An AK will fire with mud/dirt/water in it, probably you guys were using the release version from 47 or from around that time. In the Vietnam war the US troops would often swap the M16 for an AK-47. The only problem with this is when they shot a high ranking officer not much suspicion was raised because of the sound of the weapon and the bullet lodged in the guys head. The vietnam war is known very good for the amount of friendly fire they got there.SgtHeihn wrote:
No, the standard rifle for the Marines Corps is the M16A4, the US Army is the same, but they issue more M4s to their troops. Its funny how people are saying the M16 family is old.... The AK family of weapons came out in the Early 50's, the AK-47 was replaced by the AKM and the AKM was replaced by the AK-74 and now??? The M-16's max effective range is 550m on a point target, The AK is only 300m. I'm sick of hearing people quote the M-16 jams, BLAH BLAH BLAH. I had a M16-A4 that I fired a bad round out of that blew the mag out, and bent the ejector well out of wack(i.e. 90degree angle), it went to the armory for 2 days and I took it to the range and was shooting 1in groups with it(yes I had a ACOG). If you clean the M-16 its a great fucking weapon, if you don't....
its your ass Mr. Postman. The same goes for any weapon. We found AK-47s in Iraq that were so fouled up they wouldn't shoot!!! The only weapon I found in Iraq that would shoot with no cleaning, caked with sand, and bad rounds, was a German Mauser K-98(bolt action) with Nazi markings on it from 1943.
Edit: Yes the AK is fun, full auto is a blast but you can't hit shit!!
they have already found a replacement,Spearhead wrote:
Thanks a bunch for the post, Stingray, really cool stuff you found there.
Can anyone find out why they abandoned the M8 project? If they don't like the M16, don't you think they should be looking for replacements as fast as possible? I mean, heck, if it's less popular than the M14, I think they've got a serious problem.....
it's in the firl adjustment phase at the moment and it's called the OICW.
it's scheduled to be issued to every 6th soldier in 2008 and then an increase in number as soon as the produktion get's going properly.
but of course it could be on standby since the gun part of it is mainly the XM8, and it says on this website http://world.guns.ru/assault/as40-e.htm that is has been shelved for some further development later.
I've fired almost all versions of the AK, Russian, Chinese, Hungarian, Romanian, Egyptian and Iraqi. (Romanian were the best)spray_and_pray wrote:
An AK will fire with mud/dirt/water in it, probably you guys were using the release version from 47 or from around that time. In the Vietnam war the US troops would often swap the M16 for an AK-47. The only problem with this is when they shot a high ranking officer not much suspicion was raised because of the sound of the weapon and the bullet lodged in the guys head. The vietnam war is known very good for the amount of friendly fire they got there.SgtHeihn wrote:
No, the standard rifle for the Marines Corps is the M16A4, the US Army is the same, but they issue more M4s to their troops. Its funny how people are saying the M16 family is old.... The AK family of weapons came out in the Early 50's, the AK-47 was replaced by the AKM and the AKM was replaced by the AK-74 and now??? The M-16's max effective range is 550m on a point target, The AK is only 300m. I'm sick of hearing people quote the M-16 jams, BLAH BLAH BLAH. I had a M16-A4 that I fired a bad round out of that blew the mag out, and bent the ejector well out of wack(i.e. 90degree angle), it went to the armory for 2 days and I took it to the range and was shooting 1in groups with it(yes I had a ACOG). If you clean the M-16 its a great fucking weapon, if you don't....
its your ass Mr. Postman. The same goes for any weapon. We found AK-47s in Iraq that were so fouled up they wouldn't shoot!!! The only weapon I found in Iraq that would shoot with no cleaning, caked with sand, and bad rounds, was a German Mauser K-98(bolt action) with Nazi markings on it from 1943.
Edit: Yes the AK is fun, full auto is a blast but you can't hit shit!!
Point 2- Vietnam era M-16 was a POS, it was just coming into widespread service. Standard US Marines and Soldiers were not allowed to carry AK's as personal weapons. LRRP, SF teams, and Force Recon units did use them to confuse enemy units. The M-16 had a distinctive crack, when they used AK's that gave them a couple of extra seconds to escape(NVA and VC units would not know if they were friendly).
Yes later in the Vietnam war there were alot of cases of fragging, most was done with grenades. Firing a weapon, any weapon friendly or enemy was sure to cause alarm unless it was on the wire, a grenade on the other hand was silent until it went off, allowing the perp to escape.
