ATG
Banned
+5,233|6920|Global Command
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1183/print
https://i5.tinypic.com/48e0arp.jpg

I invite you to read the article.
Karma points ready to dish out to the best arguments that this is not a problem.

Last edited by ATG (2007-02-01 15:07:16)

madmurre
I suspect something is amiss
+117|7101|Sweden
Hmm did´nt need to read much to realize that was probably the biggest racist propaganda i have read in a long while. I will try to read it all through later and come back..

So i read through most of the article one thing you can say for sure the author Fjordman clearly seems to dislike or more likely hate Muslims and Islam.


A quote from the article with some Scandinavian problems.

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"It has been reported that shopkeepers in certain areas of Oslo now need to pay protection money. The criminals are more trigger-happy than ever, and since many of them abide by the rules of blood vengeance, violence is rapidly increasing. In Sweden, reports about criminal gangs and mafias, a phenomenon that is growing day by day, are coming in from urban areas all over the country, and a feeling of powerlessness is spreading among ordinary citizens. “We have no other possibility than to flee from this area. Families cannot fight against these problems alone. We are talking about survival, you can get stabbed here. We can only survive by attempting to avoid getting targeted.”

Feriz and Pajtim, members of youth gang Gangsta Albanian Thug Unit in the Swedish city of Malmö, explain how they mug and beat people downtown. “

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What the hell does that have to do with Muslims?? He seems to take for granted that every criminal is a Muslim according to his text. Anything above could be said about Christians as well.

Now in Sweden for instance the crimes that are described above sure happens and most of the people that commit them might be foreigners with a better tan than most of us Scandinavians. But to mix this up with Islam and Muslims is plain wrong.

Last edited by madmurre (2007-02-01 16:18:34)

Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6972|SE London

It is a problem. It is also overemphasised too often. Radical Islam is a bad thing, as is most radicalism.

There are lots of incidents that give me hope that this won't all get totally out of hand. The local reactions to the terrorism arrests in Birmingham yesterday, I found reassuring.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-02-01 15:13:35)

crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7045|Teesside, UK

ATG wrote:

Fine. No more Islam threads for a while.
Wow you lasted 2 whole weeks I'm impressed
BALTINS
ಠ_ಠ
+37|6877|Latvia
I have never seen (at least i think so), nor do I know any Muslim. I love my bunker state
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6758|Columbus, Ohio

BALTINS wrote:

I have never seen (at least i think so), nor do I know any Muslim. I love my bunker state
Got room for a foul mouthed jarhead?
BALTINS
ಠ_ಠ
+37|6877|Latvia

usmarine2007 wrote:

BALTINS wrote:

I have never seen (at least i think so), nor do I know any Muslim. I love my bunker state
Got room for a foul mouthed jarhead?
If your armed forces need some place to stay, near Russia.. ahm North Mid East, we got plenty of unused military bases left over from the Soviets. I would love to see an American flag here..
Kukulcan
Member
+6|6692|The Battlefield
This is anti muslim propaganda cleary , i understood this only by the first statements.

Here in italy we have many muslims.... there are good one , and bad one. Muslims integralists that preach ''KILL THE INFIDELS! YARR! '' and more moderated one.

Islam itself isn't a violent religion at all.... in past times they were know for not slaving the nations they conquered but integrate them and LET THEM PRAISE THEIR OWN GODS , in private , naturally.

Real islam is about peace and tolerance.... read the Qur'an. I have no god... i read the Chrisitian Bible , the Jewish Torah , the Muslim Qur'An and other religious books as personal interests.

I don't think that muslims are substituting our heads in the society.
Fen321
Member
+54|6888|Singularity
Wow, just wow are you sure your not on some propaganda payroll cause jesus you can't get anymore blatantly narrow minded.

"What the BBC conveniently “forgot” to mention in this article was that these blood feuds are rooted in Islamic teachings."

There are no ROOTED Islamic teachings in the Qu'ran that state to kill others in any sort of offensive  manner. And to see quotes in English imply what..............INTERPRETATION..........that's it buddy you can interpret the living shit out of it into English and lose context...context....and some more context.

Here is a good example.......we use the term Islamic Terrorist frequently, but we fail to even translate the meaning of Islamic since it would then imply a PEACEFUL terrorist inherently you will have difficulty going back and forth between the two languages due to cultural differences. Another example is that states in this region call our Secretary of Defense........Secretary of WAR notice the subtle difference this will make on a persons rational towards that given topic once i change one word.

To be honest anyone Muslim that accepts terrorism (political tool) as allowed in their faith is no longer a Muslim. It goes against all tenets of being a Muslim. So what that author needs to start stating is the fact that the terrorist are CRIMINALS you can no longer attach the religion, which in these cases its a tool, to the perpetrators and fail to mention their usage of it as such.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6952
So you're complaining that the religion of violence is peacefully migrating?

