I love it, your own experiences makes you biased. You should NOT know what you are talking about because you lived and breathed it. You should know what you are talking about because the BBC told ya. Serge, buddy, get real.sergeriver wrote:
Wow, I missed the best part of the battle.You've seen true radical Islam up close, so what? Does this fact make your opinion more important? No. I think it makes your opinion totally biased against Muslim people. And BBC counts big time, even if you say it's liberal biased media, it still is the most moderate and balanced media in the world.usmarine2007 wrote:
I am not going to listen to someone who has not seen true radical islam up close and personal. BBC does not count, sorry to say.
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Islamophobia: The New Anti-Semitism?
| Yes | 53% | 53% - 67 | ||||
| No | 46% | 46% - 59 | ||||
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None of the Jews were calling for the destruction of the west... I think it makes sense to be hostile to a group of people that shout "death to America" and then actually act out that sentiment by flying planes into buildings... Sure, not all Muslims feel that way, but there sure are a lot that do...
He should not generalize coz of a few people. That's what this thread is about.lowing wrote:
I love it, your own experiences makes you biased. You should NOT know what you are talking about because you lived and breathed it. You should know what you are talking about because the BBC told ya. Serge, buddy, get real.sergeriver wrote:
Wow, I missed the best part of the battle.You've seen true radical Islam up close, so what? Does this fact make your opinion more important? No. I think it makes your opinion totally biased against Muslim people. And BBC counts big time, even if you say it's liberal biased media, it still is the most moderate and balanced media in the world.usmarine2007 wrote:
I am not going to listen to someone who has not seen true radical islam up close and personal. BBC does not count, sorry to say.
A few? I cannot meet everyone in the world serge, so one has to generalize....unless you met everyone in the world?sergeriver wrote:
He should not generalize coz of a few people. That's what this thread is about.
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and you shouldn't discard what the man has EXPEIRENCED. His opinion whether you like it or not, far out wieghs yours or mine since he was there and saw for his own eyes what is happening.sergeriver wrote:
He should not generalize coz of a few people. That's what this thread is about.lowing wrote:
I love it, your own experiences makes you biased. You should NOT know what you are talking about because you lived and breathed it. You should know what you are talking about because the BBC told ya. Serge, buddy, get real.sergeriver wrote:
Wow, I missed the best part of the battle.
You've seen true radical Islam up close, so what? Does this fact make your opinion more important? No. I think it makes your opinion totally biased against Muslim people. And BBC counts big time, even if you say it's liberal biased media, it still is the most moderate and balanced media in the world.
Also, whether you wanna face it or not, it isn't just a few radicals that hate western society it is whole nations built on the Muslim ideology that hate us, and they are trying to flex some muscle over the issue.
So what has he experienced? I would like to know what was fell upon his retinas in those Muslim countries he holidayed that lead to 'i hate all ragheads' stance.lowing wrote:
and you shouldn't discard what the man has EXPEIRENCED. His opinion whether you like it or not, far out wieghs yours or mine since he was there and saw for his own eyes what is happening.sergeriver wrote:
He should not generalize coz of a few people. That's what this thread is about.lowing wrote:
I love it, your own experiences makes you biased. You should NOT know what you are talking about because you lived and breathed it. You should know what you are talking about because the BBC told ya. Serge, buddy, get real.
Also, whether you wanna face it or not, it isn't just a few radicals that hate western society it is whole nations built on the Muslim ideology that hate us, and they are trying to flex some muscle over the issue.
And no bullshit pls.
GO.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
You live in complete paranoia. You should listen Green Day's last album, first song. I won't say the name coz they will say I'm anti-American, lol.lowing wrote:
and you shouldn't discard what the man has EXPEIRENCED. His opinion whether you like it or not, far out wieghs yours or mine since he was there and saw for his own eyes what is happening.sergeriver wrote:
He should not generalize coz of a few people. That's what this thread is about.lowing wrote:
I love it, your own experiences makes you biased. You should NOT know what you are talking about because you lived and breathed it. You should know what you are talking about because the BBC told ya. Serge, buddy, get real.
Also, whether you wanna face it or not, it isn't just a few radicals that hate western society it is whole nations built on the Muslim ideology that hate us, and they are trying to flex some muscle over the issue.
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Shame he didn't crash....usmarine2007 wrote:
Yes...did you ever ride a taxi in Washington DC?.....what a rip off.m3thod wrote:
Did he steal your money?usmarine2007 wrote:
Of course.