Edit: spelling
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OICW has been in devlopment since I joined the Marines in 1998, its major problem is that it weighs around 20lbs!!motherdear wrote:
they have already found a replacement,Spearhead wrote:
Thanks a bunch for the post, Stingray, really cool stuff you found there.
Can anyone find out why they abandoned the M8 project? If they don't like the M16, don't you think they should be looking for replacements as fast as possible? I mean, heck, if it's less popular than the M14, I think they've got a serious problem.....
it's in the firl adjustment phase at the moment and it's called the OICW.
it's scheduled to be issued to every 6th soldier in 2008 and then an increase in number as soon as the produktion get's going properly.
but of course it could be on standby since the gun part of it is mainly the XM8, and it says on this website http://world.guns.ru/assault/as40-e.htm that is has been shelved for some further development later.
Good reply point taken yet a gun and ammo can be taken while on duty, i'd stick to my decision to thinking AK's are better, wars arent fought at 300 metres thats a snipers job most of it is C&Q where fire rate and caliber count. A point where the M16 has a down fall. Also anything over i'd say 200 or so metres would be a snipers job or a bomb run, ive watched video's and documentaries etc all the battles fought at around 500 metres are still spraying bullets and hoping that they hit something because they are being fired at and cant concentrate to shoot. In my oppinion AK still reigns supreme in C&Q basically all sorts of fighting (unless anti sniper). Also we can insert a variant of the G36* one which has been fired over 24,000 times without a clean out and hasn't jammed yet. Have you ever seen how an M16 loads the bullets into the chamber on a 3 round burst at slow motion. The M16 has to be stripped and cleaned every day? or was it twice a day. Not very convenient if you are stuck behind enemy lines.SgtHeihn wrote:
I've fired almost all versions of the AK, Russian, Chinese, Hungarian, Romanian, Egyptian and Iraqi. (Romanian were the best)spray_and_pray wrote:
An AK will fire with mud/dirt/water in it, probably you guys were using the release version from 47 or from around that time. In the Vietnam war the US troops would often swap the M16 for an AK-47. The only problem with this is when they shot a high ranking officer not much suspicion was raised because of the sound of the weapon and the bullet lodged in the guys head. The vietnam war is known very good for the amount of friendly fire they got there.SgtHeihn wrote:
No, the standard rifle for the Marines Corps is the M16A4, the US Army is the same, but they issue more M4s to their troops. Its funny how people are saying the M16 family is old.... The AK family of weapons came out in the Early 50's, the AK-47 was replaced by the AKM and the AKM was replaced by the AK-74 and now??? The M-16's max effective range is 550m on a point target, The AK is only 300m. I'm sick of hearing people quote the M-16 jams, BLAH BLAH BLAH. I had a M16-A4 that I fired a bad round out of that blew the mag out, and bent the ejector well out of wack(i.e. 90degree angle), it went to the armory for 2 days and I took it to the range and was shooting 1in groups with it(yes I had a ACOG). If you clean the M-16 its a great fucking weapon, if you don't....
its your ass Mr. Postman. The same goes for any weapon. We found AK-47s in Iraq that were so fouled up they wouldn't shoot!!! The only weapon I found in Iraq that would shoot with no cleaning, caked with sand, and bad rounds, was a German Mauser K-98(bolt action) with Nazi markings on it from 1943.
Edit: Yes the AK is fun, full auto is a blast but you can't hit shit!!
Point 2- Vietnam era M-16 was a POS, it was just coming into widespread service. Standard US Marines and Soldiers were not allowed to carry AK's as personal weapons. LRRP, SF teams, and Force Recon units did use them to confuse enemy units. The M-16 had a distinctive crack, when they used AK's that gave them a couple of extra seconds to escape(NVA and VC units would not know if they were friendly).
Yes later in the Vietnam war there were alot of cases of fragging, most was done with grenades. Firing a weapon, any weapon friendly or enemy was sure to cause alarm unless it was on the wire, a grenade on the other hand was silent until it went off, allowing the perp to escape.
