BF2S Forums re-phrased for PC. How to show your hatred for America presence

Easy there Tiger. i wouldn't want to see you banished.

look at the bright side now there 120 less arabs (sarcasm)

Last edited by herrr_smity (2007-02-03 15:10:29)

I don't think Iraqi Sunni Muslims consider Iraqi Shia Muslims as "their own" and i expect Iraqi Shia have the same contempt.  Insurgents don't give a shit they just wanna fuck it up a little bit more and how do you know it wasn't Shia on Shia violence? Anyway these events never occurred prior to American intervention so it's a bit of a no brainer to say "they don't need help now do they?" when actually American presence compounds the problem.

How can you help when your assistance is outright rejected?  The US is in a straight jacket as it watches Iraq place a noose around its neck.  It only a matter of time.

Last edited by m3thod (2007-02-03 15:16:26)

Stay.  You have no choice.

m3thod wrote:

I don't think Iraqi Sunni Muslims consider Iraqi Shia Muslims as "their own" and i expect Iraqi Shia have the same contempt.  Insurgents don't give a shit they just wanna fuck it up a little bit more and how do you know it wasn't Shia on Shia violence? Anyway these events never occurred prior to American intervention so it's a bit of a no brainer to say "they don't need help now do they?" when actually American presence compounds the problem.

How can you help when your assistance is outright rejected?  The US is in a straight jacket as it watches Iraq place a noose around its neck.  It only a matter of time.

The reason it didn't happen before America showed up was because Saddam did all the killing and controlled the media about it. No brainer there. America has offered up freedom on a silver platter for the Iraqi's. Your comparison between them is the same as American  northern yankees and Southern rednecks all from different backgrounds morals and beliefs, ( baptist, catholic ) but we have grown beyond such bullshit behavior by about 150 years. It is time for the ME and Iraq to get modern, or get left behind. We are rapidly weening off of oil after all, and like you keep saying we won't have a reason to give a shit then, right?

Before you slam me, remember we had a "moment" last night. Don't blow it for me

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/03/iraq.main/index.html


Nothing like blowing up several hundred of your own, to show your hatred and the problems that the American presence has in the ME. Good job! Ya really know how to govern yourselves. They don't need help now do they?

Get over yourself.  128 people died, and you only think how they show their hatred for American presence?  Show some respect at least.  You are talking about people.

crimson_grunt wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Before you slam me, remember we had a "moment" last night. Don't blow it for me

So wrong.....can't stop laughing at all the ways one can take that sentence.

I've got to agree

I knew Lowing was weird.

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/03/iraq.main/index.html


Nothing like blowing up several hundred of your own, to show your hatred and the problems that the American presence has in the ME. Good job! Ya really know how to govern yourselves. They don't need help now do they?

Ask yourself why the Shī‘a Muslims weren't bothering with tactics like these (on any significant scale) when Saddam was in control.  You won't come to the conclusion that it is on moral grounds or that are somehow more ethical when it comes to tactics, since after these bombings Sunni neighbourhoods are often randomly shelled.  That's right, random mortar fire right into the middle of populated civilian centres together with random killings of 20 or 30 people at a time by Shī‘a police and militia in retaliation to the bombings (which are in retaliation to the shellings/killing).  Neither side is right, but until there is an even handed crackdown on both sides then it will carry on until the remaining Sunnis have been forced into ghettos (many areas have already been cleansed) and wiped out. 

They say the Sunnis fire mortars too, but this is quite unlikely (edit: or at least unwise) as the Shī‘a police and militia have free reign and checkpoints all over the Sunni neighbourhoods, and firing mortars would get you killed or worse within minutes. 

Feb 1st 2007
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/worl … -iraq.html
wrote:

In the hours after the explosion, Shiite and Sunni mortar teams traded fire across the darkened city. Two people were killed and 20 wounded in one predominantly Sunni district.

