From the choice of topics to the the topics that get derailed to talk about America...... go figure.Vilham wrote:
lol its sad that your media brainwashes you. Its only in America that there is this crack pot "everyone is out to get us" idea.
Poll
Islamophobia: The New Anti-Semitism?
| Yes | 53% | 53% - 67 | ||||
| No | 46% | 46% - 59 | ||||
| Total: 126 | ||||||
Well, you're insane. You clearly aren't studying maths, or you'd realise that since you can't get a mortgage with 44 grand of regular loan you will be pouring the next 10 years down the drain in rent as well as interest.Vilham wrote:
No where in Nottingham has jobs for uni students that are 2 hour shifts. I intend to have a life while at uni, once im out im gunna have to work my ass off even more, so im up for having fun now. The students loan is MAX 3 grand a year, the rest has to be done on normal loans with normal interest, thats 8 grand a year of normal loans. By the end of uni thats 32 grand with 4 years interest on 8 grand, 3 years on 8 grand, 2 years on 8 grand, 1 year on 8 grand. And seeing as i cant pay back 44 grand straight off there will be more interest to come.
I dont know what your course was like but i work. I dont intend to spend my time off in the evenings and at weekends when im not doing coursework or revising for exams working in a job.
And anyway, the loan for the top-up fees is also interest free (inflation capped), so that's actually £6k interest free.
I was happy to do 50-80 hours work in a week of lectures/coursework/work, because at least now I've finished with less than £2k regular debt which I've almost paid back, six months after graduating. When I first started uni I worked the 5pm-10pm shift doing data entry 5 days a week, until I found something better paid with more humane hours (e.g. my study days). I made the study up in the evening. Plus the other 26 weeks of non-term time were handy for cash boosts.
Although I don't agree with lowing on much, I really do think you are going to be in for a big reality check in the next few years. University is a dos in the UK, particularly if you borrow massively in order to live beyond your means rather than trying to break even and still have a decent life. I went clubbing at least 2 or 3 times a month through most of my degree, and smoked more weed than most of my year put together, but I also worked harder than most of them put together. There were some people who worked as hard or harder than me, and they also got sweet jobs and didn't end up with huge debts. The people with 10 credit cards usually ended up dropping out.
I didn't ask for a "victor's" version, I asked for ANY versiontopal63 wrote:
Are you trying to be dense(?) - is it deliberate?lowing wrote:
No he says if Japan won the war, they would persue it as a crime against humanity. However, Japan would never admit Nanking as any such crime would they? Also it was a war Jaoan started. There is a lot to be said for that whether you like it or not. There is also a ton to be said for the loss of life that would have occured on both sides given the tenasity of the Japanese. I won't let your slanted take on the BIG picture of that era to go unchallenged.
How much is your "facts" worth when you have been shown that Japan DID NOT surrender before the bombings ( direct proof from your statement that they had) and your lack of acknowledgment of it.
Being the victor - does not change the ethic.
The victor may write history - but the actions taken dictate the ethic. There is no slant. It is simply history that has happened.
If the WAR objective defined is - unconditional surrender of Japan. Then the WAR is not won until that objective is met. That means the US would reject any other form of surrender; continue bombing Japan - avoid a land invasion - and target civilians indefinitely. It is easy to understand. Even the good guys do bad things in so-called just Wars.
Ohh good, another college kid. How much does Mommy and Daddy pay in tuition nowa days??Vilham wrote:
lol way to personal attack me. Just for your info im at uni. I pay bills. Suck my balls. Im sure there are plenty of books that paint the only nuking ever of a country as a crime against humanity, you naive twat.lowing wrote:
Show me ANY text book that has America's action in WW2 as terrorism or crimes against humanity then.Vilham wrote:
Lowing are you that naive? The winning side writes history, it doesn't make it right.
I am probably older than you are pal, you probably still are in school and has not even paid a fucking mortgage yet. So please stop trying to talk down to me as if you have a clue about REAL life.
Wow, kind of hard to put down America when you obviously know nothing about us. The "media" here is almost entirely leftist socialist. They want us to lose. ( Although they will be the first to die if the Islamofascicts take over here)Vilham wrote:
lol its sad that your media brainwashes you. Its only in America that there is this crack pot "everyone is out to get us" idea.
