killed a evil scientist working  on a evil goal.

GG Israel.
Does that mean we can kill all the Americans who worked or are working on certain Chemical, biological and nuclear projects, because they're all `evil scientists` working on projects that violate international treaties?

Last edited by .:XDR:.PureFodder (2007-02-05 02:59:55)

 

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