Ah, right, comparing the costs of killing people to the costs of saving people, and concluding that war is good because it's cheaper. fadedsteve: superstar economist!
Ah, seeing no benefit in war whatsoever, ever, because it's a pollution hazard and babies get hurt. Bubbalo: responcible world community member.Bubbalo wrote:
Ah, right, comparing the costs of killing people to the costs of saving people, and concluding that war is good because it's cheaper. fadedsteve: superstar economist!
T Blair has done much in the last 12 years. We aren't killing each other now so, yes the UK has helped to "fix it"Superslim wrote:
I'm lost, explain?usmarine2007 wrote:
Northern Ireland?m3thod wrote:
You broke it, you fix it.
I pay national insurance, as does all citizens, working or not. It is a collective medical insurance policy of sorts run by the government for the entire UK.Hence no profits for big companies. I pay about £300 a year. I haven't spent a night in hospital in my life, but my woman has asthma and gets her meds given to her. We had a baby a couple of years ago, all covered.Its also reassuring that my medical needs will be looked after as I get older. I am getting my moneys worth. How much does all inclusive medical insurance cost per year in the USA? Genuine question.fadedsteve wrote:
Imagine what socialized medicine would cost our country. . .
This war is PEANUTS compared to that scam. . .
It'd be pretty fucking likely you'd get one though.BN wrote:
you could pour 500 trillion into a war and not be guaranteed a victory.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
You could pour 500 trillion dollars into cancer and not be guaranteed a cure.BN wrote:
You could sure cancer or US poverty with that sort of money!
Shows where his priorities are.
Look after your own before you look after others.
War wont bankrupt our country. . .that I DO know!!Bubbalo wrote:
Ah, right, comparing the costs of killing people to the costs of saving people, and concluding that war is good because it's cheaper. fadedsteve: superstar economist!
But a socialized medical package will surely do so. . . .would be an absolute travesty to our economy if we did that!! For some reason I just dont feel like paying 8 bucks a gallon like the folks in the UK do. . .not too mention getting taxed more than I already do. . . LESS GOVERNMENT IS BETTER GOVERNMENT!! I certain states think its practical to do so, then more power to them. . .its their state, but I dont need the feds crawling up my ass for more money than they already take!!
We might as well just sign surrender documents to al-Qaeda too!! You would probably be OK with that wouldnt you, my confused liberal debate partner!!!
btw Ronald Reagan is a stud. . . . he isnt god, but sure saved this countries ass after the debacle that was Jimmy Carter!!!
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Canada seems to do just fine.......................
Canada is a shithole. . . .Bubbalo wrote:
Canada seems to do just fine.......................
Its cold and full of Canadiens/French Canadiens (even worse!). . . .
They also don't have even close the same size population that we do. . .which is major factor for a variety of reasons. . .
Don't even try to say if it works in Canada it should work in the USA. . .cause that argument is fundamentally flawed from the start!
My state (California) ALONE has 32 million+ people in it. . .you want to have medical coverage for all of them??
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST THE FEDS TO COVER JUST CALIFORNIA??? Its IMpractical and is not going to happen. . .period! Have you ever been to a hospital in the UK compared to the USA?? Its night and day bro. . . .Why do you think the best doctors and surgeons come here to practice medicine. . .
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So, the greater size causes increased costs without a corresponding increase in income?
That's apart from the blatant insults at the start of your post..................where's Prodie?
That's apart from the blatant insults at the start of your post..................where's Prodie?
JahManRed wrote:
How much does all inclusive medical insurance cost per year in the USA? Genuine question.
What about countries like Germany (80million) , France (60million) , Italy (50million) and the rest of Europe where it works ?fadedsteve wrote:
Canada is a shithole. . . .Bubbalo wrote:
Canada seems to do just fine.......................
Its cold and full of Canadiens/French Canadiens (even worse!). . . .
They also don't have even close the same size population that we do. . .which is major factor for a variety of reasons. . .
