Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7117|Tampa Bay Florida
Thought some of you would like to read this

JAKARTA, Indonesia (CNN) -- Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a "madrassa" are not accurate, according to CNN reporting.

Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.

Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and step-father and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school, but an aide said it was not a madrassa.

Insight attributed the information in its article to an unnamed source, who said it was discovered by "researchers connected to Senator Clinton." A spokesman for Clinton, who is also weighing a White House bid, denied that the campaign was the source of the Obama claim.

He called the story "an obvious right-wing hit job."

Insight stood by its story in a response posted on its Web site Monday afternoon.

The Insight article was cited several times Friday on Fox News and was also referenced by the New York Post, The Glenn Beck program on CNN Headline News and a number of political blogs.

School not a madrassa
But reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.

He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.

"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."

Vause reported he saw boys and girls dressed in neat school uniforms playing outside the school, while teachers were dressed in Western-style clothes.

"I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the "Situation Room" Monday. "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."

Vause also interviewed one of Obama's Basuki classmates, Bandug Winadijanto, who claims that not a lot has changed at the school since the two men were pupils. Insight reported that Obama's political opponents believed the school promoted Wahhabism, a fundamentalist form of Islam, "and are seeking to prove it."

"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."

The Obama aide described Fox News' broadcasting of the Insight story "appallingly irresponsible."

Fox News executive Bill Shine told CNN "Reliable Sources" anchor Howard Kurtz that some of the network's hosts were simply expressing their opinions and repeatedly cited Insight as the source of the allegations.

Obama has noted in his two books, "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," that he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school while living in Indonesia from age 6 to 10.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/ … index.html

It's January of 2007 and there's already mudslinging going on.  Only god knows how bad it will be in fall of 08....

Last edited by Spearhead (2007-01-22 17:11:55)

Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7117|Tampa Bay Florida
lol - edited title
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7059|949

Yeah, the Washington Times is owned by Moonie founder and loyal friend of the Republican Party Sun Myung Moon.  I'm pretty sure he loses money every year publishing the Washington Times, and I'm sure Insight Magazine is no different.

Pathetic that American Politics has devolved into this.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-01-22 17:16:39)

DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7112|United States of America
It'd take a lot more to make me believe he was taught in one of those schools to begin with.
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7081|Teesside, UK

Spearhead wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/index.html

It's January of 2007 and there's already mudslinging going on.  Only god knows how bad it will be in fall of 08....
I vaguely remember something when Arnie was campaigning about liking Nazi's.  Is it that common & blatant?

Last edited by crimson_grunt (2007-01-22 17:22:56)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

Hillary swings first...lol
She jumped in too early.
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bob_6012
Resident M-14 fanatic
+59|7082|Lancaster Ohio, USA
I'm not really surprised about this. Hillary is already starting to show her true colors, my God have mercy on our souls.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7059|949

I'd be willing to bet this was placed by Republican strategists, not Hillary.
san4
The Mas
+311|7115|NYC, a place to live
Who would be better to take on the terrorists than a President who was trained in one of their schools? Obama in 2008!
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
"associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton" spreading lies about a fellow democrat? Surely that is a misprint.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I'd be willing to bet this was placed by Republican strategists, not Hillary.
Actually its already been tracked back to Hillary's camp.

Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.
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KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7059|949

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I'd be willing to bet this was placed by Republican strategists, not Hillary.
Actually its already been tracked back to Hillary's camp.

Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.
I understand that.  That's like me breaking news on my blog that I unearthed information that GWB was the real leak for the Valarie Plame case.  Trivial, circumstantial evidence at best, in both cases.

If Newsweek or US News and World Report broke this story, I would be more inclined to believe it.  Not so for a wannabe magazine funded by a known Republican donor.

I don't know for a fact either way, I simply would be willing to gamble that Republican strategists were behind the story, not Clinton aides.

