usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6368|Columbus, Ohio

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


At least it's topical.
Topical?  Is that Pee Wee's word of the day?
English

Adjective

Topical:
of current interest; contemporary

It's not my fault you can't seem to understand your own language.
I know what it means......
jonnykill
The Microwave Man
+235|6681
One thing you have to bear in mind is that the only reason Bush got re-elected is because days before the vote Osama Bin Laden threatened the American people saying if we do in fact re-elect him he will attack America again. And that right there is pretty much the only reason. The only reason people ( Americans )are bitching about Iraq is that we haven't had any attacks in America. I think we would be more solidified if there was another attack. And as far as Iraq goes I'd like to see any other country try to pull off the impossible. And the impossible is trying to unite 3 different ethnic people after 50 years of torture and hate. Then fight off an influx of Jihadists/extremists from 6-7 other different countries at the same time using guerrilla warfare.
If you ask me 3,000 KIA's in 4 years is pretty damn good. Look back at Russia vs the Muhajudeen in Chechnya. Russia lost 25,000 in one year, though those figures are sketchy, more like 55,000. Things could be much, much worse casualty wise.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6676|Canberra, AUS

redhawk454 wrote:

Knightnifer wrote:

I miss the good old "presidant has been assasinated" day's. With the grassy knoll, sniper rifle's and brains all over the wifes face..
Why can't we go back to that?
Yeah why not? So people like you can protest at Kent State? Remember Kent State? BTW  If you dont live in the US why the fuck are you even commenting? Does it affect you? Are you pissed at your mother? Or are you just the run of the mill Bush basher? Hell, congress is controled by the democrats now and they haven't done anything but suspend the bill for a fence with Mexico. So if you dont live here in the US then go to hell.
Why don't we just fly you all to your own planet? You can fuck that up with your freedom-spreading all you want, we'll be happy without you.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6650

There hasn't been enough blind patriotism in this thread so far, so I'll have to wait before I can argue with someone. Great thread though, a most enjoyable read.

BTW, call me a dumbass, but what's the last word supposed to be? Ending in f? I've pobably missed something here, but I can't for the life of me think of a swearword ending in f. Ah well.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6368|Columbus, Ohio

Spark wrote:

redhawk454 wrote:

Knightnifer wrote:

I miss the good old "presidant has been assasinated" day's. With the grassy knoll, sniper rifle's and brains all over the wifes face..
Why can't we go back to that?
Yeah why not? So people like you can protest at Kent State? Remember Kent State? BTW  If you dont live in the US why the fuck are you even commenting? Does it affect you? Are you pissed at your mother? Or are you just the run of the mill Bush basher? Hell, congress is controled by the democrats now and they haven't done anything but suspend the bill for a fence with Mexico. So if you dont live here in the US then go to hell.
Why don't we just fly you all to your own planet? You can fuck that up with your freedom-spreading all you want, we'll be happy without you.
Why don't you just leave?  We don't need dingos and shrimp on the barb.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6650

usmarine2007 wrote:

Spark wrote:

redhawk454 wrote:


Yeah why not? So people like you can protest at Kent State? Remember Kent State? BTW  If you dont live in the US why the fuck are you even commenting? Does it affect you? Are you pissed at your mother? Or are you just the run of the mill Bush basher? Hell, congress is controled by the democrats now and they haven't done anything but suspend the bill for a fence with Mexico. So if you dont live here in the US then go to hell.
Why don't we just fly you all to your own planet? You can fuck that up with your freedom-spreading all you want, we'll be happy without you.
Why don't you just leave?  We don't need dingos and shrimp on the barb.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I think we were you to poll all the people in the world as to whether they'd prefer we sent the Americans or the Aussies off to their own planet, the Americans would win. Nothing personal of course, I quite like Americans, but I don't think most people have a problem with the Aussies. Apart from the English.
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6656|United States of America
G. W. Bush > Than any Democat that ran against him

Maybe you should look at you liberal shit party for the reason that we have such a moron as President.  Not my fault that Al Gore and John Kerry brought out the Defensive voting in people.  Did you actually listen to the shit AG and JK said?

