Never thought I would say this but.......ROCK ON TED KENNEDY!!
I always had the assumption that he was a douche. Guess I was wrong.
I always had the assumption that he was a douche. Guess I was wrong.
No, you are wrong.
He is a douche bag.
Props for always verbally advocating for the poor but C'mon...the guy is such a douche bag.
He is a douche bag.
Props for always verbally advocating for the poor but C'mon...the guy is such a douche bag.
That's a pretty funny clip. My favorite line is "What is it about it that drives you Republicans crazy?"
Looks like somebody needs another drink?
I don't understand why we can't let the Job market dictate wages. Unemployment is at historic lows. There are plenty of job opportunities. Can't the employee decide who he wants to work for? If an employer is not paying enough just go down the street and work for they guy that is. That will force them to increase wages/benefits. This is just an area I would not like to see government interference.
I don't understand why we can't let the Job market dictate wages. Unemployment is at historic lows. There are plenty of job opportunities. Can't the employee decide who he wants to work for? If an employer is not paying enough just go down the street and work for they guy that is. That will force them to increase wages/benefits. This is just an area I would not like to see government interference.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Kmarion wrote:
Looks like somebody needs another drink?
I don't understand why we can't let the Job market dictate wages. Unemployment is at historic lows. There are plenty of job opportunities. Can't the employee decide who he wants to work for? If an employer is not paying enough just go down the street and work for they guy that is. That will force them to increase wages/benefits. This is just an area I would not like to see government interference.
Wow, very convincing.ATG wrote:
Props for always verbally advocating for the poor but C'mon...the guy is such a douche bag.
Yes because similar jobs don't tend to pay the same, right? If I work as a dishwasher, I can go down the street and make more as a dishwasher there? Wrong.Kmarion wrote:
I don't understand why we can't let the Job market dictate wages. Unemployment is at historic lows. There are plenty of job opportunities. Can't the employee decide who he wants to work for? If an employer is not paying enough just go down the street and work for they guy that is. That will force them to increase wages/benefits. This is just an area I would not like to see government interference.
How about not limiting yourself to washing dishes? Try learning something else, like prep work or line cook. Then , if your current employer is not paying satisfactorily, go down the street to the next place, and with your new skills, make more money. Unless, of course, you think the government should regulate the amount of pay someone gets for spraying off dishes and pushing a rack into a machine.....
It's much simpler than that. When a Job market is doing as well as ours is and unemployment is so low employers are forced to offer incentives to keep/hire employees. Don't screw with the economy when it is doing great.Canin wrote:
How about not limiting yourself to washing dishes? Try learning something else, like prep work or line cook. Then , if your current employer is not paying satisfactorily, go down the street to the next place, and with your new skills, make more money. Unless, of course, you think the government should regulate the amount of pay someone gets for spraying off dishes and pushing a rack into a machine.....
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Xbone Stormsurgezz
Yes, I know. I was just trying to make the point that people shouldnt be expecting a large wage for something as menial as pushing a rack of dishes into a machine. If you want to make more money, you need to learn a better skill and improve your marketability.
Are you suggesting I explain to you the many ways in which TK is a douchebag?JimmyBotswana wrote:
Wow, very convincing.ATG wrote:
Props for always verbally advocating for the poor but C'mon...the guy is such a douche bag.
I'm under no obligation to expend one atom of energy to convince you of anything.
He has his moments...and for the record, the minimum wage should be raised.Cougar wrote:
Never thought I would say this but.......ROCK ON TED KENNEDY!!
I always had the assumption that he was a douche. Guess I was wrong.
To all those that argue people earning minimum wage should get educated, or get another job: sometimes people just aren't able to get more/do more/have the ability to be more. It's a sad fact of life. That's why there is an upper/middle/lower class.
Those are typically the people earning minimum wage, along with students that is...
It's not about personal achievement. Even if "you" decided to become something more than a dishwasher, someone else has to come in and fill in. The point is, there will always minimum wage jobs. Minimum wage worked 10 years ago, but today $5.xx is not that much and it definitely is not enough to make a living on.Canin wrote:
How about not limiting yourself to washing dishes? Try learning something else, like prep work or line cook. Then , if your current employer is not paying satisfactorily, go down the street to the next place, and with your new skills, make more money. Unless, of course, you think the government should regulate the amount of pay someone gets for spraying off dishes and pushing a rack into a machine.....