Edit: spelling
The soldier theirselves are complaining about their rifle , is not me....SgtHeihn wrote:
No, the standard rifle for the Marines Corps is the M16A4, the US Army is the same, but they issue more M4s to their troops. Its funny how people are saying the M16 family is old.... The AK family of weapons came out in the Early 50's, the AK-47 was replaced by the AKM and the AKM was replaced by the AK-74 and now??? The M-16's max effective range is 550m on a point target, The AK is only 300m. I'm sick of hearing people quote the M-16 jams, BLAH BLAH BLAH. I had a M16-A4 that I fired a bad round out of that blew the mag out, and bent the ejector well out of wack(i.e. 90degree angle), it went to the armory for 2 days and I took it to the range and was shooting 1in groups with it(yes I had a ACOG). If you clean the M-16 its a great fucking weapon, if you don't....
its your ass Mr. Postman. The same goes for any weapon. We found AK-47s in Iraq that were so fouled up they wouldn't shoot!!! The only weapon I found in Iraq that would shoot with no cleaning, caked with sand, and bad rounds, was a German Mauser K-98(bolt action) with Nazi markings on it from 1943.
Edit: Yes the AK is fun, full auto is a blast but you can't hit shit!!
Yes the AK family is older than the M16 family , but it is very various ... nowadays exists rifles such as AK-47 , AK - 74 , AK-101 , AK-102 , AK-103 and many others.... they are all similar , and differ in cal and fire mechanism , fundamentally.
The real problem of the M16 is their reliability in combat.... they jam easily in sandy enviroiments... i mean : iraq and afghanistan are some big deserts , so....
Besides this , ak is far more accurate also in the real world , when fired at short controlled bursts....
If you have ever been in the military you shouls know that you should clean your weapon everyday, you don't need to strip it down, just pull the bolt out brush it off and put some CLP on it and slap it back in, take less than a minute to do. The 7.62x39mm round that the AK shoots is not much better than the 5.56mm, the 7.62x51mm is better than both, just kicks like a mule and weighs more per mag. I had 5.56mm match grade in Iraq and they never had any problem putting a man down, the standard 5.56mm has a steel pentrator that only works well versus body armor, the AK is a good weapon, I will admit, but simple comes at a cost... poor accuracy, the mag is a pain to slap in quickly and you don't have a quick attach/detach for optics.
Edit:me in Iraq with a M-16A4, never had it jam, also the only M-16 variation people bitched about was the M-4, we didn't have enough!! The M-16A4 was loved by my unit 3rd BN 5th Marines, a Infantry unit.
Edit:me in Iraq with a M-16A4, never had it jam, also the only M-16 variation people bitched about was the M-4, we didn't have enough!! The M-16A4 was loved by my unit 3rd BN 5th Marines, a Infantry unit.
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No some 5.56mm have steel penetration, correct me if im wrong but this is called a full metal jacket bullet. Then there is a hollowpoint round. Other then what ive seen happening in the balkans (1st hand) and firing a few guns. I wouldn't say I have that much experience in (firing the weapons etc) However I can easily compare calibers, bullet speeds etc. Not as much as a person who has done 3 weeks weapon familiarization but enough to know how to load, change firing modes, aim, shoot, safety a weapon. I also have done a small small course in medicine treating bleeding, treating for shock etc I do know what effects bullets have on people. In the balkan war some used the Thompson just because they had FMJ bullets that could be used in it, this was because of the body armour on some officers.SgtHeihn wrote:
If you have ever been in the military you shouls know that you should clean your weapon everyday, you don't need to strip it down, just pull the bolt out brush it off and put some CLP on it and slap it back in, take less than a minute to do. The 7.62x39mm round that the AK shoots is not much better than the 5.56mm, the 7.62x51mm is better than both, just kicks like a mule and weighs more per mag. I had 5.56mm match grade in Iraq and they never had any problem putting a man down, the standard 5.56mm has a steel pentrator that only works well versus body armor, the AK is a good weapon, I will admit, but simple comes at a cost... poor accuracy, the mag is a pain to slap in quickly and you don't have a quick attach/detach for optics.
Edit:me in Iraq with a M-16A4, never had it jam, also the only M-16 variation people bitched about was the M-4, we didn't have enough!! The M-16A4 was loved by my unit 3rd BN 5th Marines, a Infantry unit.
