Thats true, Americans (Although badly used) have Wigger gangster wannabes, Latins have gangs too, blacks have gangs, Europeans have gangs (aka Mafia), Asians have gangs.Turquoise wrote:
The way I see it... if they were only making fun of gangstas, then that's not racist. If they specifically were saying that all black people were ignorant gangsta types, then that's racist. Otherwise, making fun of gangstas is justified.
People should also remember that gang members come in every color. Every race has its scum.
Parties like this happen all the time in College!!
What do you think the "Bros/Ho's" party is?? A bunch of kids dressed up as "gangstas and ho's" poking fun at our ghetto black communities. . . .(which happen all across our nations colleges)
Those kids are idiots by saying it was a MLK party. . .their were no "gangstas or ho's" back then, just Black Panthers and well, I guess ho's but they werent called that yet. . .
If those kids said they were having a gangsta party no one would have given a shit, but they used MLK's name and all hell broke loose. . . . bad judgement and ignorance on their parts. Otherwise looked like a regular house party. . . been there and done that!
What do you think the "Bros/Ho's" party is?? A bunch of kids dressed up as "gangstas and ho's" poking fun at our ghetto black communities. . . .(which happen all across our nations colleges)
Those kids are idiots by saying it was a MLK party. . .their were no "gangstas or ho's" back then, just Black Panthers and well, I guess ho's but they werent called that yet. . .
If those kids said they were having a gangsta party no one would have given a shit, but they used MLK's name and all hell broke loose. . . . bad judgement and ignorance on their parts. Otherwise looked like a regular house party. . . been there and done that!
Since you know every black person I can understand how you can form a valid majority view. And let's just forget all the black people in Europe and Asia, and all those black folks dying of aids in Africa don't count. We'll just talk about the ones we see on TV, since the media does a great job of portraying realistic situtations and never falls to stereotyping for revenue, do they?|=-sL-.Cujucuyo. wrote:
Honestly, and I'm not being a racist here, but the majority of black people love the "Gang" look and idolize it and those who do gang related activities or songs about it being 'cool', and most of us normal, decent people frown upon that... a lot, that kind of activity promotes crime and violence by trying to imitate them, I personally hate all that crap (rap, hip-hop, gangs, crime, etc.) and I intend to keep doing it, and its not EVERY African-American who does that, some of my AA friends say its stupid and it shouldn't be looked as black culture, however the more retarded want to keep it as their culture and heritage... they had and will still have it coming if they keep idolizing crime, gangs and illegal activities.
Just my $0.02
For your information, the most brutal, deranged, violent people in the history of the world have been light or olive skinned. So before you go off on a heritage tangent let's not forget about Mussolini, Hitler, Ghengis Khan, Slobodon Milosivic, Osama bin Laden, George W. Bush, Al Capone (ok basically every bootlegger) practically every serial killer ever documented, Pablo Escobar, General Custer, Napoleon .... do I really need to go on? If you want to talk history let's talk history but I think if you take a look at the caucasian influence on drugs, violence, and crime it's pretty easy to see who's behind it all. You may see some black people being hauled off to jail for posession of illegal substances, or for shooting someone in a drug deal, but who do you think pays for it all? Who do you think owns the news companies and television stations that heavily slant the news of violent and drug related crime toward blacks? I'm not trying to say that there's no accountability to be had, everyone should be judged for what they do. And yes, black people are sometimes the ones in the wrong. But not nearly as exclusively as people would like you to believe. Don't be so naive and racist.
Do you blame all that on rap too? I'm sure Capone was listening to Tupac while he was killing his rivals wasn't he. Did Benito bump Chamillionaire out his trunk at 3am to piss the neighbors off? Get over it. You hate black people, just admit it and we can move on.
Anyway to finish that all up. Every Italian eats big meatballs and has connections to the mafia. You can't open an Italian's trunk without finding a dead body or some instant cement mix, sometimes both. That was about as stereotypical and ignorant as half this thread so far so I think we're even.