NOT ALL MUSLUMS ARE TERRORISTS..... but all terrorists are muslum
Bollocks.SealXo wrote:
NOT ALL MUSLUMS ARE TERRORISTS..... but all terrorists are muslum
No its not. THE MAXIMUM LOAN IS 3 GRAND. END OF! You didnt even pay top up fees, so tbh you dont know wtf you are talking about. Wow your student life was pointless if you only went out 2 or 3 times a MONTH. I dont have a single credit card. No one i know has dropped out due to debt. You term being 26 weeks is also further proof that what ever course YOU did or uni YOU went to was a joke. I have 40 weeks of term, that still leaves large amounts of holiday which i work my ass off in, to pay for multiple other things that i have to support, like my car insurance and general car upkeep. Basically I think you trying to compare your uni days to mine is pretty pointless, as nothing you are trying to compare is similar.UON wrote:
Well, you're insane. You clearly aren't studying maths, or you'd realise that since you can't get a mortgage with 44 grand of regular loan you will be pouring the next 10 years down the drain in rent as well as interest.Vilham wrote:
No where in Nottingham has jobs for uni students that are 2 hour shifts. I intend to have a life while at uni, once im out im gunna have to work my ass off even more, so im up for having fun now. The students loan is MAX 3 grand a year, the rest has to be done on normal loans with normal interest, thats 8 grand a year of normal loans. By the end of uni thats 32 grand with 4 years interest on 8 grand, 3 years on 8 grand, 2 years on 8 grand, 1 year on 8 grand. And seeing as i cant pay back 44 grand straight off there will be more interest to come.
I dont know what your course was like but i work. I dont intend to spend my time off in the evenings and at weekends when im not doing coursework or revising for exams working in a job.
And anyway, the loan for the top-up fees is also interest free (inflation capped), so that's actually £6k interest free.
I was happy to do 50-80 hours work in a week of lectures/coursework/work, because at least now I've finished with less than £2k regular debt which I've almost paid back, six months after graduating. When I first started uni I worked the 5pm-10pm shift doing data entry 5 days a week, until I found something better paid with more humane hours (e.g. my study days). I made the study up in the evening. Plus the other 26 weeks of non-term time were handy for cash boosts.
Although I don't agree with lowing on much, I really do think you are going to be in for a big reality check in the next few years. University is a dos in the UK, particularly if you borrow massively in order to live beyond your means rather than trying to break even and still have a decent life. I went clubbing at least 2 or 3 times a month through most of my degree, and smoked more weed than most of my year put together, but I also worked harder than most of them put together. There were some people who worked as hard or harder than me, and they also got sweet jobs and didn't end up with huge debts. The people with 10 credit cards usually ended up dropping out.
and 2 people have given quotes. So you lose this argument you are trying to hold onto very badly.lowing wrote:
I didn't ask for a "victor's" version, I asked for ANY versiontopal63 wrote:
Are you trying to be dense(?) - is it deliberate?lowing wrote:
No he says if Japan won the war, they would persue it as a crime against humanity. However, Japan would never admit Nanking as any such crime would they? Also it was a war Jaoan started. There is a lot to be said for that whether you like it or not. There is also a ton to be said for the loss of life that would have occured on both sides given the tenasity of the Japanese. I won't let your slanted take on the BIG picture of that era to go unchallenged.
How much is your "facts" worth when you have been shown that Japan DID NOT surrender before the bombings ( direct proof from your statement that they had) and your lack of acknowledgment of it.
Being the victor - does not change the ethic.
The victor may write history - but the actions taken dictate the ethic. There is no slant. It is simply history that has happened.
If the WAR objective defined is - unconditional surrender of Japan. Then the WAR is not won until that objective is met. That means the US would reject any other form of surrender; continue bombing Japan - avoid a land invasion - and target civilians indefinitely. It is easy to understand. Even the good guys do bad things in so-called just Wars.
nothing you idiot... learn to read....lowing wrote:
Ohh good, another college kid. How much does Mommy and Daddy pay in tuition nowa days??Vilham wrote:
lol way to personal attack me. Just for your info im at uni. I pay bills. Suck my balls. Im sure there are plenty of books that paint the only nuking ever of a country as a crime against humanity, you naive twat.lowing wrote:
Show me ANY text book that has America's action in WW2 as terrorism or crimes against humanity then.
I am probably older than you are pal, you probably still are in school and has not even paid a fucking mortgage yet. So please stop trying to talk down to me as if you have a clue about REAL life.