Don't even try to say if it works in Canada it should work in the USA. . .cause that argument is fundamentally flawed from the start!
My state (California) ALONE has 32 million+ people in it. . .you want to have medical coverage for all of them??
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST THE FEDS TO COVER JUST CALIFORNIA??? Its IMpractical and is not going to happen. . .period! Have you ever been to a hospital in the UK compared to the USA?? Its night and day bro. . . .Why do you think the best doctors and surgeons come here to practice medicine. . .
Sure, there are problems, like everywhere but people here prefer having something that might not be perfect but works if you are in trouble.
You have your opinion, good for you, but don't say that it doesn't work.
Virtually nothing if you have a job with good benefits. Self employed are kinda screwed. Our health care system needs to be revamped.JahManRed wrote:
JahManRed wrote:
How much does all inclusive medical insurance cost per year in the USA? Genuine question.
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really? Howzit going so far?Bertster7 wrote:
It'd be pretty fucking likely you'd get one though.BN wrote:
you could pour 500 trillion into a war and not be guaranteed a victory.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
You could pour 500 trillion dollars into cancer and not be guaranteed a cure.
Not so good.
I find it laughable that people would rather put more money into killing people than saving peoples lives....
We as a race have managed pretty much anything that we have really tried to do...
Why go out and kill some people that aren't as developed as the western world? I'd rather not die from all the carcinogens that are being produced by your military equipment
We as a race have managed pretty much anything that we have really tried to do...
Why go out and kill some people that aren't as developed as the western world? I'd rather not die from all the carcinogens that are being produced by your military equipment
It works huh?? And people wonder why Europe is so fucking expensive!! tax tax tax tax tax ENOUGH!!!!Lost Hope wrote:
What about countries like Germany (80million) , France (60million) , Italy (50million) and the rest of Europe where it works ?fadedsteve wrote:
Canada is a shithole. . . .Bubbalo wrote:
Canada seems to do just fine.......................
Its cold and full of Canadiens/French Canadiens (even worse!). . . .
They also don't have even close the same size population that we do. . .which is major factor for a variety of reasons. . .
Don't even try to say if it works in Canada it should work in the USA. . .cause that argument is fundamentally flawed from the start!
My state (California) ALONE has 32 million+ people in it. . .you want to have medical coverage for all of them??
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST THE FEDS TO COVER JUST CALIFORNIA??? Its IMpractical and is not going to happen. . .period! Have you ever been to a hospital in the UK compared to the USA?? Its night and day bro. . . .Why do you think the best doctors and surgeons come here to practice medicine. . .
Sure, there are problems, like everywhere but people here prefer having something that might not be perfect but works if you are in trouble.
You have your opinion, good for you, but don't say that it doesn't work.
I would say the only time you get fucked out of health care (In the USA), is A. you are self employed B. work at a shaddy company who has shitty premiums C. too broke to pay for coverage. . .
A. being self employed is a personal choice (you either choose to get coverage or run the risk) B. find another job, or deal with it until you rise up through the ranks to get a better health package C. If your poor, that sucks, make better life decisions, its not my job as another "joe" walking the street to pay for your health care. . .its not like a hospital is going to deny you service if your sick(see CA state hospital bills for illegal immigrants). . . .
The USA is too large of a nation to do a nationwide socialized medical plan. . .like I said, there are 32+mil people in JUST California, thats over half the population of France!!! How else do you think the government is gonna get money to pay for it?? BY TAXING THE FUCK OUT OF US!!!
The system make work in smaller European countries, and thats great! But its not feasible here in the USA, it would ruin our economy beyond repair. . .nuff said
I have been in a UK hospital, and it was disgusting. . . It was dirty, understaffed from what I saw, and over crowded!!! I was miserable and really sick!! I couldnt wait to get home to a privately run hospital here in CA!! There is your beautiful socialized medical hospital at working for you. . .