Besides which, the articles own links contradict it.  For example, the article claims that the Muslims are moving into the cities and pushing the non-Muslims out (a ridiculous claim given that non-Muslims would first have to move out to make room for the Muslims) - yet one of the articles talks about about ghettos in France, calling them "high-rise complexes that have been built far away from the city center to house African and Arab immigrants".
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7081|Tampa Bay Florida
I have BEEN to Paris and I can tell you that that is a load of bullcrap. 

All big cities have prominent ethnic groups from other parts of the world.  It's more of a cultural thing than it is a terrorism thing. 

What you are doing would be like blaming the crime in Miami on Cuban immigrants.  Yeah, some of that stuff is crazy, but it's far from being a takeover of an entire city, or NATION, as that article implies.

Last edited by Spearhead (2007-02-01 16:15:38)

Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6952
The bulk of violence in Paris is from discontent youths angry about unemployment.

Of course, I doubt there's any point even trying to point out the flaws to ATG....................
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6951
Wow so the existence of no-go zones as mentioned in the article is a lie. Funny hao you all can post links to support your opinions but this guys is just propoganda.
Hastamamaleyka Europe!
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6796|North Carolina
Demographics can show us that the future of Europe is one where the locals age out and are surpassed in birth rates by immigrants.  With the way that most European nations are designed, they have large social systems that are in place to take care of people as they become elderly.

One way or another, these nations will need a large group of young immigrants to provide basic services to an aging population and to provide a sufficient tax base to support their social programs.  So, since there is a great amount of demand from the Third World to immigrate to First World nations like in Western Europe, these nations can afford to be selective.

It would appear that the current flow of Pakistanis into the U.K. poses somewhat of a security risk, even though most Pakistanis aren't extremist.  In order to be safer as a country, it would probably be better for the U.K. to restrict further immigration from Pakistan, and instead, aim more immigration policy at bringing in Indian and Chinese immigrants (among many other mostly non-Muslim groups).  I know that this kind of policy crafting is prejudiced in nature, but sometimes, a higher amount of security and a better quality of life demand a certain degree of prejudice in the pursuit of avoiding cultural conflict.

Thankfully, America is a large enough country with secular cultural values that are dominant enough in their respect for individuality to not have to worry so much about extremist Muslims pushing us around.  We are a nation of immigrants, and there is enough of a variety of viewpoints in our country to prevent any true extremism from taking hold of our country.  Although admittedly....  paranoia seems to have done so.....
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6952

rawls2 wrote:

Wow so the existence of no-go zones as mentioned in the article is a lie. Funny hao you all can post links to support your opinions but this guys is just propoganda.
Hastamamaleyka Europe!
One criminologist claims that whilst working for the government she identified 808 "sensitive" areas.  She was fired shortly thereafter.  So, either you can believe the creatively interpreted words of an unemployed criminologist, or you can not.  I really don't care.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7062|UK

rawls2 wrote:

Wow so the existence of no-go zones as mentioned in the article is a lie. Funny hao you all can post links to support your opinions but this guys is just propoganda.
Hastamamaleyka Europe!
The hell is Hastamamaleyka?!!!
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6951

m3thod wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

Wow so the existence of no-go zones as mentioned in the article is a lie. Funny hao you all can post links to support your opinions but this guys is just propoganda.
Hastamamaleyka Europe!
The hell is Hastamamaleyka?!!!
lol...I think thats the phonetic spelling of "see you later" in some language related to islam.
Fen321
Member
+54|6888|Singularity
As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم) (Peace be upon you)  is an Arabic language greeting used in both Muslim and Christian cultures.

I believe that's what he meant to say....

Last edited by Fen321 (2007-02-01 17:25:32)

ATG
Banned
+5,233|6920|Global Command

Bubbalo wrote:

The bulk of violence in Paris is from discontent youths angry about unemployment.

Of course, I doubt there's any point even trying to point out the flaws to ATG....................
What, Lizard, are you talking about?

Those high rises were built for muslim Algerian immigrants. Talk all you want, if you have something to say other than to call me names or accuse me off something, I'll listen.

Really, your just trying to provoke me.

Fine, I'm provoked,  go have sex with your self with a shovel handle.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6952
Wow, you've taken the shortest of three posts I've made and complained about me trying to provoke you.  Good work.  Have a cookie.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6920|Global Command

Bubbalo wrote:

Wow, you've taken the shortest of three posts I've made and complained about me trying to provoke you.  Good work.  Have a cookie.
You're expecting me to take each in turn?
Write something of quality, and I will comment like you wish.

Last edited by ATG (2007-02-01 19:42:30)

Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6952
So you don't think that the fact that the article contradicts itself through it's sources has any relevance?
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6920|Global Command

Bubbalo wrote:

So you don't think that the fact that the article contradicts itself through it's sources has any relevance?
Sure.
One could argue that the Earth isn't round.


It's fodder for debate, take it as it is.
>LOD<Dougalachi
Teh_Complainer
+85|6946|An Hour North of Indy

crimson_grunt wrote:

ATG wrote:

Fine. No more Islam threads for a while.
Wow you lasted 2 whole weeks I'm impressed
i knew ATG had said something like that a little while ago!!!
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6920|Global Command
Well, I waited two weeks.
If you have a problem with it...( implied that you stick you head up your...)

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