Not that I would put that beyond her.  If there is one power-hungry cunt in the world, it's her.
Canin
Conservative Roman Catholic
+280|6902|Foothills of S. Carolina

I wouldn't trust either of the sources, myself. But thats because I prefer to think that all news media has bias, and also I am not fond of Obama, and wouldn't put it past Clinton to do such a thing.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I'd be willing to bet this was placed by Republican strategists, not Hillary.
Actually its already been tracked back to Hillary's camp.

Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.
I understand that.  That's like me breaking news on my blog that I unearthed information that GWB was the real leak for the Valarie Plame case.  Trivial, circumstantial evidence at best, in both cases.

If Newsweek or US News and World Report broke this story, I would be more inclined to believe it.  Not so for a wannabe magazine funded by a known Republican donor.

I don't know for a fact either way, I simply would be willing to gamble that Republican strategists were behind the story, not Clinton aides.

Not that I would put that beyond her.  If there is one power-hungry cunt in the world, it's her.
Given the timing of the story it most likely isn't Republican generated. The general strategy this early on is to allow each side to generate material to be used later. Exposing something like this to try and break down the opponents of the opposite party is not tactically sound. Someone will take their place or it gives the other party plenty of time time retort. That's why I said I can't believe Hillary jumped in this early. She will be the obvious front runner and usually the front runner allows their competition to waste money while anticipation of their announcement builds up. You have to see that quickly brushing this off does nothing but promote Obama as someone who is able to handle himself. He knows he is lacking in the history department and he is trying to establish himself. Unfortunately in politics you need to always be on the lookout for the ulterior motive. As of right now each individual party would like to see many different opponents remain in the race. It is when the other party starts to unite behind one person that they start lobbing personal attacks across party lines.
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ghettoperson
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I have to say, previously I wasn't that bothered about who became the democratic nominee, but coming up with something like that is pretty low, especially in a time when every thinks "ZOMG a muslim! Kill him with fire!".

It's pretty pathetic when politics has to resort to this.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7117|Tampa Bay Florida
It's right wing generated.  They knew it probably wasn't true, that's why they made a report so early in the race.  It generates sh*t about Obama, and at the same time making Hillary look like a backstabber.

I could be wrong, of course.  But remember, the media has nothing to lose and everything to gain, while the politicians have a very little chance of gaining anything at all, and everything to lose.  That's why I don't believe Hillary was behind it.
Ajax_the_Great1
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Spearhead wrote:

It's right wing generated.  They knew it probably wasn't true, that's why they made a report so early in the race.  It generates sh*t about Obama, and at the same time making Hillary look like a backstabber.

I could be wrong, of course.  But remember, the media has nothing to lose and everything to gain, while the politicians have a very little chance of gaining anything at all, and everything to lose.  That's why I don't believe Hillary was behind it.
So you don't know yet you still believe. Don't you go about bashing christianity for the same reasons?
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7117|Tampa Bay Florida
Nothing is 100 percent certain, Ajax.  Otherwise people would believe everything that existed.  I'm saying I believe it was a right wing ploy, by some idiot who's just trying to stir things up.  But we will probably never know who it really came from.  If you anaylize the situation, you can easily assume that it came from the right, for reasons I explained in my other post.  You stir up crap about Obama, while at the same time making Hillary Clinton look like a backstabber.  I'm not saying I like her, but I seriously doubt she'd do something as low as this.  She knows it would be the end of her career.

I bash Christians who impose their beliefs on others.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background

The sources said Ms. Clinton regards Mr. Obama as her most formidable opponent and the biggest obstacle to the Democratic Party’s 2008 presidential nomination. They said Ms. Clinton has been angered by Mr. Obama's efforts to tap her supporters for donations.

Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?

This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-23 21:17:45)

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Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7074
So is Obama christian then?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina
I think this whole mess is a very clever way of pitting Obama and Clinton against each other.  Very clever indeed...

EDIT:  Besides, we all know that a frontrunner in the Democratic presidential race would go to a conservative news source first in revealing a nasty rumor about Obama.

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-01-23 21:36:28)

13rin
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I'd be willing to bet this was placed by Republican strategists, not Hillary.
I'd take that bet.
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