I believe there is no war in Iraq. A war is two armies fighting. Whats there is is terrorism. When a group of people hate the people in power, but have no hope of defeating them on a military basis, they resort to terrorism. A war has enemy lines, bases. Terrorism is an underground insurgency that operates within the boundaries of thier enemy's terroritory. Terrorism can result from one man, one bomb. The course we need isn't more bombs more troops more planes. to "win" we have to make everyone there not hate us, and not hate the governemnt in charge=impossible to win. thank you, religeous extremists!Bertster7 wrote:
It'd be pretty fucking likely you'd get one though.BN wrote:
you could pour 500 trillion into a war and not be guaranteed a victory.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
You could pour 500 trillion dollars into cancer and not be guaranteed a cure.
Which hospital & where? you have to remember that the NHS (national health service) was grossly underfunded by 18 years of Conservative government, by the party the equivalent of the American republican party, who willfully tried to destroy the NHS - thank's to labour there has been hugh investment back into it again, we have had several new hospitals built recently, and, any medical treatment i've had on the NHS has been excellent, my only gripe has been with waiting lists..fadedsteve wrote:
It works huh?? And people wonder why Europe is so fucking expensive!! tax tax tax tax tax ENOUGH!!!!Lost Hope wrote:
What about countries like Germany (80million) , France (60million) , Italy (50million) and the rest of Europe where it works ?fadedsteve wrote:
Canada is a shithole. . . .
Its cold and full of Canadiens/French Canadiens (even worse!). . . .
They also don't have even close the same size population that we do. . .which is major factor for a variety of reasons. . .
Don't even try to say if it works in Canada it should work in the USA. . .cause that argument is fundamentally flawed from the start!
My state (California) ALONE has 32 million+ people in it. . .you want to have medical coverage for all of them??
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST THE FEDS TO COVER JUST CALIFORNIA??? Its IMpractical and is not going to happen. . .period! Have you ever been to a hospital in the UK compared to the USA?? Its night and day bro. . . .Why do you think the best doctors and surgeons come here to practice medicine. . .
Sure, there are problems, like everywhere but people here prefer having something that might not be perfect but works if you are in trouble.
You have your opinion, good for you, but don't say that it doesn't work.
I would say the only time you get fucked out of health care (In the USA), is A. you are self employed B. work at a shaddy company who has shitty premiums C. too broke to pay for coverage. . .
A. being self employed is a personal choice (you either choose to get coverage or run the risk) B. find another job, or deal with it until you rise up through the ranks to get a better health package C. If your poor, that sucks, make better life decisions, its not my job as another "joe" walking the street to pay for your health care. . .its not like a hospital is going to deny you service if your sick(see CA state hospital bills for illegal immigrants). . . .
The USA is too large of a nation to do a nationwide socialized medical plan. . .like I said, there are 32+mil people in JUST California, thats over half the population of France!!! How else do you think the government is gonna get money to pay for it?? BY TAXING THE FUCK OUT OF US!!!
The system make work in smaller European countries, and thats great! But its not feasible here in the USA, it would ruin our economy beyond repair. . .nuff said
I have been in a UK hospital, and it was disgusting. . . It was dirty, understaffed from what I saw, and over crowded!!! I was miserable and really sick!! I couldnt wait to get home to a privately run hospital here in CA!! There is your beautiful socialized medical hospital at working for you. . .
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Thanks, I was about to ask why the UK's public hospital were that fucked up.IG-Calibre wrote:
Which hospital & where? you have to remember that the NHS (national health service) was grossly underfunded by 18 years of Conservative government, by the party the equivalent of the American republican party, who willfully tried to destroy the NHS - thank's to labour there has bee hugh investment back into it again, we have had several new hospitals built recently, and, any medical treatment i've had on the NHS has been excellent, my only gripe has been with waiting lists..
How is it going now ?
I heard that UK citizen were allowed to go to France or another country if the waiting lists were too long, is it true ?