I agree completely.Turquoise wrote:
The way I see it... if they were only making fun of gangstas, then that's not racist. If they specifically were saying that all black people were ignorant gangsta types, then that's racist. Otherwise, making fun of gangstas is justified.
People should also remember that gang members come in every color. Every race has its scum.
I Said "I also feel that all the people that put the "gansta" rap artists on a pedestal and dress and act like that disrespect MLK just as much or more. MLK was a deeply religious man and would roll in his grave if he saw how violent and drug ridden many black neighborhoods have become, glamorizing it makes it worst so I guess I would rather see people make fun of it in an appropriate setting, not to celebrate MLK's life."
I feel what they did was attack a great man on a day set aside to honor him. I did not want this to become an attack blacks thread, just a discussion on how the "black gangsta" craze in America disrespects what one of the greatests American citizens stood foor to premote equal rights for everyone.
You have to admitt that the whole "Black Gangsta" image seems to be celebrated by many people and that flys in direct opposition to what MLK stood for and invisioned society becoming.
I have no problem with someone being satiricle with racial stereotypes if it is done soley for the comedic value of it (not some white frat party on MLK day). These kids were dumbasses (in the least) or racists (at the most), but blacks promoting a drugged violent lifestyle seem to harm America even more and are socially accepted while doing it. I feel they all are losers, and a big problem with society.
And yes, every race can have its fingers pointed at for different things, this was just me commenting on disrespecting MLK and how some blacks seem to get a pass while doing it day in and day out. Bill Cosby has it right.IMO
Let me make it simpler for you then.|=-sL-.Cujucuyo. wrote:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c18/p … 8/a722.gifUON wrote:
Yeah yeah, and what about that evil bastard Scorsese?|=-sL-.Cujucuyo. wrote:
Err... so it sells... what has that got to do with the fact that the majority of rap and hip-hop songs idolize crime, gang activity, violence, greed and all that crap besides the selling point of view? I'm just saying it's PROMOTING all that crime.
He said, the things that mainstream rap are based on are what's selling right now. Again, you blame this on the wrong people. This is America. We have a market economy here. So people are buying gangsta rap about blunts, 40's and bitches. Blame the consumer and the record executives, who happen to be primarily white, not the rappers. Your racism is killing a little bit of everyone around here.
Good points... I guess I kind of overlooked the MLK part of this. Then again, I'm not a sentimental person at all. I believe what MLK did was very admirable and that he was one of the most significant figures in American history. However, I don't see why we have a holiday based on him. That seems kind of unnecessary -- like Black History month.Major_Spittle wrote:
I agree completely.Turquoise wrote:
The way I see it... if they were only making fun of gangstas, then that's not racist. If they specifically were saying that all black people were ignorant gangsta types, then that's racist. Otherwise, making fun of gangstas is justified.
People should also remember that gang members come in every color. Every race has its scum.
I Said "I also feel that all the people that put the "gansta" rap artists on a pedestal and dress and act like that disrespect MLK just as much or more. MLK was a deeply religious man and would roll in his grave if he saw how violent and drug ridden many black neighborhoods have become, glamorizing it makes it worst so I guess I would rather see people make fun of it in an appropriate setting, not to celebrate MLK's life."
I feel what they did was attack a great man on a day set aside to honor him. I did not want this to become an attack blacks thread, just a discussion on how the "black gangsta" craze in America disrespects what one of the greatests American citizens stood foor to premote equal rights for everyone.
You have to admitt that the whole "Black Gangsta" image seems to be celebrated by many people and that flys in direct opposition to what MLK stood for and invisioned society becoming.
I have no problem with someone being satiricle with racial stereotypes if it is done soley for the comedic value of it (not some white frat party on MLK day). These kids were dumbasses (in the least) or racists (at the most), but blacks promoting a drugged violent lifestyle seem to harm America even more and are socially accepted while doing it. I feel they all are losers, and a big problem with society.