Well please explain why so far its been pretty much only Americans saying that in vague terms Muslim = Terrorist. I also know rather alot about you as I have a large extended family in America.gun.KingRat wrote:
Wow, kind of hard to put down America when you obviously know nothing about us. The "media" here is almost entirely leftist socialist. They want us to lose. ( Although they will be the first to die if the Islamofascicts take over here)Vilham wrote:
lol its sad that your media brainwashes you. Its only in America that there is this crack pot "everyone is out to get us" idea.
Not to mention that UK has a big Muslim immigration. If I'm wrong correct me, but it seems to me that Brits aren't much afraid of them blowing shit.Vilham wrote:
Well please explain why so far its been pretty much only Americans saying that in vague terms Muslim = Terrorist. I also know rather alot about you as I have a large extended family in America.gun.KingRat wrote:
Wow, kind of hard to put down America when you obviously know nothing about us. The "media" here is almost entirely leftist socialist. They want us to lose. ( Although they will be the first to die if the Islamofascicts take over here)Vilham wrote:
lol its sad that your media brainwashes you. Its only in America that there is this crack pot "everyone is out to get us" idea.
my heart-felt thanks to Pug for trying to get this debate back on topic. Can we please stop debating college loans in a thread about Islamophobia ?Pug wrote:
That would refer to the number of attacks, not the number of terrorists.Vilham wrote:
No thats ignorance. Never heard of ETA or the IRA? Carried out FAR more terrorist attacks than Muslim terrorists.Chappy556 wrote:
Not every Muslim is a terrorist but nearly all terrorists are Muslims - that's not racial profiling, that's common sense
As you pointed out earlier, this thread is so far gone....
In an attempt to get back to the topic...
No one reacted much to my earlier point "which is stronger? Islamophobia or Western-phobia in the Middle East?"
I would think that Islamophobia didn't really have a start until 9/11. Up until that point I was thinking...wow the Middle East is screwy...not my problem. Or wow, they are burning an effigy of the president in Iran...haha loonies.
So is this a chicken & egg scenario? Because I contend that most of the American public could give a crap about the Middle East until 9/11...now the entire world is obsessed with it.
Hatred for the West has been there for a very long time. So now we even the hate/phobia scale? Well...yeah...eventually it was going to happen right? Especially if provoked?
But how is this different from the Middle East hating us?
It's okay for the Middle East to hate us, but not the other way around? How many years have we failed to improve relations in that region? I always felt it was like the US was knocking on that door over and over again...
Now, with regard to Pug's question, which is stronger, Islamophobia or Wester-phobia, I think it should be noted that phobias are considered illnesses of the mind, if I am not mistaken. As such, I don't think they should play a role in determining wether a particular group of people poses a threat to anyone.
That's like asking a convicted child molestor to work in a kindergarden. Bad things are going to happen.
Nevertheless, given modern history ( 20th century ), the middle eastern countries certainly have suffered more western-based imperialism than vice versa. The western superpowers have a long history of interfering with the internal affairs of countries such as Iran, Iraq, Saudi-Arabia, Afghanistan, etc..
The reasons were mostly economic in the beginning ( because of the fact that most ME nations have oil ) but have turned more strategic lately.
And the continued support for Israel is just another issue that tends to make middle eastern arabs angry when they think about western nations.
Given our track record, I think it is safe to say that they have suffered a lot more under western imperialism ( be it culturally, economically, or colonially ) than we have ever had to endure from them.
Of course, this is no justification for committing terrorist acts, but I can see where this hatred might stem from.
The other aspect to consider is Islam. There is a considerable dicussion going on, wether Islam is a religion of peace or not. Opinions vary. Personally, I believe that any religion has the potential to be misused or misinterpreted to make its followers believe that they should kill non-believers in its name.
That was the case with christianity also, back in the middle ages. Things have changed in the meantime, and today, we tend to not kill in the name of christianity any more ( some exceptions, though ).
Islam, however, is around 600 years younger than christianity, with mohamad believed to be born in the 7th century AD, and the Qu'ran conceived at about the same time ( exact dates vary, but are all in the 7th century ).
Thus, as far as a modern interpretation of their religion goes, muslims still have a lot of catching up to do.
"Modern" Islam is not what "modern" Christianity is. Some will even argue that Islam is stuck in the middle ages, showing no sign of progress or evolution.