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Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
No paranoia about it serge. There are Muslim nations out there that are anti America and anti western civilization. It is paranoia however to think that big brother is hiding microphones in your closet and that all of our freedoms are being taken away because we have to tighten the belt during time of war. It really cracks me up to be call paranoid by liberals when they throw out such fears, yet say 911, London, Bali, Madrid, and on and on and on didn't mean anything, nothing to worry about. It was just a few times.sergeriver wrote:
You live in complete paranoia. You should listen Green Day's last album, first song. I won't say the name coz they will say I'm anti-American, lol.lowing wrote:
and you shouldn't discard what the man has EXPEIRENCED. His opinion whether you like it or not, far out wieghs yours or mine since he was there and saw for his own eyes what is happening.sergeriver wrote:
He should not generalize coz of a few people. That's what this thread is about.
Also, whether you wanna face it or not, it isn't just a few radicals that hate western society it is whole nations built on the Muslim ideology that hate us, and they are trying to flex some muscle over the issue.
Oh, by the way, I don't live in paranoia. I live in pissed off on this issue, and I want to see the people that commit, support and finance these acts to suffer and die. Does that about clear it up?
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So London, Bali, Madrid happened for no reason? You're telling me that one day some guy wakes up and decides to blow people up for no apparent reason? You're telling me there are underlying right or wrong reasons why people commit such atrocities? What would make someone hijack a plane and ram it into a concrete building? Hell he's not going to gain anything from it is he?lowing wrote:
No paranoia about it serge. There are Muslim nations out there that are anti America and anti western civilization. It is paranoia however to think that big brother is hiding microphones in your closet and that all of our freedoms are being taken away because we have to tighten the belt during time of war. It really cracks me up to be call paranoid by liberals when they throw out such fears, yet say 911, London, Bali, Madrid, and on and on and on didn't mean anything, nothing to worry about. It was just a few times.sergeriver wrote:
You live in complete paranoia. You should listen Green Day's last album, first song. I won't say the name coz they will say I'm anti-American, lol.lowing wrote:
and you shouldn't discard what the man has EXPEIRENCED. His opinion whether you like it or not, far out wieghs yours or mine since he was there and saw for his own eyes what is happening.
Also, whether you wanna face it or not, it isn't just a few radicals that hate western society it is whole nations built on the Muslim ideology that hate us, and they are trying to flex some muscle over the issue.
SO....What the hell did we do to deserve that? Conversely what didn't do? What could of we done? Who didn't we speak to, Why didn't we listen to them? etc.
ps
Knowing your short sightedness, I'll even preempt your answer: Fucked up religion who have always hated us since the dawn of time. Yyyyyyaaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
I found that funny but I would like to point out he didn't set the rates. It was probably some white guy who owns the company and set the rates.usmarine2007 wrote:
Yes...did you ever ride a taxi in Washington DC?.....what a rip off.m3thod wrote:
Did he steal your money?usmarine2007 wrote:
Of course.
We should like at the causes of such acts but lets not misplace blame. Nothing justifies taking innocent lives no matter which opinion you may have towards world events. I don't really care how many virgins they promise you. The west can't be blamed for some extremist losing site of what true Islam is. I refuse to sympathize with those Muslims that have turned against their kind.m3thod wrote:
So London, Bali, Madrid happened for no reason? You're telling me that one day some guy wakes up and decides to blow people up for no apparent reason? You're telling me there are underlying right or wrong reasons why people commit such atrocities? What would make someone hijack a plane and ram it into a concrete building? Hell he's not going to gain anything from it is he?lowing wrote:
No paranoia about it serge. There are Muslim nations out there that are anti America and anti western civilization. It is paranoia however to think that big brother is hiding microphones in your closet and that all of our freedoms are being taken away because we have to tighten the belt during time of war. It really cracks me up to be call paranoid by liberals when they throw out such fears, yet say 911, London, Bali, Madrid, and on and on and on didn't mean anything, nothing to worry about. It was just a few times.sergeriver wrote:
You live in complete paranoia. You should listen Green Day's last album, first song. I won't say the name coz they will say I'm anti-American, lol.