We are truely screwed with these two parties running things. 

btw, at least the US/World economy didn't collapse after 9/11 like would have happened if Al Gore and the socialists were in power at the time.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6368|Columbus, Ohio

ghettoperson wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Spark wrote:


Why don't we just fly you all to your own planet? You can fuck that up with your freedom-spreading all you want, we'll be happy without you.
Why don't you just leave?  We don't need dingos and shrimp on the barb.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I think we were you to poll all the people in the world as to whether they'd prefer we sent the Americans or the Aussies off to their own planet, the Americans would win. Nothing personal of course, I quite like Americans, but I don't think most people have a problem with the Aussies. Apart from the English.
True....since the Aussies can't even get to another planet.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6672|UK

ghettoperson wrote:

There hasn't been enough blind patriotism in this thread so far, so I'll have to wait before I can argue with someone. Great thread though, a most enjoyable read.

BTW, call me a dumbass, but what's the last word supposed to be? Ending in f? I've pobably missed something here, but I can't for the life of me think of a swearword ending in f. Ah well.
That's cos you have a filthy mind GP!

The word you're looking for is 'yourself'

Anti climax or wot huh?!

Last edited by m3thod (2007-01-24 06:27:41)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6672|UK

Major_Spittle wrote:

btw, at least the US/World economy didn't collapse after 9/11 like would have happened if Al Gore and the socialists were in power at the time.
Quick! Lend me that crystal ball, you've just given me a reason to purchase my first lottery ticket.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6557

Major_Spittle wrote:

btw, at least the US/World economy didn't collapse after 9/11 like would have happened if Al Gore and the socialists were in power at the time.
LOL 'Socialists'. American politicians don't know the meaning of the word, republican or democrat. You've basically got a choice between an extreme right wing party and a slightly less right wing party (economically speaking).

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-24 06:34:13)

CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6557

jonnykill wrote:

One thing you have to bear in mind is that the only reason Bush got re-elected is because days before the vote Osama Bin Laden threatened the American people saying if we do in fact re-elect him he will attack America again. And that right there is pretty much the only reason. The only reason people ( Americans )are bitching about Iraq is that we haven't had any attacks in America. I think we would be more solidified if there was another attack. And as far as Iraq goes I'd like to see any other country try to pull off the impossible. And the impossible is trying to unite 3 different ethnic people after 50 years of torture and hate. Then fight off an influx of Jihadists/extremists from 6-7 other different countries at the same time using guerrilla warfare.
If you ask me 3,000 KIA's in 4 years is pretty damn good. Look back at Russia vs the Muhajudeen in Chechnya. Russia lost 25,000 in one year, though those figures are sketchy, more like 55,000. Things could be much, much worse casualty wise.
Hilarious. Someone actually believes that, somehow, occupying Iraq is preventing terror attacks in the USA. That doesn't make much logical sense. If someone wanted to attack you on US soil they could do it with ease. 11 Iraqis were arrested crossing the Mexican border the other day or did you gloss over that story? The blindness of some people amazes me. The Iraq war is as much a 'war on terror' as it is a 'war on common sense'.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6650

CameronPoe wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

btw, at least the US/World economy didn't collapse after 9/11 like would have happened if Al Gore and the socialists were in power at the time.
LOL 'Socialists'. American politicians don't know the meaning of the word, republican or democrat. You've basically got a choice between an extreme right wing party and a slightly less right wing party (economically speaking).
As someone in the British government once explained:

"The American political system is very much like ours, except for that they have two political parties, the Republicans and the Democrats. The Republican party is much like our Conservative party, and the Democratic party is much like our Conservative party."

