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Kukulcan wrote:

BALTINS wrote:

Kukulcan wrote:

Saddam killed thousands of Kurds , US governament killed thousands of vietnamese ...... who is better?

WHAT DOES VIETNAM HAS TO DO WITH THAT? All i hear is stuff about the past, goddamn I have a good note in history, I don't need that. It's about now. Saddam is responsible for the death of many innocent people, which does not make him very attractive to the families of the killed, which are Iraqis.

Those vietnamese were innocent too... they found in cross fire. Vietcongs were very cruel but at least they didn't slaughter their people.

Massacre at Hue.. and again stop talking about vietnam

Kukulcan wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Kukulcan wrote:

Gassed... killed by bullets and white fire. There is difference? It's a semantical question as we say here.

One was during war, one was not.

A dead civilian is a dead civilian , it has no sense.

Agree.  But one happen by mistake and one happens on purpose.

Kukulcan wrote:

Teebaggs1 wrote:

Kukulcan wrote:

I mean  : you surely have a strong military as some other nations. Does this give you the right to feel superior only basing on the strenght of military ? There are many other things that make great a nation , ill say some :

- Past Culture
- Great History
- Civil Rights

and the list can go on.

Italy has a great culture as the us , but you still have a crime against human mankind , for me : The Capital Law. In italy we abolished it many years ago.

You must be uneducated about your past then.   Let's take Caesar and your Roman Empire history for example.  The Roman Empire killed thousands if not hundreds of thousands during its existence (and no I'm not just talking about in their wars).  http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/romestat.htm

Next, shall we take Mussolini?  Organized executions of groups of people during the Ethopia conquest - 1920s and 30s.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

Lastly, please eloborate on the "crime on human mankind."  I showed you the statistics of Italy vs American war crimes during the Iraq war (a few pages earlier in this discussion) and the number showed that Italy, per soldier in the theatre, had a higher ratio of crimes/rapes/etc then the US...or did you forget to read that part cause it it didn't support your agenda?

If we want to look in the past of our nations i could speak of the fact that your ''land of liberty'' didn't consider the black people human at all?

Italy has a long history , much longer than yours , but this is not the point. Did you know that the roman empire putted the bases for all future civilazition? And that built sewer systems still used nowadays? And roads too , that are still in use. They brought civilization in Europe and middle east.

With strenght , i admit. But if you judge america , your nation , a civil nation , also the Roman Empire was... they are very similar .... imperialism is the key.

During medieval times italy was the center of the culture in europe , we saved the major parts of written texts from roman times and conserved them for the future. If you can read many books of the ancient times is also thank to us.

Italy has always been one of the focal points of culture , in Europe. We have great history.

Just to speak of mussolini , beyond sending our nations to suicide by allying with the Nazis , he did many good things. As render fertile many regions flooded by swamps.

My city , Rimini , has many things from the Roman times , it was the second city after rome itself in europe. We can date some of our buildings to roman times

Can you do the same thing?

You want to speak about italian history? I think a bit more prepared than you in this field... maybe because i AM italian

I think you're totally missing the point.  And arguing about whether my city is better then your city is kindergarden/childish.  Many Americans can trace their lineage back to the Roman Empire so does that make your city better then theirs?  I think not.

My point was that you keep harping on the fact that America is bad, America has done war crimes, Italy is better cause they don't do war crimes etc.  I wanted to open your eyes and make you realize that, yes indeed America has done war crimes which we are not proud of....but so has Italy.  You are not "holier than thou" so to speak.   You said, and I quote, "but you still have a crime against human mankind."  Yeah....again, so does Italy.  Example:

"The predominant part of the work of repression was carried out by Italians who, besides the bombs laced with mustard gas, instituted forced labor camps, installed public gallows, killed hostages, and mutilated the corpses of their enemies.[9] Graziani ordered the elimination of captured guerrillas by way of throwing them out of airplanes in mid-flight. Many Italian troops had themselves photographed next to cadavers hanging from the gallows or hanging around chests full of decapitated heads. "  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

And your argument about being Italian makes you automatically an expert on Italian History is laughable.  I once read a book about aerophysiology and I live near an airport (and actually flew in a plane a few times) but does this make me an expert on the subject?  Hardly!

This has gone on long enough.

The topic at hand is over a year old, the OP needed to do a search before posting.

Everyone else who posted nothing but insults and baseless information, I suggest you rethink posting in the Debate and Serious Talk forum in the future.