SO....What the hell did we do to deserve that? Conversely what didn't do? What could of we done? Who didn't we speak to, Why didn't we listen to them? etc.
ps
Knowing your short sightedness, I'll even preempt your answer: Fucked up religion who have always hated us since the dawn of time. Yyyyyyaaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
By you suggesting there is a REASON for killing unarmed innocent civilians tells me you can actually understand such behavior and thus rationalize such acts. This makes you part of the problem.m3thod wrote:
So London, Bali, Madrid happened for no reason? You're telling me that one day some guy wakes up and decides to blow people up for no apparent reason? You're telling me there are underlying right or wrong reasons why people commit such atrocities? What would make someone hijack a plane and ram it into a concrete building? Hell he's not going to gain anything from it is he?lowing wrote:
No paranoia about it serge. There are Muslim nations out there that are anti America and anti western civilization. It is paranoia however to think that big brother is hiding microphones in your closet and that all of our freedoms are being taken away because we have to tighten the belt during time of war. It really cracks me up to be call paranoid by liberals when they throw out such fears, yet say 911, London, Bali, Madrid, and on and on and on didn't mean anything, nothing to worry about. It was just a few times.sergeriver wrote:
You live in complete paranoia. You should listen Green Day's last album, first song. I won't say the name coz they will say I'm anti-American, lol.
SO....What the hell did we do to deserve that? Conversely what didn't do? What could of we done? Who didn't we speak to, Why didn't we listen to them? etc.
ps
Knowing your short sightedness, I'll even preempt your answer: Fucked up religion who have always hated us since the dawn of time. Yyyyyyaaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn.
There is no rationalizing this behavior. No excuse for committing such acts. No understanding it.
If my short sightedness keeps me from not seeing and understanding and sympathizing for monsters such as these, too bad. If you actually empathize with these people, and wanna figure out how we can make life better for them so they stop killing us you are almost as crazy as they are. They are murderers and deserve nothing less than to be hunted down like dogs and put to sleep.
Lowing...."By you suggesting there is a REASON for killing unarmed innocent civilians"
Recall WWII and the lovely bombing raids that were conducted through out Germany and Japan.....Kyoto, Tokyo etc all burned down to the ground. Civilians? You bet ya, War does not differentiate between the two its all out war, and apparently they don't mind striking us were it hurts as well.
Come on there was a "REASON" back then what makes you think they won't apply the same concept to us....shit goes BOTH ways. America isn't some chosen people to be immune from it, yet don't get me wrong i'm not justifying it i'm simply putting into perspective the fact that they do it and WE do it so its nothing special about them that makes them do it.
Recall WWII and the lovely bombing raids that were conducted through out Germany and Japan.....Kyoto, Tokyo etc all burned down to the ground. Civilians? You bet ya, War does not differentiate between the two its all out war, and apparently they don't mind striking us were it hurts as well.
Come on there was a "REASON" back then what makes you think they won't apply the same concept to us....shit goes BOTH ways. America isn't some chosen people to be immune from it, yet don't get me wrong i'm not justifying it i'm simply putting into perspective the fact that they do it and WE do it so its nothing special about them that makes them do it.
What about bombing raids from world war 2 onwards, they were aimed at civilians targets, or is that just collateral damage?lowing wrote:
By you suggesting there is a REASON for killing unarmed innocent civilians tells me you can actually understand such behavior and thus rationalize such acts. This makes you part of the problem.m3thod wrote:
So London, Bali, Madrid happened for no reason? You're telling me that one day some guy wakes up and decides to blow people up for no apparent reason? You're telling me there are underlying right or wrong reasons why people commit such atrocities? What would make someone hijack a plane and ram it into a concrete building? Hell he's not going to gain anything from it is he?lowing wrote:
No paranoia about it serge. There are Muslim nations out there that are anti America and anti western civilization. It is paranoia however to think that big brother is hiding microphones in your closet and that all of our freedoms are being taken away because we have to tighten the belt during time of war. It really cracks me up to be call paranoid by liberals when they throw out such fears, yet say 911, London, Bali, Madrid, and on and on and on didn't mean anything, nothing to worry about. It was just a few times.
SO....What the hell did we do to deserve that? Conversely what didn't do? What could of we done? Who didn't we speak to, Why didn't we listen to them? etc.
ps
Knowing your short sightedness, I'll even preempt your answer: Fucked up religion who have always hated us since the dawn of time. Yyyyyyaaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn.
There is no rationalizing this behavior. No excuse for committing such acts. No understanding it.
