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2007-01-16 12:31:37
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6871|The Land of Scott Walker
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/euro … es_to_Iran

http://www.middle-east-online.com/ENGLISH/?id=19013

MOSCOW - "Controversial Russian contracts to sell anti-aircraft weapons to Syria and Iran are being fulfilled on schedule, Russian news agencies cited defence and industry officials as saying Tuesday.  At least half of the 29 Tor-M1 missile systems bought by Iran for 1.4 billion dollars (1.06 billion euros) had been delivered, state-run ITAR-TASS quoted an unnamed source at the defence ministry as saying.  "We are actively carrying out deliveries of the system to Iran. At least 50 percent of the contract has been delivered," the official was quoted as saying.  The air defence systems are being stationed around Iran's civilian nuclear sites, according to ITAR-TASS."

Civilian nuclear sites ... riiiiight.  That's why the need AA missiles.
2007-01-16 12:35:40
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7269|Reykjavík, Iceland.
Uhm, wasn't this already posted? I remember seeing news of Russia selling Iran Tor-1 AA missiles before.
2007-01-16 12:37:49
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6871|The Land of Scott Walker
If so, I'll delete this.  Official news was announced today.  The rumor that the sale was going to be completed was revealed around mid 2006, but now the Russians have admitted it.
2007-01-16 12:38:52
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7269|Reykjavík, Iceland.
That might be the thing I heard, so nvm then
2007-01-16 12:44:53
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7080|Teesside, UK

Stingray24 wrote:

Civilian nuclear sites ... riiiiight.  That's why the need AA missiles.
They're probably convinced the West going is to try and attack whether its civilian or not.
2007-01-16 12:59:15
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6981

Stingray24 wrote:

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/europe/news/article_1247362.php/US_objects_to_Russian_sale_of_anti-aircraft_missiles_to_Iran

http://www.middle-east-online.com/ENGLISH/?id=19013

MOSCOW - "Controversial Russian contracts to sell anti-aircraft weapons to Syria and Iran are being fulfilled on schedule, Russian news agencies cited defence and industry officials as saying Tuesday.  At least half of the 29 Tor-M1 missile systems bought by Iran for 1.4 billion dollars (1.06 billion euros) had been delivered, state-run ITAR-TASS quoted an unnamed source at the defence ministry as saying.  "We are actively carrying out deliveries of the system to Iran. At least 50 percent of the contract has been delivered," the official was quoted as saying.  The air defence systems are being stationed around Iran's civilian nuclear sites, according to ITAR-TASS."

Civilian nuclear sites ... riiiiight.  That's why the need AA missiles.
Have you ever heard about what happened to the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq? It's common sense to deploy AA-missile launchers with state terrorists Israel only a hop, skip and a jump away.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-16 12:59:38)

2007-01-16 13:06:01
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7008|SE London

CameronPoe wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/europe/news/article_1247362.php/US_objects_to_Russian_sale_of_anti-aircraft_missiles_to_Iran

http://www.middle-east-online.com/ENGLISH/?id=19013

MOSCOW - "Controversial Russian contracts to sell anti-aircraft weapons to Syria and Iran are being fulfilled on schedule, Russian news agencies cited defence and industry officials as saying Tuesday.  At least half of the 29 Tor-M1 missile systems bought by Iran for 1.4 billion dollars (1.06 billion euros) had been delivered, state-run ITAR-TASS quoted an unnamed source at the defence ministry as saying.  "We are actively carrying out deliveries of the system to Iran. At least 50 percent of the contract has been delivered," the official was quoted as saying.  The air defence systems are being stationed around Iran's civilian nuclear sites, according to ITAR-TASS."