Can't remember it word for word, but anyway.
Fen321
Member
+54|6499|Singularity

CameronPoe wrote:

jonnykill wrote:

One thing you have to bear in mind is that the only reason Bush got re-elected is because days before the vote Osama Bin Laden threatened the American people saying if we do in fact re-elect him he will attack America again. And that right there is pretty much the only reason. The only reason people ( Americans )are bitching about Iraq is that we haven't had any attacks in America. I think we would be more solidified if there was another attack. And as far as Iraq goes I'd like to see any other country try to pull off the impossible. And the impossible is trying to unite 3 different ethnic people after 50 years of torture and hate. Then fight off an influx of Jihadists/extremists from 6-7 other different countries at the same time using guerrilla warfare.
If you ask me 3,000 KIA's in 4 years is pretty damn good. Look back at Russia vs the Muhajudeen in Chechnya. Russia lost 25,000 in one year, though those figures are sketchy, more like 55,000. Things could be much, much worse casualty wise.
Hilarious. Someone actually believes that, somehow, occupying Iraq is preventing terror attacks in the USA. That doesn't make much logical sense. If someone wanted to attack you on US soil they could do it with ease. 11 Iraqis were arrested crossing the Mexican border the other day or did you gloss over that story? The blindness of some people amazes me. The Iraq war is as much a 'war on terror' as it is a 'war on common sense'.
O M G don't you REALIZE that by taking the FIGHT to them we REDUCE the likely hood of an attack taking place at home! GOD!?!?!? I thought you would have seen by now that if we fight them -----> There <----- and not  --->here<---- we stop them from getting .....<---here?

Extreme ideological powers that the terrorist posses restrict their movements SINCE they are being attacked  ----->there<----

No attacks since 911 = FREEDOM










oh btw i enjoyed when the president listed off a handful of "prevented" terrorist attacks within the US, the list was well massive. Including the one alleged British national that wanted to blow up airliners while over the Atlantic.....you know the guy that was acquitted we stopped THEM!

FUCK YeAH! AMERICA FUCK YEAH!

Last edited by Fen321 (2007-01-24 07:33:18)

too_money2007
Member
+145|6309|Keller, Tx
I watched it, liked it. I think the man is fucking trying. He knows he messed up.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6602|132 and Bush

Anybodykillz wrote:

If you know Bush is doing something wrong, then please tell me what he should be doing.
He has a nearly single minded approach to the Middle East. We should be talking at least to the ones causing much of the havoc in Iraq and targeting our soldiers. We owe that to our Men and Women in the service. You don't have to take military options off the table to do this.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
golgoj4
Member
+51|6775|North Hollywood

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

show some respect
-1 to cougar/frankman/turquoise
Maybe if he respected the men and women in uniform of this country. -1 to you for being in support of American servicemen and women throwing their lives away for G.W. Bush.

For shame!
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6368|Columbus, Ohio

golgoj4 wrote:

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

show some respect
-1 to cougar/frankman/turquoise
Maybe if he respected the men and women in uniform of this country. -1 to you for being in support of American servicemen and women throwing their lives away for G.W. Bush.

For shame!
You think people fight for the President?
IBleedGravy
Member
+3|6392|Richmond

Cougar wrote:

I was reading over the "State of the Union" address manuscript from earlier tonight and I have to vent my frustrations.  First of all the "state of the union" is shitty, because you made it shitty you fucking tard.  But the thing that really boils me is this whole Iraq issue that he repeats and dwells over like a broken record.

George W. Bush wrote:

We are carrying out a new strategy in Iraq -- a plan that demands more from Iraq's elected government, and gives our forces in Iraq the reinforcements they need to complete their mission.
Actually it doesn't look that much different to me. Same shit different day as they used to say.

George W. Bush wrote:

Our goal is a democratic Iraq that upholds the rule of law, respects the rights of its people, provides them security, and is an ally in the war on terror.
But we don't even do those things.  We vote and everything but I seriously doubt that the voting system is working correctly because after all, we re-elected you.  How the fuck can 150 million people be that stupid?  Granted there are a lot of stupid people out there, but 150 million doing the same exact stupid thing is pushing the laws of probability.  Also, you don't even respect our rights, so how can you demand it out of a forgiven nation? (Illegal wiretapping and phone tapping scandal anyone?)

