jkohlc
2142th Whore
+214|6536|Singapore
few days back i was watching the show "Boys' Toys" on nat geo and they showed a SABOT tank shell without the sabot...it is a sharp rod and it can punch a hole in and out of the tank...

if it can make a clean hole in and out of the tank without exploding...why is it still so deadly?
-=]DeatH1337[=-
Member
+51|6644|England
Probably becuase it would go through anything that is INSIDE the tank as well. If it can punch through it could also effectively disable it.
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6500|Gogledd Cymru

in most case's I've heard of it pierces the side of the tank turning its Armour into molten metal,
the force of this impact sprays the molten metal and fragments of metal all around the insides where the people sit.
and as people don't mix well with very hot flying metal they die.
and without a crew the tank wont do much damage other than just sitting there an looking mean.
[TP~Bravo]Wiggy
Failure By Design
+39|6556|Cardiff, Wales, Uk.

Theavonlady.org wrote:

In one simple sentence, use Sabot rounds against armored vehicles, like APCs and tanks and use HEAT rounds against infantry, cars, trucks and buildings. For a detailed explanation of the difference between Sabot and HEAT rounds, read the following:

Tank projectiles are basically broken down into two types: shaped charge rounds and kinetic-energy penetrators. The two rounds differ in both composition and concept. Shaped round charges--or HEAT charges--focus the energy from an explosion into a small, concentrated area in order to penetrate armor plates. In order to defend against such projectiles, scientists developed combination armor that combined the hardness of steel with the fluid properties of ceramics. Combination armor combines a layer of honeycombed ceramic sandwiched by two layers of steel plates. Although the HEAT round easily penetrates the outer steel plate, the ceramics "flow" around the jet and break the jet into smaller components, spreading the force of the blast out into a larger area and reducing the effectiveness of the HEAT round.

The innovation of combination armor required the use of kinetic energy to punch through armor. This was no new inspiration, but was the original concept behind tank projectiles. Instead of relying on the HEAT round's explosive jet to pierce armor, kinetic-energy penetrators rely on mass and velocity. The armor-piercing fin-stabilized discarding-sabot (APFSDS) rounds contain very dense, long, slender darts, and are called long-rod penetrators. Commonly referred to as sabot rounds, these rounds burrow into a tank's armor upon impact. If the round contains enough kinetic energy, it will pass through the tank's armor and destroys whatever is inside. Often times, however, the round does not contain enough energy to penetrate all the way through. Although the round does not fully penetrate the armor, it creates many small armor fragments that discharge into the tank, causing destruction inside.

With rounds that use both kinetic-energy and the concentration of explosions to penetrate armor, scientists constantly research new ways to defend against such rounds and improve the survivability of armored vehicles. Using a combination of armor thickness, innovative materials, (combination armor and depleted uranium, for example) and armor slope assists the scientist in protecting against the different types of projectiles. The latest type of protection comes from reactive armor. Reactive armor is described as a sandwich of explosive between metal plates that explodes when a round strikes it. The explosive in the reactive armor detonates at the same time as a HEAT round, throwing the steel plates out against the round and highly disrupting the jet. Reactive armor's effectiveness against long-rod penetrators, however, is less significant because the sabot round is too massive for the steel plates to block.
Stealth_Bain
Member
+19|6507|England, United Kingdom

-=]DeatH1337[=- wrote:

Probably becuase it would go through anything that is INSIDE the tank as well. If it can punch through it could also effectively disable it.
it creates a lot of internal sharpnel too and will tear everything apart! lovely,
jkohlc
2142th Whore
+214|6536|Singapore
so..it will leave you a nice empty tank that just requires some repair to make it working again?
Sneaky.Russian
Random Hero
+119|6332|Australia QLD

jkohlc wrote:

so..it will leave you a nice empty tank that just requires some repair to make it working again?
*pulls out a wrench*
Longbow
Member
+163|6657|Odessa, Ukraine

jkohlc wrote:

so..it will leave you a nice empty tank that just requires some repair to make it working again?
Exactly .
imortal
Member
+240|6675|Austin, TX

jkohlc wrote:

so..it will leave you a nice empty tank that just requires some repair to make it working again?
Sorta depends on where you hit it.  For example, on a Russian T-series tank (T-64 through T-80), The powder loading carosel goes around the inside of the turrett around the turret ring (the area where the turret meets the hull).  This, through unfortunate happenstance, is the area that U.S. tank gunners are trained to aim for.  A hit there caused the poweder to detonate, causing an overpressure that would 'pop' the turret right off the hull.   Also, a sabot round through the engine compartment basically trashes the engine.  30 ton paperweight.

Also, I think you underestimate the 'some repair' it would take to get it working again.