Also, he is right, how can we make these huge tax cuts for people who live in the highest income bracket which literally make the rich richer, for doing nothing other than being rich, and deny the poorest people in the economy a freckin 2 dollar raise, the first of which they've had in nearly 10 years?
If you are cool with that, you are obviously a rich cocksucker yourself.
People who make a lot of money deserve tax breaks. If it wasn't for their hard work, there would not be a place to wash the dishes at.Cougar wrote:
If you are cool with that, you are obviously a rich cocksucker yourself.
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But they already have money. They can survive without tax breaks. People on minimum wage cannot survive on it.usmarine2007 wrote:
People who make a lot of money deserve tax breaks. If it wasn't for their hard work, there would not be a place to wash the dishes at.Cougar wrote:
If you are cool with that, you are obviously a rich cocksucker yourself.
Maybe Ted could give up his pay raise?ghettoperson wrote:
But they already have money. They can survive without tax breaks. People on minimum wage cannot survive on it.usmarine2007 wrote:
People who make a lot of money deserve tax breaks. If it wasn't for their hard work, there would not be a place to wash the dishes at.Cougar wrote:
If you are cool with that, you are obviously a rich cocksucker yourself.
Everyone deserves a tax break, everyone being the key word. When the only people who receive noticeable tax-breaks over a 8 year period, then something is wrong.usmarine2007 wrote:
People who make a lot of money deserve tax breaks. If it wasn't for their hard work, there would not be a place to wash the dishes at.Cougar wrote:
If you are cool with that, you are obviously a rich cocksucker yourself.
However it happens I don't care. I know nothing of the guy except for that video.usmarine2007 wrote:
Maybe Ted could give up his pay raise?ghettoperson wrote:
But they already have money. They can survive without tax breaks. People on minimum wage cannot survive on it.usmarine2007 wrote:
People who make a lot of money deserve tax breaks. If it wasn't for their hard work, there would not be a place to wash the dishes at.
I believe for the most part that everyone has the ability to do more, learn more, and be better. The problem is that this country is riddled with laziness. The Government hands out so freaking much that people think they deserve it and find no reason to improve themselves on their own. Minimum wage is for entry level positions. I have worked my butt off to get where I am, and make what I make. I made minimum wage when it was 3.85 a hour, and that was bagging groceries and stocking shelves. People shouldn't be making 10.00 a hour at an entry level job. If they keep raising minimum wage, the standard cost of living will go up, and then people who earn what they have worked hard to earn will not bring home enough to cover their bills. What happens then? The Government should regulate what everyone makes? Or take what everyone makes and then distribute it back evenly to every person of working age? Yeah, somehow I don't see that working so well.....
How old are you? Seriously?Canin wrote:
I believe for the most part that everyone has the ability to do more, learn more, and be better. The problem is that this country is riddled with laziness. The Government hands out so freaking much that people think they deserve it and find no reason to improve themselves on their own. Minimum wage is for entry level positions. I have worked my butt off to get where I am, and make what I make. I made minimum wage when it was 3.85 a hour, and that was bagging groceries and stocking shelves. People shouldn't be making 10.00 a hour at an entry level job. If they keep raising minimum wage, the standard cost of living will go up, and then people who earn what they have worked hard to earn will not bring home enough to cover their bills. What happens then? The Government should regulate what everyone makes? Or take what everyone makes and then distribute it back evenly to every person of working age? Yeah, somehow I don't see that working so well.....
Im 32. I dont see how that has any affect on my opinion. Oh, and as far as noticable tax breaks go, how are you going to notice a tax break when if you are married, or single, and supporting children on minimum wage, you are effectively not paying any taxes in?? You cant give tax breaks to people who dont pay taxes in the first place.
Well your about the dumbest 32 year old I've ever met. You're missing the point!!!Canin wrote:
Im 32. I dont see how that has any affect on my opinion. Oh, and as far as noticable tax breaks go, how are you going to notice a tax break when if you are married, or single, and supporting children on minimum wage, you are effectively not paying any taxes in?? You cant give tax breaks to people who dont pay taxes in the first place.