I don't think that is the case though. The majority of muslims worldwide is living in peace and those who commit terrorist acts in the name of Islam are tiny minority.
The more we paint them all with one brush ( I hope that's the correct metaphor ), the more we will alienate those muslims who are peaceful, and have no intention to do us harm.
As usual, generalizations do not help solve anything, but are bound to make the situation worse.
Am I afraid of muslims ? Hell no. As it stands, I am more likely to have my face smashed in by a white guy in a bar fight, than getting attacked by a german muslim for religious reasons.
Conclusion: Islamophobia is just that, an illness of the mind. Don't fall for it.
can we cut out the personal attacks please. That goes for both of you, and I don't care who started it. This is no school yard. You either discuss the topic at hand with some decency and respect for other members, or you will be removed from these forums.Vilham wrote:
nothing you idiot... learn to read....lowing wrote:
Ohh good, another college kid. How much does Mommy and Daddy pay in tuition nowa days??Vilham wrote:
lol way to personal attack me. Just for your info im at uni. I pay bills. Suck my balls. Im sure there are plenty of books that paint the only nuking ever of a country as a crime against humanity, you naive twat.
thank you.
QFT Nicely put B.Schuss and well thought out post, this is whats needed more of in the debate section, posts put like this and less ranting.B.Schuss wrote:
my heart-felt thanks to Pug for trying to get this debate back on topic. Can we please stop debating college loans in a thread about Islamophobia ?Pug wrote:
That would refer to the number of attacks, not the number of terrorists.Vilham wrote:
No thats ignorance. Never heard of ETA or the IRA? Carried out FAR more terrorist attacks than Muslim terrorists.
As you pointed out earlier, this thread is so far gone....
In an attempt to get back to the topic...
No one reacted much to my earlier point "which is stronger? Islamophobia or Western-phobia in the Middle East?"
I would think that Islamophobia didn't really have a start until 9/11. Up until that point I was thinking...wow the Middle East is screwy...not my problem. Or wow, they are burning an effigy of the president in Iran...haha loonies.
So is this a chicken & egg scenario? Because I contend that most of the American public could give a crap about the Middle East until 9/11...now the entire world is obsessed with it.
Hatred for the West has been there for a very long time. So now we even the hate/phobia scale? Well...yeah...eventually it was going to happen right? Especially if provoked?
But how is this different from the Middle East hating us?
It's okay for the Middle East to hate us, but not the other way around? How many years have we failed to improve relations in that region? I always felt it was like the US was knocking on that door over and over again...
Now, with regard to Pug's question, which is stronger, Islamophobia or Wester-phobia, I think it should be noted that phobias are considered illnesses of the mind, if I am not mistaken. As such, I don't think they should play a role in determining wether a particular group of people poses a threat to anyone.
That's like asking a convicted child molestor to work in a kindergarden. Bad things are going to happen.
Nevertheless, given modern history ( 20th century ), the middle eastern countries certainly have suffered more western-based imperialism than vice versa. The western superpowers have a long history of interfering with the internal affairs of countries such as Iran, Iraq, Saudi-Arabia, Afghanistan, etc..
The reasons were mostly economic in the beginning ( because of the fact that most ME nations have oil ) but have turned more strategic lately.
And the continued support for Israel is just another issue that tends to make middle eastern arabs angry when they think about western nations.
Given our track record, I think it is safe to say that they have suffered a lot more under western imperialism ( be it culturally, economically, or colonially ) than we have ever had to endure from them.
Of course, this is no justification for committing terrorist acts, but I can see where this hatred might stem from.
The other aspect to consider is Islam. There is a considerable dicussion going on, wether Islam is a religion of peace or not. Opinions vary. Personally, I believe that any religion has the potential to be misused or misinterpreted to make its followers believe that they should kill non-believers in its name.
That was the case with christianity also, back in the middle ages. Things have changed in the meantime, and today, we tend to not kill in the name of christianity any more ( some exceptions, though ).
Islam, however, is around 600 years younger than christianity, with mohamad believed to be born in the 7th century AD, and the Qu'ran conceived at about the same time ( exact dates vary, but are all in the 7th century ).
Thus, as far as a modern interpretation of their religion goes, muslims still have a lot of catching up to do.
"Modern" Islam is not what "modern" Christianity is. Some will even argue that Islam is stuck in the middle ages, showing no sign of progress or evolution.