And yes, every race can have its fingers pointed at for different things, this was just me commenting on disrespecting MLK and how some blacks seem to get a pass while doing it day in and day out. Bill Cosby has it right.IMO
I also agree with Bill Cosby, though.
|=-sL-=|.Cujucuyo, your take on Hip-Hop culture is skewed. The majority of Hip-Hop is actually very tasteful an not about illegal activities and whathaveyou. A lot of mainstream stuff can be considered to be as you described, but you must understand that that music is snatched by white executives to hawk to the public - both black and white, for money. It has been proven that violent Hip-Hop sells, and if it only sold to one demographic it wouldn't be wise to continue to hawk it. Saying it's only popular to black dudes is bullshit when you consider that the money made from mainstream Hip-Hop far exceeds anything one, (albeit fairly large,) minority group could give it.
Try listening to Jurassic 5 - they're good, an extremely musical group who don't sing about crime or whatever.
Try listening to Jurassic 5 - they're good, an extremely musical group who don't sing about crime or whatever.
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True... Jurassic 5 rocks...
My daily meals consist of fried chicken, corn bread, watermelon, kool-aid, and grape drink.
That sure is a delicious combination!Fancy_Pollux wrote:
My daily meals consist of fried chicken, corn bread, watermelon, kool-aid, and grape drink.
lol did you even bother to REGISTER the first half of what you wrote.....here i'll type it again "what MLK did was very admirable and that he was ONE of the MOST SIGNIFICANT figures IN AMERICAN HISTORY"......then you had the testicular fortitude to right after that say.....I DON'T SEE WHY?!?!? WHAT THE FUKKKKKK!?!? bro.....your killing meTurquoise wrote:
Good points... I guess I kind of overlooked the MLK part of this. Then again, I'm not a sentimental person at all. I believe what MLK did was very admirable and that he was one of the most significant figures in American history. However, I don't see why we have a holiday based on him. That seems kind of unnecessary -- like Black History month.Major_Spittle wrote:
I agree completely.Turquoise wrote:
The way I see it... if they were only making fun of gangstas, then that's not racist. If they specifically were saying that all black people were ignorant gangsta types, then that's racist. Otherwise, making fun of gangstas is justified.
People should also remember that gang members come in every color. Every race has its scum.
I Said "I also feel that all the people that put the "gansta" rap artists on a pedestal and dress and act like that disrespect MLK just as much or more. MLK was a deeply religious man and would roll in his grave if he saw how violent and drug ridden many black neighborhoods have become, glamorizing it makes it worst so I guess I would rather see people make fun of it in an appropriate setting, not to celebrate MLK's life."
I feel what they did was attack a great man on a day set aside to honor him. I did not want this to become an attack blacks thread, just a discussion on how the "black gangsta" craze in America disrespects what one of the greatests American citizens stood foor to premote equal rights for everyone.
You have to admitt that the whole "Black Gangsta" image seems to be celebrated by many people and that flys in direct opposition to what MLK stood for and invisioned society becoming.
I have no problem with someone being satiricle with racial stereotypes if it is done soley for the comedic value of it (not some white frat party on MLK day). These kids were dumbasses (in the least) or racists (at the most), but blacks promoting a drugged violent lifestyle seem to harm America even more and are socially accepted while doing it. I feel they all are losers, and a big problem with society.
And yes, every race can have its fingers pointed at for different things, this was just me commenting on disrespecting MLK and how some blacks seem to get a pass while doing it day in and day out. Bill Cosby has it right.IMO
I also agree with Bill Cosby, though.
I need to check my pillow and make sure you didn't steal my sheets.
Yes, I'm sure he does.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
Ahhh... nothing like boorish Texas racist fratboy arseholes and the attention-hungry sorority girls who enable them.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/a … 71mlk1.jpg
What about all the worthless, toothless white trailer trash wasting away across America? What about all the fatass white kids who play video games all day long? Do you hold them accountable for disrespecting George Washington and Benjamin Franklin? Wouldn't the founding fathers who fought for the freedom of Americans be rolling in their graves as well at the sight of how brainless, drug-ridden, and full of meth labs that rural America has become? And what about comedians like Jeff Foxworthy and Larry the Cable Guy, and Gretchen Wilson singer of "Redneck Woman" who celebrate that lifestyle? Would you rather see black people making fun of all that bullshit in an "appropriate setting", not to celebrate George Washington's life?