The point is, that even if someone moves up from the position of dishwasher, someone else will be there to fill in for them, because the world needs dishwashers, ditch-diggers and janitors, in order for your "successful" life to fucking work correctly. They cannot survive on $5 an hour, for 1 year or 20 years. Also, with inflation, $5 isn't even worth what it was worth 10 years ago!!
Also, to say poor people don't pay taxes is pretty stupid. Everyone pays taxes. Everyone. The only difference is whether or not you have to pay more at the end of the year or not.
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Not everyone pays taxes. Sure, if you are single and claim 0 then you pay taxes. I did when I was 18 and lived on my own. When you are supporting a family and making minimum wage, or even 15-20 an hour, and are the single earner, you DO NOT pay taxes, if you pay anything in, it is refunded completely and sometimes with more than was paid in. I also know the world needs dishwashers, my point is dont aspire to be a dishwasher, and dont look to make 20 dollars an hour doing it. It aint gonna happen. You can call me what you want, but I have been on both sides of this debate, and I know wheat I have seen and learned.
Oh, and I have to go fix a fryer and a mixer now so I wont be around to continue this for a few hours.
Oh, and I have to go fix a fryer and a mixer now so I wont be around to continue this for a few hours.
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A few random thoughts and my opinion:
- Who makes "minimum" wage! All the surveys show that because of low unemployment the minimum wage
is nothing more than a federal line in the sand. Actually, most major employers are already paying wages
above the $7.25 proposed over the next two years. As usual Teddy is late for reality.
- States regulate minimum wage best {economics of New York City vs. Barbersville, Kentucky}.
- Teddy likes wagons {either on the band wagon or falling off one}.
- Teddy gave a very impassioned speech on a topic that is popular, however, the decision was already made.
- Where has he been for ten years {take away a few years since the previous minimum wage had to settle in
before the cost of living went up}. BTW - I don't remember this type of passion during the elections.
- If he feels that we Americans have been denied something by the U.S. Senate for ten years then I would
say the Senate has denied Americans justice for an innocent persons death for over thirty-seven years.
IMHO - He is a douche who got away with murder and is riding on the coat tails of his brothers death.
I luv sites like "You Tube" - you can always find something wacky and out of context that makes you feel that your widely distorted point of view and sense of facts justifies your "moo point" {Joey from Friends}. Just go ask your freakin boss for a freakin raise will ya!
*** What is big, white, moves fast, and very punctual after 5:30 PM - no not the bullet train out of Tokyo - it's Teddy on his way to cocktail hour.
*** Why do you think he asked to be reminded when he had five minutes left - had to place his drink order.
Kaboom
- Who makes "minimum" wage! All the surveys show that because of low unemployment the minimum wage
is nothing more than a federal line in the sand. Actually, most major employers are already paying wages
above the $7.25 proposed over the next two years. As usual Teddy is late for reality.
- States regulate minimum wage best {economics of New York City vs. Barbersville, Kentucky}.
- Teddy likes wagons {either on the band wagon or falling off one}.
- Teddy gave a very impassioned speech on a topic that is popular, however, the decision was already made.
- Where has he been for ten years {take away a few years since the previous minimum wage had to settle in
before the cost of living went up}. BTW - I don't remember this type of passion during the elections.
- If he feels that we Americans have been denied something by the U.S. Senate for ten years then I would
say the Senate has denied Americans justice for an innocent persons death for over thirty-seven years.
IMHO - He is a douche who got away with murder and is riding on the coat tails of his brothers death.
I luv sites like "You Tube" - you can always find something wacky and out of context that makes you feel that your widely distorted point of view and sense of facts justifies your "moo point" {Joey from Friends}. Just go ask your freakin boss for a freakin raise will ya!
*** What is big, white, moves fast, and very punctual after 5:30 PM - no not the bullet train out of Tokyo - it's Teddy on his way to cocktail hour.
*** Why do you think he asked to be reminded when he had five minutes left - had to place his drink order.
Kaboom
any bets on what is in his glass, Gin or Vodka??
Screw him and any able bodied person with the lack of personal responsibility to do something with their lives so they don't need the govt. to control their income.
Screw him and any able bodied person with the lack of personal responsibility to do something with their lives so they don't need the govt. to control their income.