Civilian nuclear sites ... riiiiight.  That's why the need AA missiles.
Have you ever heard about what happened to the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq? It's common sense to deploy AA-missile launchers with state terrorists Israel only a hop, skip and a jump away.
They also build their reactors underground for that very reason I believe. So Israel have been threatening to nuke them haven't they? According to the Times at least. Israel has denied all allegations, but with their track record in this type of incidents I'm not very inclined to believe them, I'm far more inclined to believe one of the UKs best papers.
2007-01-16 13:07:48
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6955|Global Command
Then wouldn't it make sense for Iran to stop saying they are going to wipe Israel off the face of the planet?
2007-01-16 13:09:38
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6871|The Land of Scott Walker

crimson_grunt wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Civilian nuclear sites ... riiiiight.  That's why the need AA missiles.
They're probably convinced the West going is to try and attack whether its civilian or not.
If the sites truly are civilian, then why refuse inspections to verify their non-military use?
2007-01-16 13:19:07
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7097|UK

Stingray24 wrote:

crimson_grunt wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Civilian nuclear sites ... riiiiight.  That's why the need AA missiles.
They're probably convinced the West going is to try and attack whether its civilian or not.
If the sites truly are civilian, then why refuse inspections to verify their non-military use?
US agents in disguise.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-01-16 14:10:54
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7008|SE London

ATG wrote:

Then wouldn't it make sense for Iran to stop saying they are going to wipe Israel off the face of the planet?
No, because any action Israel takes against Iran will instantly give Iran the moral (and diplomatic) high ground. They won't nuke Iran, because they'd get way too much flak for it from the diplomatic community, think massive economic sanctions by the EU and massive cuts in aid from the US. They may try to take out the sites with low yield nuclear bunker busters (which they'll get in lots of trouble for) and Iran are taking measures to make it as hard as possible for Israel to take such action.

Iran know they can't openly attack Israel, they'd get in way too much trouble. But provoking the Israelis into attacking Iran, they could do the most damage to Israel. That's possibly why they're doing it.
2007-01-16 14:16:44
CameronPoe
Member
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ATG wrote:

Then wouldn't it make sense for Iran to stop saying they are going to wipe Israel off the face of the planet?
That truly puzzles me. Methinks Ahmedinejad needs to go to some diplomacy and media handling seminars....
2007-01-16 14:19:55
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6820|The Gem Saloon
we dont have anything to worry about........those cats make all useless military hardware unless it was designed by kalishnikov.....
2007-01-16 14:29:14
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7097|UK

Parker wrote:

we dont have anything to worry about........those cats make all useless military hardware unless it was designed by kalishnikov.....
No one in their right mind would go toe to toe with the US therefore, military supremacy counts for nothing when you forced to engage an unknown enemy in a unfamiliar environment.  As it stands, dodgy IED's, rusty RPG's and decade old AK's are giving your boys a damn good thrashing.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-01-16 14:32:46
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6871|The Land of Scott Walker
Ok, Parker, I'll give you an F-15 to fly over and make sure they're useless ... make sure to use your chaff.

CameronPoe wrote:

Methinks Ahmedinejad needs to go to some diplomacy and media handling seminars....
He took the door on the left and missed the diplomacy seminar across the hall.  Instead he attended the "illlusions of jihadist grandeur" series.
2007-01-16 14:34:44
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6820|The Gem Saloon
i was thinking more along the lines of an f22.....but i can do an older one like say, the 117.........
2007-01-16 14:40:54
Stingray24
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Ok, either of those should work quite nicely, perhaps a B2 if you're going to do bunker busting?
2007-01-16 14:41:15
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6820|The Gem Saloon

m3thod wrote:

Parker wrote:

we dont have anything to worry about........those cats make all useless military hardware unless it was designed by kalishnikov.....
No one in their right mind would go toe to toe with the US therefore, military supremacy counts for nothing when you forced to engage an unknown enemy in a unfamiliar environment.  As it stands, dodgy IED's, rusty RPG's and decade old AK's are giving your boys a damn good thrashing.
only two things you described are decidedly RUSSIAN weapons.
like i said: unless it was designed by kalishnikov.........
and im pretty sure i was talking about anti aircraft missles, if you would like to discuss small arms of the world i would be more than happy too. just prepare yourself for a very long thread.
as it stands, dodgy IEDs, rusty rpgs and decade old KALISHNIKOVS wont hit a fucking jet, which is what AA is designed to do......

Last edited by Parker (2007-01-16 14:44:51)

2007-01-16 14:43:39
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6820|The Gem Saloon

Stingray24 wrote:

Ok, either of those should work quite nicely, perhaps a B2 if you're going to do bunker busting?
of course, how do i get shock and awe without that
nothing like flying a 3 billion dollar plane, or however much it is.......i used to have this book full of useless facts, and it broke down the price of a B2 per ounce and it came out to be like $130.......hell i know of drugs that are cheaper than that, lol
2007-01-16 14:59:29
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7008|SE London

Parker wrote:

we dont have anything to worry about........those cats make all useless military hardware unless it was designed by kalishnikov.....
That's not true.