If my short sightedness keeps me from not seeing and understanding and sympathizing for monsters such as these, too bad. If you actually empathize with these people, and wanna figure out how we can make life better for them so they stop killing us you are almost as crazy as they are. They are murderers and deserve nothing less than to be hunted down like dogs and put to sleep.
Hell I don't agree with suicide bombing at all, but remember suicide bombing isnt in the Koran its been twisted by the extremist to justify it.
But the terrorist and insurgents are using it because they don't have access to fighter bombers, missiles, etc..... and I'm sad to say their tactics are working, its demoralizing the Iraq people and our own troops.
Hate the Extremist by all means, but please don't hate an entire race just because of the actions of a few.
Of course i am suggesting there is a reason for killing people. Humans are not robots, they have rational and IRRATIONAL thoughts and process jumping around in their little defunct brains. Hence in my post I wrote "RIGHT OR WRONG" reasons. And what did you atomically do? You concluded i empathised with them.lowing wrote:
By you suggesting there is a REASON for killing unarmed innocent civilians tells me you can actually understand such behavior and thus rationalize such acts. This makes you part of the problem.m3thod wrote:
So London, Bali, Madrid happened for no reason? You're telling me that one day some guy wakes up and decides to blow people up for no apparent reason? You're telling me there are underlying right or wrong reasons why people commit such atrocities? What would make someone hijack a plane and ram it into a concrete building? Hell he's not going to gain anything from it is he?lowing wrote:
No paranoia about it serge. There are Muslim nations out there that are anti America and anti western civilization. It is paranoia however to think that big brother is hiding microphones in your closet and that all of our freedoms are being taken away because we have to tighten the belt during time of war. It really cracks me up to be call paranoid by liberals when they throw out such fears, yet say 911, London, Bali, Madrid, and on and on and on didn't mean anything, nothing to worry about. It was just a few times.
SO....What the hell did we do to deserve that? Conversely what didn't do? What could of we done? Who didn't we speak to, Why didn't we listen to them? etc.
ps
Knowing your short sightedness, I'll even preempt your answer: Fucked up religion who have always hated us since the dawn of time. Yyyyyyaaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn.
There is no rationalizing this behavior. No excuse for committing such acts. No understanding it.
If my short sightedness keeps me from not seeing and understanding and sympathizing for monsters such as these, too bad. If you actually empathize with these people, and wanna figure out how we can make life better for them so they stop killing us you are almost as crazy as they are. They are murderers and deserve nothing less than to be hunted down like dogs and put to sleep.
Now YOU believe there is no rationalizing this behavior. No excuse for committing such acts. No understanding it and i would agree with you. It's abhorrent. But I bet your million dollar ass i bet it's rationalised and understood and whole heatedly approved in the ME. Just because me and you deplore these despicable acts doesn't mean they will. Now get this, America in the ME is perceived to be the exact description to what you have posted above "They are murderers and deserve nothing less than to be hunted down like dogs and put to sleep". You Lowing share the very same madness as the people you despise, both of you are unable to see beyond the premise that 'they' are murderers who kill innocent people.
Face it you're a white raghead.
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Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
THere might be a reason for killing people. THERE IS NO REASON FOR KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE. Unarmed women and children.m3thod wrote:
Of course i am suggesting there is a reason for killing people. Humans are not robots, they have rational and IRRATIONAL thoughts and process jumping around in their little defunct brains. Hence in my post I wrote "RIGHT OR WRONG" reasons. And what did you atomically do? You concluded i empathised with them.lowing wrote:
By you suggesting there is a REASON for killing unarmed innocent civilians tells me you can actually understand such behavior and thus rationalize such acts. This makes you part of the problem.m3thod wrote:
So London, Bali, Madrid happened for no reason? You're telling me that one day some guy wakes up and decides to blow people up for no apparent reason? You're telling me there are underlying right or wrong reasons why people commit such atrocities? What would make someone hijack a plane and ram it into a concrete building? Hell he's not going to gain anything from it is he?
SO....What the hell did we do to deserve that? Conversely what didn't do? What could of we done? Who didn't we speak to, Why didn't we listen to them? etc.
ps
Knowing your short sightedness, I'll even preempt your answer: Fucked up religion who have always hated us since the dawn of time. Yyyyyyaaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn.
There is no rationalizing this behavior. No excuse for committing such acts. No understanding it.