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All of you need to STFU right now. NONE of you have any room to talk about how money is spent. Did you go sell your $3000 dollar computer and give it to someone in need? No. How about all the money you spent on games? What about those video card and RAM upgrades? Buy any beer or tobacco lately? Drive a car?
I know I still buy those things, so I have no room to talk either. Get off your fucking soapboxes.
I know I still buy those things, so I have no room to talk either. Get off your fucking soapboxes.
Yeah for serious operations I believe so, labour have promised to reduce waiting lists to 3months for some operations; if you cannot be accommodate in the UK they give you the choice and fund for you to have the operation performed outside of the UK. tbh there has been really bad miss management of billions of pounds and it's been a total disgrace, almost criminal, an example would be when they wasted over a hundred million quid on a computer system that had to be scrapped cause it didn't work properly..Lost Hope wrote:
Thanks, I was about to ask why the UK's public hospital were that fucked up.IG-Calibre wrote:
Which hospital & where? you have to remember that the NHS (national health service) was grossly underfunded by 18 years of Conservative government, by the party the equivalent of the American republican party, who willfully tried to destroy the NHS - thank's to labour there has bee hugh investment back into it again, we have had several new hospitals built recently, and, any medical treatment i've had on the NHS has been excellent, my only gripe has been with waiting lists..
How is it going now ?
I heard that UK citizen were allowed to go to France or another country if the waiting lists were too long, is it true ?
Last edited by IG-Calibre (2007-02-03 07:10:06)
Exactly, I pay for everything I own!!usmarine2007 wrote:
All of you need to STFU right now. NONE of you have any room to talk about how money is spent. Did you go sell your $3000 dollar computer and give it to someone in need? No. How about all the money you spent on games? What about those video card and RAM upgrades? Buy any beer or tobacco lately? Drive a car?
I know I still buy those things, so I have no room to talk either. Get off your fucking soapboxes.
I pay for my apt, my car, my bills, my play(bars, games, girlfriend expenses, etc.) I know what it costs to live ESPECIALLY here in beautiful sunny California!!
Its expensive!! The last thing I need is some broke ass liberal telling me what I should spend my money on!! Or better yet, tell me I am not getting taxed enough!! Or that I'm insensitive cause I dont give a fuck about some guy/gal who doesnt apply themselves in life and wants a handout from the government!!
GOVERNMENTS JOB IS TO PROTECT ITS CITIZENS, NOT HOLD THEIR HAND THROUGH LIFE!!
sunny Claifornia? how's your civil war going there thsi weather?
How's your.............what?IG-Calibre wrote:
sunny Claifornia? how's your civil war going there thsi weather?
Its called a debate section, maybe you hadnt notice.usmarine2007 wrote:
All of you need to STFU right now. NONE of you have any room to talk about how money is spent. Did you go sell your $3000 dollar computer and give it to someone in need? No. How about all the money you spent on games? What about those video card and RAM upgrades? Buy any beer or tobacco lately? Drive a car?
I know I still buy those things, so I have no room to talk either. Get off your fucking soapboxes.
Maybe you haven't since your stupid thread got closed...and now your a doing the same thing.paranoid101 wrote:
Its called a debate section, maybe you hadnt notice.usmarine2007 wrote:
All of you need to STFU right now. NONE of you have any room to talk about how money is spent. Did you go sell your $3000 dollar computer and give it to someone in need? No. How about all the money you spent on games? What about those video card and RAM upgrades? Buy any beer or tobacco lately? Drive a car?
I know I still buy those things, so I have no room to talk either. Get off your fucking soapboxes.
To answer your post, debate all you want. I just think you people on your soapboxes are full of shit.
dude, wtf i could win a war with 500 trillion dollarsBN wrote:
you could pour 500 trillion into a war and not be guaranteed a victory.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
You could pour 500 trillion dollars into cancer and not be guaranteed a cure.BN wrote:
You could sure cancer or US poverty with that sort of money!
Shows where his priorities are.
Look after your own before you look after others.