George W. Bush wrote:

In order to make progress toward this goal, the Iraqi government must stop the sectarian violence in its capital. But the Iraqis are not yet ready to do this on their own. So we are deploying reinforcements of more than 20,000 additional soldiers and Marines to Iraq. The vast majority will go to Baghdad, where they will help Iraqi forces to clear and secure neighborhoods, and serve as advisers embedded in Iraqi Army units. With Iraqis in the lead, our forces will help secure the city by chasing down terrorists, insurgents, and roaming death squads. And in Anbar province -- where al Qaeda terrorists have gathered and local forces have begun showing a willingness to fight them -- we are sending an additional 4,000 United States Marines, with orders to find the terrorists and clear them out. We did not drive al Qaeda out of their safe haven in Afghanistan only to let them set up a new safe haven in a free Iraq.
But.......you guys have been telling us that the Iraqi forces are starting to take control of thier own neighborhoods and are almost strong enough to be on thier own, now they aren't even close?  20,000 people not close?  WTF?  Also, telling the terrorists that you are sending 20,000 troops to help take back Anbar Province.........*sigh*.  Hang out with Geraldo much?

George W. Bush wrote:

The people of Iraq want to live in peace,
Yeah, I know, CNN, FOXNEWS, BBC and all the major newspapers are just full of happy stories and lullibyes.  I like the one titled "I Went To The Market To Buy Some Oranges and Got Blown Up By an Old Knockoff of a Mini-Cooper"

George W. Bush wrote:

and now is the time for their government to act. Iraq's leaders know that our commitment is not open ended. They have promised to deploy more of their own troops to secure Baghdad -- and they must do so. They have ple..........blah blah blah blah more shit that's never gonna happen and false promises.
Snore.

George W. Bush wrote:

My fellow citizens, our military commanders and I have carefully weighed the options. We discussed every possible approach. In the end, I chose this course of action because it provides the best chance of success. Many in this chamber understand that America must not fail in Iraq -- because you understand that the consequences of failure would be grievous and far reaching.
Well, I'm sure the military leaders have, but I think you are a bit stupid.  Also, I do understand the price of failure in Iraq, I mean, WTF would we do if we had to ration our gas by not driving big ass SUV's that suck down 5 gallons per mile or *GASP* maybe even have to go to alternate fuel sources!!??  THE HORROR!

George W. Bush wrote:

If American forces step back before Baghdad is secure, the Iraqi government would be overrun by extremists on all sides. We could expect an epic battle between Shia extremists backed by Iran, and Sunni extremists aided by al Qaeda and supporters of the old regime. A contagion of violence could spill out across the country -- and in time the entire region could be drawn into the conflict.
So.......I'm supposed to believe that the Iraqi forces are fully capable of taking care of themselves, because afterall, we trained them, but at the same time I'm not supposed to believe that they can take care of themselves because if we leave they will be overrun and the Earth will explode? 

2+2=5 perhaps?  Double + Ungood?  Newspeak?

George W. Bush wrote:

For America, this is a nightmare scenario.
Stop trying to scare people all the time you fucking asshole!!!

George W. Bush wrote:

For the enemy, this is the objective. Chaos is their greatest ally in this struggle. And out of chaos in Iraq, would emerge an emboldened enemy with new safe havens... new recruits ... new resources ... and an even greater determination to harm America. To allow this to happen would be to ignore the lessons of September 11th and invite tragedy. And ladies and gentlemen, nothing is more important at this moment in our history than for America to succeed in the Middle East ... to succeed in Iraq ... and to spare the American people from this danger.
Yes, yes, scare the shit out of people, use Sept 11, yet again in your State of the Union address to make people know how HORRIBLE and TERRIFYING it will be if we don't send 20,000 more troops to Iraq.  The only thing I am scared of is you fucking things up.......worse than they already are, because you are a fucking deet da dee.  The Iraqi terrorists never illegally tapped my phone, never tried to pass a bill through the system that pretty much fucks half my rights and is ironically entitled "Patriot Act", never ruined the foriegn relations of my country with literally every single ally we fucking had except for Britain, and they don't come on TV and release statements nearly everyday telling me how fucking scared of my fucking mind I should be!!  YOU SUCK! 