If my short sightedness keeps me from not seeing and understanding and sympathizing for monsters such as these, too bad. If you actually empathize with these people, and wanna figure out how we can make life better for them so they stop killing us you are almost as crazy as they are. They are murderers and deserve nothing less than to be hunted down like dogs and put to sleep.
Now YOU believe there is no rationalizing this behavior. No excuse for committing such acts. No understanding it and i would agree with you. It's abhorrent. But I bet your million dollar ass i bet it's rationalised and understood and whole heatedly approved in the ME. Just because me and you deplore these despicable acts doesn't mean they will. Now get this, America in the ME is perceived to be the exact description to what you have posted above "They are murderers and deserve nothing less than to be hunted down like dogs and put to sleep". You Lowing share the very same madness as the people you despise, both of you are unable to see beyond the premise that 'they' are murderers who kill innocent people.
Face it you're a white raghead.
If it is reationalized in the ME then have just found the thing that seporated them from us. They are animals.
Nice try, the coalition is not there killing innocent people on purpose, the coalition is there to rebuild Iraq after a tyrant ruler has been taken out. The terrorists are the ones doing all the killing of innocent people, destroying everything good that is trying to be built there. If they wanted us out, why not help build the schools, build the communication, the hospitals, the infrastructure of society so we can leave sooner? Because peace is the last thing that they want in the ME.
You are right lowing, the difference is in the targeting of innocence.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
WHAT IF THEY ARE NOT PERCIEVED INNOCENT? (see i can do that too) That would make them a legitimate targets. You're white? You're American? You pay taxes? You're guilty and you're fair game. Hello and goodbye. Boom. It is rationalised, The west are seen as pigs, animals that invade Muslim countries, continuously threaten them, apply trade sanctions, they watch American bullets and American bombs splatter Muslims, they watch Israel fuck Palestinians in the ass. The list goes on. They hate you just as much as you hate them. You're the same.lowing wrote:
THere might be a reason for killing people. THERE IS NO REASON FOR KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE. Unarmed women and children.m3thod wrote:
Of course i am suggesting there is a reason for killing people. Humans are not robots, they have rational and IRRATIONAL thoughts and process jumping around in their little defunct brains. Hence in my post I wrote "RIGHT OR WRONG" reasons. And what did you atomically do? You concluded i empathised with them.lowing wrote:
By you suggesting there is a REASON for killing unarmed innocent civilians tells me you can actually understand such behavior and thus rationalize such acts. This makes you part of the problem.
There is no rationalizing this behavior. No excuse for committing such acts. No understanding it.
If my short sightedness keeps me from not seeing and understanding and sympathizing for monsters such as these, too bad. If you actually empathize with these people, and wanna figure out how we can make life better for them so they stop killing us you are almost as crazy as they are. They are murderers and deserve nothing less than to be hunted down like dogs and put to sleep.
Now YOU believe there is no rationalizing this behavior. No excuse for committing such acts. No understanding it and i would agree with you. It's abhorrent. But I bet your million dollar ass i bet it's rationalised and understood and whole heatedly approved in the ME. Just because me and you deplore these despicable acts doesn't mean they will. Now get this, America in the ME is perceived to be the exact description to what you have posted above "They are murderers and deserve nothing less than to be hunted down like dogs and put to sleep". You Lowing share the very same madness as the people you despise, both of you are unable to see beyond the premise that 'they' are murderers who kill innocent people.
Face it you're a white raghead.
If it is reationalized in the ME then have just found the thing that seporated them from us. They are animals.
Nice try, the coalition is not there killing innocent people on purpose, the coalition is there to rebuild Iraq after a tyrant ruler has been taken out. The terrorists are the ones doing all the killing of innocent people, destroying everything good that is trying to be built there. If they wanted us out, why not help build the schools, build the communication, the hospitals, the infrastructure of society so we can leave sooner? Because peace is the last thing that they want in the ME.
You just don't get it do you? This is not about WHAT YOU THINK. You think the coalition is there not to kill innocent people. You think you're there to spread peace, build schools, hospitals, infrastructure, provide the playboy channel you know, everything the west has. This is NOT what the people of the ME think, and these are the people that matter. They believe you're there to steal, rape, pillage and murder. They don't want to help you in fact the Sunnis hate you outright and the Shia will listen to the nutters to the east and yeah, you're on great relations with Iran.
Forget what you think and start to think like THEM. They want peace but not your peace, and THAT is evident.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
You sir should be banned.IsaacLeavitt wrote:
wtf the Muslims deserve the bad rap. they are fucking Terrorists and there religion supports them... the liberal Muslims say it doesn't, but if you read a true copy of the Koran it is pretty scary...