But in some circumstances, you most likely can reapir some of the sabot killed tanks.
seymorebutts443
Ready for combat
+211|6605|Belchertown Massachusetts, USA
sabots kill the crew via shrapnel, and they cause a massive shockwave causing the magazenes to explode.
Kurazoo
Pheasant Plucker
+440|6694|West Yorkshire, U.K
An Armour-Piercing, Fin-Stabilised, Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) projectile uses the sabot principle and that of fin (drag) stabilisation. In this the sub-projectile carried by the sabot is made long and thin, this increases its sectional density and thus penetration potential. However once a projectile has a length to diameter ratio of greater than ten, shorter for higher density projectiles, spin stabilisation becomes ineffective. Due to this the projectile must abandon spin stabilisation and instead use drag stabilisation, in this case fins attached to its base. The outcome of this is that the sub-projectile of an APFSDS round resembles a large metallic arrow.

Large calibre APFSDS projectiles are often fired from smooth-bore (unrifled) barrels, though they can be and often are fired from rifled guns. This is especially true when fired from small to medium calibre weapon systems. Although APFSDS projectiles are normally made from high density metal alloys; tungsten heavy alloys (WHA) or depleted uranium (DU), maraging steel has been used for some early Soviet projectiles. Even though they have a lower penetration performance compared to DU alloys, the preferred material in non-Russian/UK/US countries are now WHAs, due to their more benign nature. DU alloys suffer from radiological and toxic hazards, but do offer greater penetration for a variety reasons (density, self-sharpening).
Skorpy-chan
Member
+127|6355|Twyford, UK
The material they make the sabots out of is Depleted Uranium. It's pyrophoric; it catches fire in air. Thus, when it goes through the first set of armour, the sabot disentegrates and catches fire. Aside from horribly burning everyone inside, it uses up all the oxygen, and sets off any ammunition lying around.
You also get a good-size chunk of very dense material flying out the other side.

However, due to political backlash agains scattering slightly radioactive dust everywhere and use of the word 'uranium', people are now using tungsten, which just goes in and takes chunks of the armour with it. These don't set off everything automatically, and so are usually followed up with a HEAT round (High Explosive Anti-Tank), which is a shell designed to send a jet of molten metal (usually copper) through the tank's armour on impact. This is extremely hot, as well as there being a lot of force transferred. This, combined with the already-weakened structure, makes a garaunteed boom.

Incidentally, the words 'uranium', 'nuclear', and 'radioactive' can panic politicians. Go on, try it with your local senator today!
They're also words that can set off government search engines, just like 'dirty bomb', 'assassination', and 'illuminati'.
47man
Member
+46|6434|Cali

jkohlc wrote:

so..it will leave you a nice empty tank that just requires some repair to make it working again?
It inflicts casualties, tanks are infinately replaceable, people are not.
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|6839|Grapevine, TX

jkohlc wrote:

few days back i was watching the show "Boys' Toys" on nat geo and they showed a SABOT tank shell without the sabot...it is a sharp rod and it can punch a hole in and out of the tank...

if it can make a clean hole in and out of the tank without exploding...why is it still so deadly?
It is a two part weapon, 1st explosion blows off the appliqué? armor on the out side of the target, then the depleted uranium tip or spear goes in  and destroys the said target. In testing they put live goats in the target vehicles, as I was told, and the SABOT round exited the vehicle, creating such a vacuum that a lot of the said goat was pulled out the exit hole. You decide, but the thing to remember is, if a M1A1 is honed in on your position, your fucked.
delta4bravo*nl*
Dutch Delight
+68|6762

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

jkohlc wrote:

few days back i was watching the show "Boys' Toys" on nat geo and they showed a SABOT tank shell without the sabot...it is a sharp rod and it can punch a hole in and out of the tank...

if it can make a clean hole in and out of the tank without exploding...why is it still so deadly?
It is a two part weapon, 1st explosion blows off the appliqué? armor on the out side of the target, then the depleted uranium tip or spear goes in  and destroys the said target. In testing they put live goats in the target vehicles, as I was told, and the SABOT round exited the vehicle, creating such a vacuum that a lot of the said goat was pulled out the exit hole. You decide, but the thing to remember is, if a M1A1 is honed in on your position, your fucked.
oh man this made me laugh,
kinetic energy uses mass and speed penetrate Armour, the tungsten or depleted uranium rods have a V0 between 1600 en 2100 m/s(meters per second)
Now when the Armour is penetrated (will happen on any Russian tank) the energy released transfers into HEAT(so hot anything will com bust spontaneous) witch will set off fuel, ammo etc etc and then after you see the turret of the tank fly into the sky.
How do I know?, well I used to be a tank commander.

https://www.army-technology.com/contractors/ammunition/apfsds01.jpg

http://www.defence.co.kr/weaponbook/wim … round1.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDAnLuvJx-k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdB1nLNte4Y

Last edited by delta4bravo*nl* (2007-01-20 17:53:05)

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