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If you are a terrorist group chances are you will never use optics. I hope that Ak-47's aren't the only Kaleshnikov's in the market like said before accuracy doesn't mean shit if you are in close range. One of the people I knew suffered multiple bullet wounds from a low caliber automatic rifle he lived now we call him zvaka (chewing gum) he was literally full of holes and survived because the bullets weren't a high enough caliber to do internal damage. This was also done at a close to point blank range. I was fighting for Kaleshnikov all together but lets just ignore the fact that the AK-47 is the most widespread widely used weapon and it has also killed more people then any other weapon ever invented (unless you want to count bullets ) It has a good track record, the M16 I cant say much about you can claim you are a military officer (i dont beleive or dis beleive you) but the guns track record speaks for itself. Even current marines are saying its shit tell me why I should listen to you and I just might. Better be a bloody good reason.
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I'm inclined to believe SgtHeihn since he's been in combat using the weapon in question.
Full metal jacket is a standard round for all calibers, Its called the ball round. The AK-47 was made by the millions. The Soviets threw them at any group saying that they hated the US.
Also I didn't claim to be a Marine Officer, I was a NCO, a Sergant. I spent 8yrs in the Corps.
My MOS was 0311 infantry, 8513 combat instructor, and 8531 Range Coach.
I served with 3rd BN 4th Marines, School of Infantry(west Coast) and 3rd BN 5th Marines.
Also we need to stop. We will go back and forth about which is better, AK or M-16. We have weapons that we both swear by and their is nothing that we can say to change that.
Also I didn't claim to be a Marine Officer, I was a NCO, a Sergant. I spent 8yrs in the Corps.
My MOS was 0311 infantry, 8513 combat instructor, and 8531 Range Coach.
I served with 3rd BN 4th Marines, School of Infantry(west Coast) and 3rd BN 5th Marines.
Also we need to stop. We will go back and forth about which is better, AK or M-16. We have weapons that we both swear by and their is nothing that we can say to change that.
There aren't only these two rifles ... i mean : these are famous , but in the world there are many assault rifles.SgtHeihn wrote:
Full metal jacket is a standard round for all calibers, Its called the ball round. The AK-47 was made by the millions. The Soviets threw them at any group saying that they hated the US.
Also I didn't claim to be a Marine Officer, I was a NCO, a Sergant. I spent 8yrs in the Corps.
My MOS was 0311 infantry, 8513 combat instructor, and 8531 Range Coach.
I served with 3rd BN 4th Marines, School of Infantry(west Coast) and 3rd BN 5th Marines.
Also we need to stop. We will go back and forth about which is better, AK or M-16. We have weapons that we both swear by and their is nothing that we can say to change that.
Also China is producing a new serie of QBZ which will substitute the old Type-56.... also those are good weapons.
In italy i use the Beretta MAB , a good rifle in my opinion.... i mean : it can kill if necessary... ( i never killed anyone )
A3 is hardly used at all, only a few thousand were produced, and while Im not positive the numbers of A2 vs A4 are almost equal if not equal.Kukulcan wrote:
The Type-56 (chinese ak copy )and Type 81 ( modified ak 47 ) , are not very used nowadays in the PLA. They developed all new series of next generation weaponary as the type 95 , whic is rapidly substituting the older type 81.Commie Killer wrote:
Dont seem to know too much about US weaponry so Ill fill you in.Kukulcan wrote:
I think that the United States should refresh their gear.... i mean : the M16 is REALLY old. Ok now it's version A2 , but basically is the same rifle.
It had problem of jamming already during the vietnam war and it keeps jamming...
USA should change their weaponary if they want to stand a chance on the next century battlefields , especially compared to the new age weaponary of nations like china.
They are developing interesting new weapons , however.
1. It is now up to model A4 not A2.
2. The reason it jammed during the first years of Vietnam was because it was labeled as "the rifle that never needed cleaning" so no cleaning kits were issued. Once cleaning kits were issued the problem of guns jamming virtually disappeared.
3. The M16A2/A3/A4 models are all more accurate the most other assault rifles in the world.
4. I would take one of the M16 models over the Type what ever rifle that is pretty much a redesignated AK47 which is used by the large majority of the PLA, PLAN, PLAAF and other branches of there military and government security forces.
Just another tip, dont take things from a video game as if they are facts.
I mean : those thing AREN'T just stone-throwers , no? It's a common place ( as we say in italy ) saying ''China military uses locally produced versions of russian weaponary''.... that's not true nowadays.
In every branch they are devoloping new locally ideated weapons..... and they work great.
One more thing , i don't take thing from videogames.... the more used versions of M16 are still the A2 and the A3...