Where the hell is Teddy Roosevelt when you need him?!  He'd speak softly and ram his big stick right up your ass, straight out of the White House gates and into the presidential dumpster where you belong.
First let me say this.  I had family that died in the Sept 11th attacks, and I'm damn glad that Bush has the balls to keep his convictions, cause I will never forget unlike you - pansy liberal.   While you may be entitled to your opinion, it's just that, your opinion.   I'm sure if you took the BONG out of your face long enough to go to the voters box and do your part we wouldn't be having this conversation would we.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6368|Columbus, Ohio

IBleedGravy wrote:

I'm sure if you took the BONG out of your face long enough to go to the voters box and do your part we wouldn't be having this conversation would we.
lol....I thought the same thing.  Another know it all college kid.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6650

Man, you guys all really hate weed don't you?
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6368|Columbus, Ohio

ghettoperson wrote:

Man, you guys all really hate weed don't you?
Nope.  But people who are addicted to it annoy me.
Colfax
PR Only
+70|6645|United States - Illinois
If you have a problem with Bush then do something about it.  Dems have congress.  So stop TALKING about what should be happening and do it. 

You got two years Dems.  Do something or you're screwed in 2008.
Fen321
Member
+54|6499|Singularity

IBleedGravy wrote:

Cougar wrote:

I was reading over the "State of the Union" address manuscript from earlier tonight and I have to vent my frustrations.  First of all the "state of the union" is shitty, because you made it shitty you fucking tard.  But the thing that really boils me is this whole Iraq issue that he repeats and dwells over like a broken record.

George W. Bush wrote:

We are carrying out a new strategy in Iraq -- a plan that demands more from Iraq's elected government, and gives our forces in Iraq the reinforcements they need to complete their mission.
Actually it doesn't look that much different to me. Same shit different day as they used to say.

George W. Bush wrote:

Our goal is a democratic Iraq that upholds the rule of law, respects the rights of its people, provides them security, and is an ally in the war on terror.
But we don't even do those things.  We vote and everything but I seriously doubt that the voting system is working correctly because after all, we re-elected you.  How the fuck can 150 million people be that stupid?  Granted there are a lot of stupid people out there, but 150 million doing the same exact stupid thing is pushing the laws of probability.  Also, you don't even respect our rights, so how can you demand it out of a forgiven nation? (Illegal wiretapping and phone tapping scandal anyone?)

George W. Bush wrote:

In order to make progress toward this goal, the Iraqi government must stop the sectarian violence in its capital. But the Iraqis are not yet ready to do this on their own. So we are deploying reinforcements of more than 20,000 additional soldiers and Marines to Iraq. The vast majority will go to Baghdad, where they will help Iraqi forces to clear and secure neighborhoods, and serve as advisers embedded in Iraqi Army units. With Iraqis in the lead, our forces will help secure the city by chasing down terrorists, insurgents, and roaming death squads. And in Anbar province -- where al Qaeda terrorists have gathered and local forces have begun showing a willingness to fight them -- we are sending an additional 4,000 United States Marines, with orders to find the terrorists and clear them out. We did not drive al Qaeda out of their safe haven in Afghanistan only to let them set up a new safe haven in a free Iraq.
But.......you guys have been telling us that the Iraqi forces are starting to take control of thier own neighborhoods and are almost strong enough to be on thier own, now they aren't even close?  20,000 people not close?  WTF?  Also, telling the terrorists that you are sending 20,000 troops to help take back Anbar Province.........*sigh*.  Hang out with Geraldo much?