Why can't one comment on the state of black role models?
Bill Cosby is doing it. Are you saying you can't say anything about black culture unless you are black?
I used to tease my parents that they had Mother's Day and Father's Day, but there was never a kid's day. their response; every damn day is kid's day.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
All throughout my time at public school, I always wondered when Caucasian history month, Asian history month, middle-eastern history month or Hispanic history month would come up. Sadly, none of it ever happened, though administration was sure to shove the same old crap down our throats every February.
Nope, not at all. On the same token, I'd speak up against any black person bitching about how white entertainment revels in a lowbrow celebration of "Southern" culture.ATG wrote:
Yes, I'm sure he does.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
Ahhh... nothing like boorish Texas racist fratboy arseholes and the attention-hungry sorority girls who enable them.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/a … 71mlk1.jpg
What about all the worthless, toothless white trailer trash wasting away across America? What about all the fatass white kids who play video games all day long? Do you hold them accountable for disrespecting George Washington and Benjamin Franklin? Wouldn't the founding fathers who fought for the freedom of Americans be rolling in their graves as well at the sight of how brainless, drug-ridden, and full of meth labs that rural America has become? And what about comedians like Jeff Foxworthy and Larry the Cable Guy, and Gretchen Wilson singer of "Redneck Woman" who celebrate that lifestyle? Would you rather see black people making fun of all that bullshit in an "appropriate setting", not to celebrate George Washington's life?
Why can't one comment on the state of black role models?
Bill Cosby is doing it. Are you saying you can't say anything about black culture unless you are black?
I'm saying you shouldn't say anything about ANYTHING if your logic is poor. Anyone should be able to criticize anything, so long as they show some intelligence.
In this particular case, both whites and blacks are guilty of appealing to the lowest common denominator, and for celebrating the lowbrow and the culturally harmful. It goes both ways, yet the OP goes after only the black offenders? To me, that's just not OK, and I'm going to call anyone out on it, regardless of how they attempt to squirm out of it through retroactive justification.
huh?|=-sL-.Cujucuyo. wrote:
Honestly, and I'm not being a racist here, but the majority of black people love the "Gang" look and idolize it and those who do gang related activities or songs about it being 'cool', and most of us normal, decent people frown upon that... a lot, that kind of activity promotes crime and violence by trying to imitate them, I personally hate all that crap (rap, hip-hop, gangs, crime, etc.) and I intend to keep doing it, and its not EVERY African-American who does that, some of my AA friends say its stupid and it shouldn't be looked as black culture, however the more retarded want to keep it as their culture and heritage... they had and will still have it coming if they keep idolizing crime, gangs and illegal activities.
Just my $0.02
Dont you realize its all the wanna be's in the suburbs that enable this garbage? Come on man, gangsta rap exists because people buy and it guess what? That money doesn't come from urban music sales. Probably why Foxworthy's act is still making the rounds. It brings in $$. I think you have to separate the culture from the business of selling a 'culture' to someone who knows nothing about it.
oh and can major_spittle be informed of the this thing I call economics? That might explain a lot of the confusion.
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Black people dressing up like a gangster and singing lyrics about shooting people and selling drugs makes a mockery out of what MLK stood for.golgoj4 wrote:
huh?|=-sL-.Cujucuyo. wrote:
Honestly, and I'm not being a racist here, but the majority of black people love the "Gang" look and idolize it and those who do gang related activities or songs about it being 'cool', and most of us normal, decent people frown upon that... a lot, that kind of activity promotes crime and violence by trying to imitate them, I personally hate all that crap (rap, hip-hop, gangs, crime, etc.) and I intend to keep doing it, and its not EVERY African-American who does that, some of my AA friends say its stupid and it shouldn't be looked as black culture, however the more retarded want to keep it as their culture and heritage... they had and will still have it coming if they keep idolizing crime, gangs and illegal activities.