Last I heard AK47 models were the most common, but that was about a year ago so I dont know.
a3 is not used by conventional forces. period.
Some special forces units use it I think.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
a3 is not used by conventional forces. period.
im sure of that. but special operations are not cinsidered conventional forcesCommie Killer wrote:
Some special forces units use it I think.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
a3 is not used by conventional forces. period.
ahem........NO RIFLE IN THE WORLD WILL FIRE WITHOUT BEING PROPERLY MAINTAINED. if you stick an Ak into a sloppy puddle of mud, all your gonna hear is click clak....the sound of being embarrassed. I have yet to see proof to that stupid adage. the AK is user friendly, ill give you that. but ill take my M16 ANY FRIGGING DAY over the kalishnikov family.spray_and_pray wrote:
An AK will fire with mud/dirt/water in it, probably you guys were using the release version from 47 or from around that time. In the Vietnam war the US troops would often swap the M16 for an AK-47. The only problem with this is when they shot a high ranking officer not much suspicion was raised because of the sound of the weapon and the bullet lodged in the guys head. The vietnam war is known very good for the amount of friendly fire they got there.SgtHeihn wrote:
No, the standard rifle for the Marines Corps is the M16A4, the US Army is the same, but they issue more M4s to their troops. Its funny how people are saying the M16 family is old.... The AK family of weapons came out in the Early 50's, the AK-47 was replaced by the AKM and the AKM was replaced by the AK-74 and now??? The M-16's max effective range is 550m on a point target, The AK is only 300m. I'm sick of hearing people quote the M-16 jams, BLAH BLAH BLAH. I had a M16-A4 that I fired a bad round out of that blew the mag out, and bent the ejector well out of wack(i.e. 90degree angle), it went to the armory for 2 days and I took it to the range and was shooting 1in groups with it(yes I had a ACOG). If you clean the M-16 its a great fucking weapon, if you don't....
its your ass Mr. Postman. The same goes for any weapon. We found AK-47s in Iraq that were so fouled up they wouldn't shoot!!! The only weapon I found in Iraq that would shoot with no cleaning, caked with sand, and bad rounds, was a German Mauser K-98(bolt action) with Nazi markings on it from 1943.
Edit: Yes the AK is fun, full auto is a blast but you can't hit shit!!
A version of the G36* has been fired 24000 times without being cleaned. So lets say 1 rifle in the world will fire without being properly maintained. Hopefully we can add to the list.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
ahem........NO RIFLE IN THE WORLD WILL FIRE WITHOUT BEING PROPERLY MAINTAINED. if you stick an Ak into a sloppy puddle of mud, all your gonna hear is click clak....the sound of being embarrassed. I have yet to see proof to that stupid adage. the AK is user friendly, ill give you that. but ill take my M16 ANY FRIGGING DAY over the kalishnikov family.spray_and_pray wrote:
An AK will fire with mud/dirt/water in it, probably you guys were using the release version from 47 or from around that time. In the Vietnam war the US troops would often swap the M16 for an AK-47. The only problem with this is when they shot a high ranking officer not much suspicion was raised because of the sound of the weapon and the bullet lodged in the guys head. The vietnam war is known very good for the amount of friendly fire they got there.SgtHeihn wrote:
No, the standard rifle for the Marines Corps is the M16A4, the US Army is the same, but they issue more M4s to their troops. Its funny how people are saying the M16 family is old.... The AK family of weapons came out in the Early 50's, the AK-47 was replaced by the AKM and the AKM was replaced by the AK-74 and now??? The M-16's max effective range is 550m on a point target, The AK is only 300m. I'm sick of hearing people quote the M-16 jams, BLAH BLAH BLAH. I had a M16-A4 that I fired a bad round out of that blew the mag out, and bent the ejector well out of wack(i.e. 90degree angle), it went to the armory for 2 days and I took it to the range and was shooting 1in groups with it(yes I had a ACOG). If you clean the M-16 its a great fucking weapon, if you don't....
its your ass Mr. Postman. The same goes for any weapon. We found AK-47s in Iraq that were so fouled up they wouldn't shoot!!! The only weapon I found in Iraq that would shoot with no cleaning, caked with sand, and bad rounds, was a German Mauser K-98(bolt action) with Nazi markings on it from 1943.
Edit: Yes the AK is fun, full auto is a blast but you can't hit shit!!