What about stuff designed by Mikoyan or Lockheed or H&K?
2007-01-16 15:01:24
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6820|The Gem Saloon

Bertster7 wrote:

Parker wrote:

we dont have anything to worry about........those cats make all useless military hardware unless it was designed by kalishnikov.....
That's not true.

What about stuff designed by Mikoyan or Lockheed or H&K?
what about it.....mikoyan is the only russian company you listed.....our planes are better.
correct me if im wrong, but h and k is a german company and lockheed is american.


edit; im not saying that russians cant design good things......fucking igor sikorsky was russian.....but what i am saying is that society somehow limits the quality of certain items made there, particularly military hardware.

Last edited by Parker (2007-01-16 15:03:21)

2007-01-16 15:02:11
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7097|UK

Parker wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Parker wrote:

we dont have anything to worry about........those cats make all useless military hardware unless it was designed by kalishnikov.....
No one in their right mind would go toe to toe with the US therefore, military supremacy counts for nothing when you forced to engage an unknown enemy in a unfamiliar environment.  As it stands, dodgy IED's, rusty RPG's and decade old AK's are giving your boys a damn good thrashing.
only two things you described are decidedly RUSSIAN weapons.
like i said: unless it was designed by kalishnikov.........
and im pretty sure i was talking about anti aircraft missles, if you would like to discuss small arms of the world i would be more than happy too. just prepare yourself for a very long thread.
as it stands, dodgy IEDs, rusty rpgs and decade old KALISHNIKOVS wont hit a fucking jet, which is what AA is designed to do......
They would if superman handled one.

JK! i misread your post, for that i apologise.  I can't be arsed to delete it as you have already quoted it and anyway I'm off to bed.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-01-16 15:04:31
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7008|SE London

Parker wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Parker wrote:

we dont have anything to worry about........those cats make all useless military hardware unless it was designed by kalishnikov.....
That's not true.

What about stuff designed by Mikoyan or Lockheed or H&K?
what about it.....mikoyan is the only russian company you listed.....our planes are better.
correct me if im wrong, but h and k is a german company and lockheed is american.
They're all companies Iran military hardware is made by.

Anyone who discounts MiG-29 SMTs (like Iran use), really doesn't know what they're talking about. The MiG-29 SMT is comparable to virtually anything the US use. It doesn't have fancy and expensive stealth technology, but on combat ability, you really want to watch out.
2007-01-16 15:06:50
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7008|SE London

Parker wrote:

edit; im not saying that russians cant design good things......fucking igor sikorsky was russian.....but what i am saying is that society somehow limits the quality of certain items made there, particularly military hardware.
The Russians are the supreme experts in designing military hardware. They have been the most successfull nation ever at designing military hardware.
2007-01-16 15:12:25
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6820|The Gem Saloon

Bertster7 wrote:

Parker wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


That's not true.

What about stuff designed by Mikoyan or Lockheed or H&K?
what about it.....mikoyan is the only russian company you listed.....our planes are better.
correct me if im wrong, but h and k is a german company and lockheed is american.
They're all companies Iran military hardware is made by.

Anyone who discounts MiG-29 SMTs (like Iran use), really doesn't know what they're talking about. The MiG-29 SMT is comparable to virtually anything the US use. It doesn't have fancy and expensive stealth technology, but on combat ability, you really want to watch out.
yes but that same mig will get shot down LONG before it sees the F22 that fired the missle, or the AWACS that saw it in the first place. combat ability doesnt mean shit if there is nothing to combat.

whatever missle system they have isnt as good as the AEGIS system, period.
didnt know that h&k supplies iran....lol, no more money to them from me...oh well the USPs and SOCOMS are pretty useless anyway. but hey the G3 was a blast to shoot.....
http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f180/ … era066.flv
and as for lockheed, im sure whatever they are selling to iran, we already know how to shut it down if we ever need to.
so i stick to my original statement.....but ill clarify...i was speaking about the russians, i believe they cannot make military hardware that is good. exception-any kalishnikov.

 

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