Just my $0.02
Dont you realize its all the wanna be's in the suburbs that enable this garbage? Come on man, gangsta rap exists because people buy and it guess what? That money doesn't come from urban music sales. Probably why Foxworthy's act is still making the rounds. It brings in $$. I think you have to separate the culture from the business of selling a 'culture' to someone who knows nothing about it.
oh and can major_spittle be informed of the this thing I call economics? That might explain a lot of the confusion.
The white wanna bes that dress up like a black gangster and listen to the shit/sing it is an insult to the gene pool in general.
I can't make it any simpler than that. Celebrating people that bring society down and making it seem "cool" is bad. Especially when you have a great percentage of a particular race buying into it and living around it. I would hate to end up growing up in the inner city slums to have this shit holding me back when one would hope my own minority race would work together to create an atmosphere to promote wealth and advancement of my own people.
Pretty difficult to do when another race is selling so much of it despite your situation. If a kid from the PJs can make a few million to get his family out of the hood by rapping about killing people, he'll do it. And guess who signs his check? A big white guy that looks like colonel sanders. If record executives found a way to make gregorian chant a huge money maker, they'd sell that instead. Unfortunately, the consumers these days want gangsta rap, so that's what they look for.Major_Spittle wrote:
I would hate to end up growing up in the inner city slums to have this shit holding me back when one would hope my own minority race would work together to create an atmosphere to promote wealth and advancement of my own people.
Would you prefer to stay living in poverty or be a millionaire while sending a poor message? It's not a very complicated decision if you've ever lived in an area where there's gang shootouts every few nights, trust me.
Condescension is your forte, eh?...Fen321 wrote:
lol did you even bother to REGISTER the first half of what you wrote.....here i'll type it again "what MLK did was very admirable and that he was ONE of the MOST SIGNIFICANT figures IN AMERICAN HISTORY"......then you had the testicular fortitude to right after that say.....I DON'T SEE WHY?!?!? WHAT THE FUKKKKKK!?!? bro.....your killing meTurquoise wrote:
Good points... I guess I kind of overlooked the MLK part of this. Then again, I'm not a sentimental person at all. I believe what MLK did was very admirable and that he was one of the most significant figures in American history. However, I don't see why we have a holiday based on him. That seems kind of unnecessary -- like Black History month.Major_Spittle wrote:
I agree completely.
I Said "I also feel that all the people that put the "gansta" rap artists on a pedestal and dress and act like that disrespect MLK just as much or more. MLK was a deeply religious man and would roll in his grave if he saw how violent and drug ridden many black neighborhoods have become, glamorizing it makes it worst so I guess I would rather see people make fun of it in an appropriate setting, not to celebrate MLK's life."
I feel what they did was attack a great man on a day set aside to honor him. I did not want this to become an attack blacks thread, just a discussion on how the "black gangsta" craze in America disrespects what one of the greatests American citizens stood foor to premote equal rights for everyone.
You have to admitt that the whole "Black Gangsta" image seems to be celebrated by many people and that flys in direct opposition to what MLK stood for and invisioned society becoming.
I have no problem with someone being satiricle with racial stereotypes if it is done soley for the comedic value of it (not some white frat party on MLK day). These kids were dumbasses (in the least) or racists (at the most), but blacks promoting a drugged violent lifestyle seem to harm America even more and are socially accepted while doing it. I feel they all are losers, and a big problem with society.
And yes, every race can have its fingers pointed at for different things, this was just me commenting on disrespecting MLK and how some blacks seem to get a pass while doing it day in and day out. Bill Cosby has it right.IMO
I also agree with Bill Cosby, though.
I need to check my pillow and make sure you didn't steal my sheets.
I was acknowledging the importance of MLK, but I was also stating that I didn't think we needed a holiday for it. Sorry if that offended you. If you found that amusing, then that's cool too.
IMHO, any holiday based on a single person is kind of...bleh. To tell the truth, I think it's sort of an appeasement tactic. That's just my opinion though, I'm not bent out of shape if people disagree, and I fully understand why people think it's a good thing.