Missed that sorry.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
im sure of that. but special operations are not cinsidered conventional forcesCommie Killer wrote:
Some special forces units use it I think.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
a3 is not used by conventional forces. period.
i cant speak for things that I havent held and fired or seen in action in person. was it fucking dropped and soaked in the mud or was in a sterile observed environment?spray_and_pray wrote:
A version of the G36* has been fired 24000 times without being cleaned. So lets say 1 rifle in the world will fire without being properly maintained. Hopefully we can add to the list.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
ahem........NO RIFLE IN THE WORLD WILL FIRE WITHOUT BEING PROPERLY MAINTAINED. if you stick an Ak into a sloppy puddle of mud, all your gonna hear is click clak....the sound of being embarrassed. I have yet to see proof to that stupid adage. the AK is user friendly, ill give you that. but ill take my M16 ANY FRIGGING DAY over the kalishnikov family.spray_and_pray wrote:
An AK will fire with mud/dirt/water in it, probably you guys were using the release version from 47 or from around that time. In the Vietnam war the US troops would often swap the M16 for an AK-47. The only problem with this is when they shot a high ranking officer not much suspicion was raised because of the sound of the weapon and the bullet lodged in the guys head. The vietnam war is known very good for the amount of friendly fire they got there.
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I too would like a link.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
i cant speak for things that I havent held and fired or seen in action in person. was it fucking dropped and soaked in the mud or was in a sterile observed environment?
seriously, anybody who doesnt take care of their tool of war deserves to end up at the bad end of some iron sightsusmarine2007 wrote:
I too would like a link.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
i cant speak for things that I havent held and fired or seen in action in person. was it fucking dropped and soaked in the mud or was in a sterile observed environment?
Umm, so that was in a real-world environment, right? No. But good try man.spray_and_pray wrote:
A version of the G36* has been fired 24000 times without being cleaned. So lets say 1 rifle in the world will fire without being properly maintained. Hopefully we can add to the list.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
ahem........NO RIFLE IN THE WORLD WILL FIRE WITHOUT BEING PROPERLY MAINTAINED. if you stick an Ak into a sloppy puddle of mud, all your gonna hear is click clak....the sound of being embarrassed. I have yet to see proof to that stupid adage. the AK is user friendly, ill give you that. but ill take my M16 ANY FRIGGING DAY over the kalishnikov family.spray_and_pray wrote:
An AK will fire with mud/dirt/water in it, probably you guys were using the release version from 47 or from around that time. In the Vietnam war the US troops would often swap the M16 for an AK-47. The only problem with this is when they shot a high ranking officer not much suspicion was raised because of the sound of the weapon and the bullet lodged in the guys head. The vietnam war is known very good for the amount of friendly fire they got there.
Don't know where your getting your info from, but the OICW was canceled in 2004. The military doesn't have any rifles in mind for replacing the M16 at the moment. As I've said earlier they are considering moving to a larger bullet but keeping the M16 platform. As far as I know, the only gun the military is actually considering replacing at the moment is the Beretta.motherdear wrote:
they have already found a replacement,Spearhead wrote:
Thanks a bunch for the post, Stingray, really cool stuff you found there.
Can anyone find out why they abandoned the M8 project? If they don't like the M16, don't you think they should be looking for replacements as fast as possible? I mean, heck, if it's less popular than the M14, I think they've got a serious problem.....
it's in the firl adjustment phase at the moment and it's called the OICW.
it's scheduled to be issued to every 6th soldier in 2008 and then an increase in number as soon as the produktion get's going properly.
but of course it could be on standby since the gun part of it is mainly the XM8, and it says on this website http://world.guns.ru/assault/as40-e.htm that is has been shelved for some further development later.
The M16A3 has a removable carrying handle and the standard hand guards off the A2. I have only seen a couple of them, they are not in widespread serviceCommie Killer wrote:
Missed that sorry.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
im sure of that. but special operations are not cinsidered conventional forcesCommie Killer wrote:
Some special forces units use it I think.
I love the M-16. I have carried it in theater many times and never once did I have major issues with it. Granted, you do have to clean it at least once a day with all that sand everywhere. I do prefer the M-4 as it is lighter but I wouldnt argue if I was forced to carry an M-16. As far as my combat experiance with it goes, it did the job and never jammed when I needed it most. Just ask some of the insurgents and Al-Qaeda members if they think the M-16 is an effective assault rifle. .