Most of the Shī‘a mortar fire kills civilians, and there was one incident where 5 school children were killed from repeated deliberate targetting.
http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=13256

Despite the fact that all the evidence points towards government authorised militias who are working for the government, the media insists on calling them insurgents despite the fact that they are not fighting to change the status quo, but enforce it. See Part 2 of the Iraqi Death Squads report on Dispatches for witness testimony on this often overlooked detail.

Last edited by UON (2007-02-03 15:50:49)

lowing wrote:

m3thod wrote:

I don't think Iraqi Sunni Muslims consider Iraqi Shia Muslims as "their own" and i expect Iraqi Shia have the same contempt.  Insurgents don't give a shit they just wanna fuck it up a little bit more and how do you know it wasn't Shia on Shia violence? Anyway these events never occurred prior to American intervention so it's a bit of a no brainer to say "they don't need help now do they?" when actually American presence compounds the problem.

How can you help when your assistance is outright rejected?  The US is in a straight jacket as it watches Iraq place a noose around its neck.  It only a matter of time.

The reason it didn't happen before America showed up was because Saddam did all the killing and controlled the media about it. No brainer there. America has offered up freedom on a silver platter for the Iraqi's. Your comparison between them is the same as American  northern yankees and Southern rednecks all from different backgrounds morals and beliefs, ( baptist, catholic ) but we have grown beyond such bullshit behavior by about 150 years. It is time for the ME and Iraq to get modern, or get left behind. We are rapidly weening off of oil after all, and like you keep saying we won't have a reason to give a shit then, right?

Before you slam me, remember we had a "moment" last night. Don't blow it for me

ATG can add something here...something about Saddam being the ruler and could deal with people as he saw fit?  His country, his laws, his media.  I'm not going to defend him but surely the violence and death is no where near the scale that it is today.  In fact is anyone surprised when bomb explodes in Iraq? Certainly doesn't surprise me anymore however, what does is the how many are killed by these explosions...120 today? 80 at the University?  I remember death tolls being in the 10's and 20's.  The insurgents are getting smarter, learning local traditions, the Iraqi way of life, determined gathering points and buildings of significance not to mention obviously utilising better technology.

The ME cultures ARE behind and by a lot more than 150 years.  It's unreasonable to expect these people to fast forward to present day western freedom overnight.  It's just not going to happen and this should had been legislated for AND a contingency plan developed should it go tits up.

Weening of oil isn't going to happen overnight, considering the world capital markets revolve around the damn thing.  The oil factor is a long term goal and for the foreseeable future it's irrelevant to the Iraq problem.  Furthermore, do you think Exxon, Shell and BP and just going to let oil dependency slip overnight?  These guys have more power that most countries.

Might be worth visiting here if you wanna fill up: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6325319.stm

PS

I still think you're a nutter but your consistent civil debating is commendable.  Leaf out of book.

m3thod wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

crimson_grunt wrote:

I've got to agree

I knew Lowing was weird.

Jesus christ man! We agreed that trade unions suck donkey dick thats it!

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 4#p1189014

Now get your filthy brains out this thread!

Lol sorry bud it was just an odd sentence out the blue.

I'll get me coat.

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/03/iraq.main/index.html


Nothing like blowing up several hundred of your own, to show your hatred and the problems that the American presence has in the ME. Good job! Ya really know how to govern yourselves. They don't need help now do they?

Get over yourself.  128 people died, and you only think how they show their hatred for American presence?  Show some respect at least.  You are talking about people.

Now that is good. There is nothing I wanted more than to help these people ( when they wanted to help themselves). You and others like you are the ones telling us we should leave Iraq and mind our own business and let the have their civil war.

You are also the ones that say all of this is America's fault in the first place. My question to you is, where is the logic of killing your fellow countrymen women and children to show your disdain for American presence?

crimson_grunt wrote:

m3thod wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I knew Lowing was weird.

Jesus christ man! We agreed that trade unions suck donkey dick thats it!

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 4#p1189014

Now get your filthy brains out this thread!

Lol sorry bud it was just an odd sentence out the blue.

I'll get me coat.

lol