BF2S Forums The West and Islamophobia: the New Anti-Semitism?

rawls2 wrote:

topal63 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

So its not just Americans, it's the whole world. I wonder why and if there is justification for these thoughts, hmmm, 9/11, Madrid, Bahli, etc, etc.

So you're saying it's justifiable to feel this way? To be phobic. It certainly seems so...

Considering you think Islamaphobia is justified:

What actions are justified in your opinion, please be specific and use numbers, because were are talking about an "eye for an eye" type retribution - even when the assumption is prevention.

Tell me how the Iraq invasion was justified - and that this lop-sided pummeling at that hands of an utterly superior super-power was an act of righteousness.

What's your point?
Islamics kill 3000 people on 9/11 and I can't feel any fear towards that. Are you brain dead? No one brought up Iraq so neither will I. As far as the Israeli/Palestinian conflict goes, I believe in the Bible so that will tell you who I side with.

rawls2 wrote:

You wrote alot to say nothing. It is stupid not to fear muslims. They have commited hundreds of attacks all in the name of their religion. What is so hard to understand? I feel sorry for the majority of them that don't commit violence but it is what it is. The extremist have waged war with the west and now the rest will suffer.

Spark wrote:

I've said it before, I'll say it several times again.

Indonesia doesn't exist.
Indonesia doesn't exist.
Indonesia doesn't exist.
Indonesia doesn't exist.
Indonesia doesn't exist.
Indonesia doesn't exist.
Indonesia doesn't exist.

Keep on repeating it, you guys.

LaidBackNinja wrote:

Fen321 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Oh, does this mean you are going to stop trying to re-write history by saying the US bombing of Japan was a terrorist act??

Bro i suggest you take a brief look at the particular reasoning behind the usage of the bomb. One of which was to INSTILL TERROR, imagine if you were playing a bluffing mans game and you have 3 Nuclear bombs...which was all the US had at the time, you want to scare the living shit out of the enemy hence its usage. Terror is instill by the fact that the US could destroy the entire country, granted it was perceived by the Japanese that we had an unlimited arsenal, but we didn't so the visual effects of the actual bombing does a great deal of helping the situation for unconditional surrender. Yet, it can be disputed that the bombings themselves was icing on the cake since the Japanese forces had been pretty much devastated by tactical bombings, not to mention the FIRE BOMBING of cities through out Japan which were predominantly CIVILIAN targets, hence TERROR. Of course its not in the same sense as terrorist today, but still you are instilling terror into the population in order to stimulate some sort of action on their part and end the devastation through pleadings with their government.

Terror acts are NOT exclusive to Muslim nations, although I'm sure you would LOVE to find a way to argue this, hence the usage of the bomb was both strategic in the sense to instill a sense of imminent destruction upon your entire country, tactical in terms of instilling fear within the targeted areas in order to fulfill the greater strategic objective.

I know its depressing to come to the realization that Nuclear weapons have a terror aspect to them, as do most other conventional weapons, but it is silly to argue that the dropping of the bomb was done in order to destroy JUST the facilities it was dropped on and not instill terror/fear of more bombings later on.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were hardly millitary targets. They could have nuked any military base, but they chose to hit two civilian population centers. Draw your own conclusions.

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lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yeah?? Where were ya arguing against it when your brethren was making such bullshit claims??

Lowing when I read your posts I remember Brian Dennehy in First Blood.  You seem to be yelling all the time and you aren't polite at all, you are confused and that makes you say the wrong stuff.

Enlighten me on what I am confused about. Are you saying I MUST be confused because I think all of your posts about America being a terrorist state is bullshit? Your opinion means dick when it does not agree with the FACTS of history. Japan's bombing was not a terrorist attack. For you all to suggest it is complete bullshit and a desporate attempt to try and hold your bullshit opinions together with ANYTHING you can find.

sergeriver wrote:

So Truman is a an angel because he struggled with the decision?  He did it despite the moral dilemma he might have had.  Is he considered a terrorist?  No.  Did he commit a crime against humanity?  Yes.

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Bertster7 wrote:

It's not the hate crimes aspect that worries me. It's persecution of a particular religious or ethnic group on a state level. I bet there are figures showing that more Muslims have had their civil liberties infringed than Jews.

rawls2 wrote:

topal63 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

What's your point?
Islamics kill 3000 people on 9/11 and I can't feel any fear towards that. Are you brain dead? No one brought up Iraq so neither will I. As far as the Israeli/Palestinian conflict goes, I believe in the Bible so that will tell you who I side with.

You are free to consider me brain-dead I could care less - what you think.

And Yes, Iraq has been brought up before, you not reading this entire thread, is also of no concern to me. Also do not use 9/11 as a reason for those ignorant things you possess "certainty" or "faith". Clearly terrorism happens - but it is a minor risk in life - in comparison to ALL risk in life (tiny at best).

National security is one-issue, the Israel-Palestine conflict another, ALL untenable-theories of events surrounding 9/11 another, Jihad in the Koran another, your traditionally held beliefs about the Bible another, the Iraq invasion another, fear mongering and demonizing another, etc.

You say Muslims killed 3000+ people on 9/11 therefore you are justified, justified in what? It can't be “certainty” that you are the SOLE person who understands the 9/11 Commission Report, and can explain away all the problems associated with it.  It can't be faith in the "Bible" is true; because faith is the absence of reasons, reasoning, proof and knowing - it is  the opposite of TRUTH. Do NOT bring up "faith" it is an untenable position.

“What is justified?” My point is easy to understand, Mr. supposedly Non-Brain-Dead, it cost lives in the end. Perpetuating the fear of Muslims and their ignorant “faith” which is on par with your ignorant “faith” is the issue (and utterly germane to the thread topic).

Ignorant beliefs lead to actions taken - and have done so. Maintaining and perpetuating them - helps continue them. The cost is real human life.

You wrote alot to say nothing. It is stupid not to fear muslims. They have commited hundreds of attacks all in the name of their religion. What is so hard to understand? I feel sorry for the majority of them that don't commit violence but it is what it is. The extremist have waged war with the west and now the rest will suffer.

The extremist have waged war with the west and now the rest will suffer.

Vilham wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Angry young lad you are.

Damn right I cant stand ignorant gun ho people. Who admit to being Islamophobic, kinda like you....

Last edited by usmarine2007 (2007-01-29 19:29:23)

DesertFox423 wrote:

I've still yet to see something that would make me believe this would become the "new" Anti-Semitism.