I don't think that is the case though. The majority of muslims worldwide is living in peace and those who commit terrorist acts in the name of Islam are tiny minority.
The more we paint them all with one brush ( I hope that's the correct metaphor ), the more we will alienate those muslims who are peaceful, and have no intention to do us harm.
As usual, generalizations do not help solve anything, but are bound to make the situation worse.
Am I afraid of muslims ? Hell no. As it stands, I am more likely to have my face smashed in by a white guy in a bar fight, than getting attacked by a german muslim for religious reasons.
Conclusion: Islamophobia is just that, an illness of the mind. Don't fall for it.
Your right, because only a tiny minority does, we dont intend to live in fear like certain other countries seem to be doing. We also dont intend to blame a whole religion based on a few nuts.sergeriver wrote:
Not to mention that UK has a big Muslim immigration. If I'm wrong correct me, but it seems to me that Brits aren't much afraid of them blowing shit.Vilham wrote:
Well please explain why so far its been pretty much only Americans saying that in vague terms Muslim = Terrorist. I also know rather alot about you as I have a large extended family in America.gun.KingRat wrote:
Wow, kind of hard to put down America when you obviously know nothing about us. The "media" here is almost entirely leftist socialist. They want us to lose. ( Although they will be the first to die if the Islamofascicts take over here)
sorry. He was the one who started slagging me off.. so im gunna defend myself, the UON just randomly jumped in...B.Schuss wrote:
can we cut out the personal attacks please. That goes for both of you, and I don't care who started it. This is no school yard. You either discuss the topic at hand with some decency and respect for other members, or you will be removed from these forums.Vilham wrote:
nothing you idiot... learn to read....lowing wrote:
Ohh good, another college kid. How much does Mommy and Daddy pay in tuition nowa days??
thank you.
Vilham wrote:
sorry. He was the one who started slagging me off.. so im gunna defend myself, the UON just randomly jumped in...
B.Schuss wrote:
That goes for both of you, and I don't care who started it. This is no school yard. You either discuss the topic at hand with some decency and respect for other members, or you will be removed from these forums.
This is not about who started it. Defending yourself is fine and certainly your right, but if you also break the forum rules while defending yourself, your argument isn't the best.Vilham wrote:
sorry. He was the one who started slagging me off.. so im gunna defend myself, the UON just randomly jumped in...B.Schuss wrote:
can we cut out the personal attacks please. That goes for both of you, and I don't care who started it. This is no school yard. You either discuss the topic at hand with some decency and respect for other members, or you will be removed from these forums.Vilham wrote:
nothing you idiot... learn to read....
thank you.
If you feel that you have been verbally abused by another member, report the post and we will deal with it. Lashing out is an understandable reaction, but usually doesn't help resolve the issue at hand, and is also bound to stir up more trouble and make things worse.
De-escalation is the order of the day here. And that goes for everybody.
forgive me for not reading back the 15 or so pages in this thread but a phobia is a fear of something, anti-semites call for the death of all jews, not really equivalent
i would gladly agree with the Muslims that theirs is a religion of peace when the mullahs and imams come out and say those extremists strapping bombs to their kids are bad and to knock it off...as of yet, hasn't happened. terrorism isn't a battle strategy, its a political tool...one those of us in western civilization will never understand or agree with
i would gladly agree with the Muslims that theirs is a religion of peace when the mullahs and imams come out and say those extremists strapping bombs to their kids are bad and to knock it off...as of yet, hasn't happened. terrorism isn't a battle strategy, its a political tool...one those of us in western civilization will never understand or agree with
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I agree. However as a former employee of an university, and a current employee of a company with very close ties to both the major universitys in my local area, I feel obliged to clear up a few misleading statements which might put people off attending university in the UK:B.Schuss wrote:
This is not about who started it. Defending yourself is fine and certainly your right, but if you also break the forum rules while defending yourself, your argument isn't the best.Vilham wrote:
sorry. He was the one who started slagging me off.. so im gunna defend myself, the UON just randomly jumped in...B.Schuss wrote:
can we cut out the personal attacks please. That goes for both of you, and I don't care who started it. This is no school yard. You either discuss the topic at hand with some decency and respect for other members, or you will be removed from these forums.
thank you.
If you feel that you have been verbally abused by another member, report the post and we will deal with it. Lashing out is an understandable reaction, but usually doesn't help resolve the issue at hand, and is also bound to stir up more trouble and make things worse.