Then we fight. We'll lose thousands of soldiers but we willl send thousands more untill we are the only ones left standing. I hope your all still here when it's over.m3thod wrote:
WHAT IF THEY ARE NOT PERCIEVED INNOCENT? (see i can do that too) That would make them a legitimate targets. You're white? You're American? You pay taxes? You're guilty and you're fair game. Hello and goodbye. Boom. It is rationalised, The west are seen as pigs, animals that invade Muslim countries, continuously threaten them, apply trade sanctions, they watch American bullets and American bombs splatter Muslims, they watch Israel fuck Palestinians in the ass. The list goes on. They hate you just as much as you hate them. You're the same.lowing wrote:
THere might be a reason for killing people. THERE IS NO REASON FOR KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE. Unarmed women and children.m3thod wrote:
Of course i am suggesting there is a reason for killing people. Humans are not robots, they have rational and IRRATIONAL thoughts and process jumping around in their little defunct brains. Hence in my post I wrote "RIGHT OR WRONG" reasons. And what did you atomically do? You concluded i empathised with them.
Now YOU believe there is no rationalizing this behavior. No excuse for committing such acts. No understanding it and i would agree with you. It's abhorrent. But I bet your million dollar ass i bet it's rationalised and understood and whole heatedly approved in the ME. Just because me and you deplore these despicable acts doesn't mean they will. Now get this, America in the ME is perceived to be the exact description to what you have posted above "They are murderers and deserve nothing less than to be hunted down like dogs and put to sleep". You Lowing share the very same madness as the people you despise, both of you are unable to see beyond the premise that 'they' are murderers who kill innocent people.
Face it you're a white raghead.
If it is reationalized in the ME then have just found the thing that seporated them from us. They are animals.
Nice try, the coalition is not there killing innocent people on purpose, the coalition is there to rebuild Iraq after a tyrant ruler has been taken out. The terrorists are the ones doing all the killing of innocent people, destroying everything good that is trying to be built there. If they wanted us out, why not help build the schools, build the communication, the hospitals, the infrastructure of society so we can leave sooner? Because peace is the last thing that they want in the ME.
You just don't get it do you? This is not about WHAT YOU THINK. You think the coalition is there not to kill innocent people. You think you're there to spread peace, build schools, hospitals, infrastructure, provide the playboy channel you know, everything the west has. This is NOT what the people of the ME think, and these are the people that matter. They believe you're there to steal, rape, pillage and murder. They don't want to help you in fact the Sunnis hate you outright and the Shia will listen to the nutters to the east and yeah, you're on great relations with Iran.
Forget what you think and start to think like THEM. They want peace but not your peace, and THAT is evident.
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So because he was part of an occupying force that isnt and wasnt wanted his experience counts for more, ofc people were trying to kill him, just like your ancestors tried to kill British soldiers. YOU BLOODY IGNORAMUS!lowing wrote:
and you shouldn't discard what the man has EXPEIRENCED. His opinion whether you like it or not, far out wieghs yours or mine since he was there and saw for his own eyes what is happening.sergeriver wrote:
He should not generalize coz of a few people. That's what this thread is about.lowing wrote:
I love it, your own experiences makes you biased. You should NOT know what you are talking about because you lived and breathed it. You should know what you are talking about because the BBC told ya. Serge, buddy, get real.
Also, whether you wanna face it or not, it isn't just a few radicals that hate western society it is whole nations built on the Muslim ideology that hate us, and they are trying to flex some muscle over the issue.
Please explain you NUKING A FUCKING COUNTRY THEN! Please explain you napalming civilains, please explain you shooting down innocent people. Please do i would love it.lowing wrote:
By you suggesting there is a REASON for killing unarmed innocent civilians tells me you can actually understand such behavior and thus rationalize such acts. This makes you part of the problem.m3thod wrote:
So London, Bali, Madrid happened for no reason? You're telling me that one day some guy wakes up and decides to blow people up for no apparent reason? You're telling me there are underlying right or wrong reasons why people commit such atrocities? What would make someone hijack a plane and ram it into a concrete building? Hell he's not going to gain anything from it is he?lowing wrote:
No paranoia about it serge. There are Muslim nations out there that are anti America and anti western civilization. It is paranoia however to think that big brother is hiding microphones in your closet and that all of our freedoms are being taken away because we have to tighten the belt during time of war. It really cracks me up to be call paranoid by liberals when they throw out such fears, yet say 911, London, Bali, Madrid, and on and on and on didn't mean anything, nothing to worry about. It was just a few times.