George W. Bush wrote:

The people of Iraq want to live in peace,
Yeah, I know, CNN, FOXNEWS, BBC and all the major newspapers are just full of happy stories and lullibyes.  I like the one titled "I Went To The Market To Buy Some Oranges and Got Blown Up By an Old Knockoff of a Mini-Cooper"

George W. Bush wrote:

and now is the time for their government to act. Iraq's leaders know that our commitment is not open ended. They have promised to deploy more of their own troops to secure Baghdad -- and they must do so. They have ple..........blah blah blah blah more shit that's never gonna happen and false promises.
Snore.

George W. Bush wrote:

My fellow citizens, our military commanders and I have carefully weighed the options. We discussed every possible approach. In the end, I chose this course of action because it provides the best chance of success. Many in this chamber understand that America must not fail in Iraq -- because you understand that the consequences of failure would be grievous and far reaching.
Well, I'm sure the military leaders have, but I think you are a bit stupid.  Also, I do understand the price of failure in Iraq, I mean, WTF would we do if we had to ration our gas by not driving big ass SUV's that suck down 5 gallons per mile or *GASP* maybe even have to go to alternate fuel sources!!??  THE HORROR!

George W. Bush wrote:

If American forces step back before Baghdad is secure, the Iraqi government would be overrun by extremists on all sides. We could expect an epic battle between Shia extremists backed by Iran, and Sunni extremists aided by al Qaeda and supporters of the old regime. A contagion of violence could spill out across the country -- and in time the entire region could be drawn into the conflict.
So.......I'm supposed to believe that the Iraqi forces are fully capable of taking care of themselves, because afterall, we trained them, but at the same time I'm not supposed to believe that they can take care of themselves because if we leave they will be overrun and the Earth will explode? 

2+2=5 perhaps?  Double + Ungood?  Newspeak?

George W. Bush wrote:

For America, this is a nightmare scenario.
Stop trying to scare people all the time you fucking asshole!!!

George W. Bush wrote:

For the enemy, this is the objective. Chaos is their greatest ally in this struggle. And out of chaos in Iraq, would emerge an emboldened enemy with new safe havens... new recruits ... new resources ... and an even greater determination to harm America. To allow this to happen would be to ignore the lessons of September 11th and invite tragedy. And ladies and gentlemen, nothing is more important at this moment in our history than for America to succeed in the Middle East ... to succeed in Iraq ... and to spare the American people from this danger.
Yes, yes, scare the shit out of people, use Sept 11, yet again in your State of the Union address to make people know how HORRIBLE and TERRIFYING it will be if we don't send 20,000 more troops to Iraq.  The only thing I am scared of is you fucking things up.......worse than they already are, because you are a fucking deet da dee.  The Iraqi terrorists never illegally tapped my phone, never tried to pass a bill through the system that pretty much fucks half my rights and is ironically entitled "Patriot Act", never ruined the foriegn relations of my country with literally every single ally we fucking had except for Britain, and they don't come on TV and release statements nearly everyday telling me how fucking scared of my fucking mind I should be!!  YOU SUCK! 

Where the hell is Teddy Roosevelt when you need him?!  He'd speak softly and ram his big stick right up your ass, straight out of the White House gates and into the presidential dumpster where you belong.
First let me say this.  I had family that died in the Sept 11th attacks, and I'm damn glad that Bush has the balls to keep his convictions, cause I will never forget unlike you - pansy liberal.   While you may be entitled to your opinion, it's just that, your opinion.   I'm sure if you took the BONG out of your face long enough to go to the voters box and do your part we wouldn't be having this conversation would we.
First i feel for your lose for regardless of any political affiliation the attacks are still looked upon as an atrocity.

BUT

Can you tell me the direct connection between 9/11 and Iraq?

Come on pansy-conservative, please inform me of the dire need to invade this country.

And its redundant to tell people that their opinion is just that their opinion......<^>

How would voting stop the president from invading a country in 2003? gee i think we voted him in a few years prior to that........but yeah you know voting in hindsight could have stopped it
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6368|Columbus, Ohio
Can you guys PLEASE stop quoting so many lines of text?   Pretty please?

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