De-escalation is the order of the day here. And that goes for everybody.
I worked as tech support/development for my uni as my 52 week placement during the period when top-up fees were introduced, I was actually expected to know about the new system as part of my job, so as to be able to direct people to the correct place/website when they turned up at the tech support desk with stupid question about why they haven't got any cash yet (trust me, they did). You now get around a £3200 maintence loan and a £3000 fee loan from the SLC, which is capped to inflation. I stopped working as tech support when I graduated 6 months ago, so I really doubt much has changed. And the standard teaching calendar at almost every uni in the UK is 26-28 weeks, once you deduct the holidays from the 40 week academic year. There may be a few more exam weeks depending on course. If you have coursework to do during the holidays, then you haven't managed your time well, the 35-38 hour week is designed to include the coursework. The teaching weeks are almost always spread over 2 semesters. You don't need to borrow privately on the scale Vilham indicated, with a little effort you can finish with little more than the standard student debt and also have a good time. Anyway, don't be put off, it's hard work if you do it right, but it's worth it. Don't think you need to keep up just because some people borrow far beyond their means. There are a few on every course, and in my personal experience they don't last it out to the very end.
Don't be put off by anything anyone says.
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So your content to let a few nuts run loose because they are a minority? Or do you catch them and punish them? But how can you if they run and hide amongst the normal population? Seems like you do have a problem. You just don't see it because you haven't been hit hard enough.Vilham wrote:
Your right, because only a tiny minority does, we dont intend to live in fear like certain other countries seem to be doing. We also dont intend to blame a whole religion based on a few nuts.sergeriver wrote:
Not to mention that UK has a big Muslim immigration. If I'm wrong correct me, but it seems to me that Brits aren't much afraid of them blowing shit.Vilham wrote:
Well please explain why so far its been pretty much only Americans saying that in vague terms Muslim = Terrorist. I also know rather alot about you as I have a large extended family in America.
Oh we the British people are truly sorry July 7 wasn't too much of an event for you.rawls2 wrote:
So your content to let a few nuts run loose because they are a minority? Or do you catch them and punish them? But how can you if they run and hide amongst the normal population? Seems like you do have a problem. You just don't see it because you haven't been hit hard enough.Vilham wrote:
Your right, because only a tiny minority does, we dont intend to live in fear like certain other countries seem to be doing. We also dont intend to blame a whole religion based on a few nuts.sergeriver wrote:
Not to mention that UK has a big Muslim immigration. If I'm wrong correct me, but it seems to me that Brits aren't much afraid of them blowing shit.
Or is it only American lives you give a shit about?
fuckwit.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Aah, did I stike a nerve? Ooh, did I hurt your pathetic little feelings? Im sorry, I'll stop picking on poor little muslims since you love them so much. Your opinions, in that tiny little brain, that condone the actions of July 7 is a slap in the face to all those who lost their lives that day. When they start kidnapping Brits to execute on the internet I hope they get you first.m3thod wrote:
Oh we the British people are truly sorry July 7 wasn't too much of an event for you.rawls2 wrote:
So your content to let a few nuts run loose because they are a minority? Or do you catch them and punish them? But how can you if they run and hide amongst the normal population? Seems like you do have a problem. You just don't see it because you haven't been hit hard enough.Vilham wrote:
Your right, because only a tiny minority does, we dont intend to live in fear like certain other countries seem to be doing. We also dont intend to blame a whole religion based on a few nuts.
Or is it only American lives you give a shit about?
fuckwit.
I'm sorry, but they won't capture Brits... They'll just nuke them along with the USA when given the chance. Hasta Luego!!rawls2 wrote:
Aah, did I stike a nerve? Ooh, did I hurt your pathetic little feelings? Im sorry, I'll stop picking on poor little muslims since you love them so much. Your opinions, in that tiny little brain, that condone the actions of July 7 is a slap in the face to all those who lost their lives that day. When they start kidnapping Brits to execute on the internet I hope they get you first.m3thod wrote:
Oh we the British people are truly sorry July 7 wasn't too much of an event for you.rawls2 wrote:
So your content to let a few nuts run loose because they are a minority? Or do you catch them and punish them? But how can you if they run and hide amongst the normal population? Seems like you do have a problem. You just don't see it because you haven't been hit hard enough.
Or is it only American lives you give a shit about?
fuckwit.