SO....What the hell did we do to deserve that? Conversely what didn't do? What could of we done? Who didn't we speak to, Why didn't we listen to them? etc.
ps
Knowing your short sightedness, I'll even preempt your answer: Fucked up religion who have always hated us since the dawn of time. Yyyyyyaaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn.
There is no rationalizing this behavior. No excuse for committing such acts. No understanding it.
If my short sightedness keeps me from not seeing and understanding and sympathizing for monsters such as these, too bad. If you actually empathize with these people, and wanna figure out how we can make life better for them so they stop killing us you are almost as crazy as they are. They are murderers and deserve nothing less than to be hunted down like dogs and put to sleep.
I can live with that. Stay your sorry stone age fuckin' mentality in the ME. Live like shit, have the majority of your population suffer while your kings and, dictators, rape and pillage your lands from underneath you. Have them live in palaces that you could never fathom while your family starves and all you have to live for, is your 70 virgins when you die. Do it, I don't give a shit. But if you think everyone will sit by while you take your frustrations out on the rest of us by bombing our innocent civilians you are wrong. We will help you find your fucking virgins. There all is solved, you stay in your sand box and kill yourselves to your hearts content. The rest of us can get on with our lives. Sorry in about 10 years you can take your oil and shove that up your asses as well.m3thod wrote:
WHAT IF THEY ARE NOT PERCIEVED INNOCENT? (see i can do that too) That would make them a legitimate targets. You're white? You're American? You pay taxes? You're guilty and you're fair game. Hello and goodbye. Boom. It is rationalised, The west are seen as pigs, animals that invade Muslim countries, continuously threaten them, apply trade sanctions, they watch American bullets and American bombs splatter Muslims, they watch Israel fuck Palestinians in the ass. The list goes on. They hate you just as much as you hate them. You're the same.lowing wrote:
THere might be a reason for killing people. THERE IS NO REASON FOR KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE. Unarmed women and children.m3thod wrote:
Of course i am suggesting there is a reason for killing people. Humans are not robots, they have rational and IRRATIONAL thoughts and process jumping around in their little defunct brains. Hence in my post I wrote "RIGHT OR WRONG" reasons. And what did you atomically do? You concluded i empathised with them.
Now YOU believe there is no rationalizing this behavior. No excuse for committing such acts. No understanding it and i would agree with you. It's abhorrent. But I bet your million dollar ass i bet it's rationalised and understood and whole heatedly approved in the ME. Just because me and you deplore these despicable acts doesn't mean they will. Now get this, America in the ME is perceived to be the exact description to what you have posted above "They are murderers and deserve nothing less than to be hunted down like dogs and put to sleep". You Lowing share the very same madness as the people you despise, both of you are unable to see beyond the premise that 'they' are murderers who kill innocent people.
Face it you're a white raghead.
If it is reationalized in the ME then have just found the thing that seporated them from us. They are animals.
Nice try, the coalition is not there killing innocent people on purpose, the coalition is there to rebuild Iraq after a tyrant ruler has been taken out. The terrorists are the ones doing all the killing of innocent people, destroying everything good that is trying to be built there. If they wanted us out, why not help build the schools, build the communication, the hospitals, the infrastructure of society so we can leave sooner? Because peace is the last thing that they want in the ME.
You just don't get it do you? This is not about WHAT YOU THINK. You think the coalition is there not to kill innocent people. You think you're there to spread peace, build schools, hospitals, infrastructure, provide the playboy channel you know, everything the west has. This is NOT what the people of the ME think, and these are the people that matter. They believe you're there to steal, rape, pillage and murder. They don't want to help you in fact the Sunnis hate you outright and the Shia will listen to the nutters to the east and yeah, you're on great relations with Iran.
Forget what you think and start to think like THEM. They want peace but not your peace, and THAT is evident.
typical, censorship for those that disagree with you. Why not??Vilham wrote:
You sir should be banned.IsaacLeavitt wrote:
wtf the Muslims deserve the bad rap. they are fucking Terrorists and there religion supports them... the liberal Muslims say it doesn't, but if you read a true copy of the Koran it is pretty scary...