Parker
isteal
+1,452|6820|The Gem Saloon

CameronPoe wrote:

Parker wrote:

cam do you have proof that our invasion of iraq was the cause of those attacks?
i honestly believe that if we are not somewhere they can attack us easily, they will come and attack us here. i know that is an extremely unpopular belief but im from the old school where standing up for what you believe in isnt dictated by popularity.

i do believe we need larger troop strength in afghanistan, but that does not mean i think we should pull out of iraq. what i have a hard time understanding is how everyone thinks that it is wrong. we were attacked, our civilians killed and our economy almost shattered. we will do what we must to survive,and if that means making attacks on unpopular targets, so be it.
The suicide notes of those Brits who blew up the trains and that bus in London stated that they were carrying out their acts in protest and retaliation for the invasion of Iraq.

I just don't see how fighting them 'over there' is preventing them from flying on a plane to Mexico, crossing the border, buying some fertiliser and blowing the shit out of something in the vast, vast country you live in. All Iraq is doing is producing more terrorists and generating more animosity towards the US, which has a shitty reputation in the region anyway given its support for state terrorists Israel and Saudi Arabia.
alright, the notes are pretty good proof, lol.
the way i see it, is if we are somewhere for them attack us, then dealing with getting on a plane and security and all the other bullshit that goes along with it, it would be far easier to just attack some american infidels that are in your own backyard. ok ok, the security thing was a little imagined on my part....after all you did say mexico.....but do you see my point, or at least understand the point im trying to make?
i think that we are exporting any future attacks when we are in ANY country in the middle east that makes it easier for them to attack us.


oh and marine....i think bush has a speech writer cause he has a hard time with the words sometimes........."nucelar" lol ill never forget that one.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6981

Parker wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Parker wrote:

cam do you have proof that our invasion of iraq was the cause of those attacks?
i honestly believe that if we are not somewhere they can attack us easily, they will come and attack us here. i know that is an extremely unpopular belief but im from the old school where standing up for what you believe in isnt dictated by popularity.

i do believe we need larger troop strength in afghanistan, but that does not mean i think we should pull out of iraq. what i have a hard time understanding is how everyone thinks that it is wrong. we were attacked, our civilians killed and our economy almost shattered. we will do what we must to survive,and if that means making attacks on unpopular targets, so be it.
The suicide notes of those Brits who blew up the trains and that bus in London stated that they were carrying out their acts in protest and retaliation for the invasion of Iraq.

I just don't see how fighting them 'over there' is preventing them from flying on a plane to Mexico, crossing the border, buying some fertiliser and blowing the shit out of something in the vast, vast country you live in. All Iraq is doing is producing more terrorists and generating more animosity towards the US, which has a shitty reputation in the region anyway given its support for state terrorists Israel and Saudi Arabia.
alright, the notes are pretty good proof, lol.
the way i see it, is if we are somewhere for them attack us, then dealing with getting on a plane and security and all the other bullshit that goes along with it, it would be far easier to just attack some american infidels that are in your own backyard. ok ok, the security thing was a little imagined on my part....after all you did say mexico.....but do you see my point, or at least understand the point im trying to make?
i think that we are exporting any future attacks when we are in ANY country in the middle east that makes it easier for them to attack us.


oh and marine....i think bush has a speech writer cause he has a hard time with the words sometimes........."nucelar" lol ill never forget that one.
I understand the point but that point essentially entails heaping the death toll onto the military rather than the civilian populace. Just trading victims really. US border controls are a far more pressing issue than Iraq with respect to terror I would personally believe. It seems that the US government have dropped the ball with respect to domestic security by labouring under the illusion that if they fight 'over there' then there will never be another attack on home soil.
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7080|Teesside, UK

Parker wrote:

alright, the notes are pretty good proof, lol.
the way i see it, is if we are somewhere for them attack us, then dealing with getting on a plane and security and all the other bullshit that goes along with it, it would be far easier to just attack some american infidels that are in your own backyard. ok ok, the security thing was a little imagined on my part....after all you did say mexico.....but do you see my point, or at least understand the point im trying to make?
i think that we are exporting any future attacks when we are in ANY country in the middle east that makes it easier for them to attack us.


oh and marine....i think bush has a speech writer cause he has a hard time with the words sometimes........."nucelar" lol ill never forget that one.
I guess i see where your coming from to some extent.  I'm assuming you agree that the main focus should have been Afghanistan as thats were Al-Qaeda were based instead of picking on a random neighbor and opening two hard to defend fronts?
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6793|Columbus, Ohio

Parker wrote:

oh and marine....i think bush has a speech writer cause he has a hard time with the words sometimes........."nucelar" lol ill never forget that one.
lol..true.  Who wrote Clinton's "depends what your definiton of is is" speech?
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6820|The Gem Saloon

crimson_grunt wrote:

Parker wrote:

alright, the notes are pretty good proof, lol.
the way i see it, is if we are somewhere for them attack us, then dealing with getting on a plane and security and all the other bullshit that goes along with it, it would be far easier to just attack some american infidels that are in your own backyard. ok ok, the security thing was a little imagined on my part....after all you did say mexico.....but do you see my point, or at least understand the point im trying to make?
i think that we are exporting any future attacks when we are in ANY country in the middle east that makes it easier for them to attack us.


oh and marine....i think bush has a speech writer cause he has a hard time with the words sometimes........."nucelar" lol ill never forget that one.
I guess i see where your coming from to some extent.  I'm assuming you agree that the main focus should have been Afghanistan as thats were Al-Qaeda were based instead of picking on a random neighbor and opening two hard to defend fronts?
indeed, afghanistan is where our enemies truly hide. we should have more poeple and assets but i cant make that call.

cam, the border situation is one of my main problems with this administration. i cant even begin to describe my anger/disbelief when i saw that illegals were building this magical wall that is supposed to protect us. a guy at my shooting range is in the reserves and hes down in arizona right now to patrol the border. the only problem is that when he "patrols" the border he cant do anything. if he sees people crossing the border they stand and watch....then call it in to the border patrol and they usually arrive promptly 3-4 hours later. that situation really bothers me, because now our economy is somewhat dependant on what is probably our biggest security concern.
Fredrik
i hate you all
+201|7075|Norway

ShowMeTheMonkey wrote:

I find this extremely offensive to the soldiers in Iraq. It is saying that they are fighting for a totilarian regime that does not allow freedom of thought or speech.

They belive they are fighting for freedom! What freedom is it when they are fighting  but people are not allowed to speak out against the conflict, or are mocked by those who belive the conflict is just?

This poster is no better than Nazi propagada or even Iraqi. What country do you live in dickhead.

George W. Bush wrote:

You`re either with us, or with the terrorists
I find that picture very funny, and not offensive. If you think the soldiers in Iraq are fighting for freedom you better go check your brain.

Calling me dickhead is very immature, and if you had a brain you could find my country in my profile...
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7255|Grapevine, TX

stryyker wrote:

...but I have respect for him, for just being the President in general.
QFE

SysTray wrote:

I bash him because of the idiot factor, not the president factor. That shows your Intelligence Quotient
I bash other people because he's the president, they voted for him.
The U.S. Constitution gives you the right to be a moron.
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7080|Teesside, UK

Fredrik wrote:

Calling me dickhead is very immature, and if you had a brain you could find my country in my profile...
Which country is "Spawn raping with shockpads" in?

Last edited by crimson_grunt (2007-01-13 11:23:59)

Fredrik
i hate you all
+201|7075|Norway

crimson_grunt wrote:

Fredrik wrote:

Calling me dickhead is very immature, and if you had a brain you could find my country in my profile...
Which country is "Spawn raping with shockpads" in?
Lol, click on stats
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7080|Teesside, UK

Fredrik wrote:

crimson_grunt wrote:

Fredrik wrote:

Calling me dickhead is very immature, and if you had a brain you could find my country in my profile...
Which country is "Spawn raping with shockpads" in?
Lol, click on stats
Yeah found that.  just teasing
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6831|North Carolina
One of the main reasons I started a thread stressing the importance of a strong legislature vs. a strong executive is that, as we've painfully seen in a lot of presidential elections, neither political parties nor the electorate itself can be trusted to elect a competent leader oftentimes.

It's better to separate powers between multiple people, so that if one person screws up, the others can penalize and counter him/her.

The election and re-election of Bush are perfect examples of what can happen among ignorant people and ignorant parties.  I'm not just bashing the Republicans here either -- only the Democrats could find a guy less popular than Bush to oppose him with.

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-01-13 14:29:29)

PvtStPoK
paintball > bf2
+48|6941|montreal, quebec

stryyker wrote:

Running the World's most powerful nation
i totally disagree with that. you guys are so brainswashed that you thinkyou are the most powerfull, the best in the world. the best thing about USA is you have the right to have guns at home, since im a gun freak and my country isnt crazy about guns,  its hard and long to have one here.

I am from Canada, but i say China > USA
UGADawgs
Member
+13|6747|South Carolina, US

PvtStPoK wrote:

stryyker wrote:

Running the World's most powerful nation
i totally disagree with that. you guys are so brainswashed that you thinkyou are the most powerfull, the best in the world. the best thing about USA is you have the right to have guns at home, since im a gun freak and my country isnt crazy about guns,  its hard and long to have one here.

I am from Canada, but i say China > USA
Ha, you made a funny.
Cougar
Banned
+1,962|7191|Dallas
"Yes, He's an Idiot at times" is a bit of an understatement don't you think?

I'm still trying to figure out how 100 million people were dumb enough to vote for him.

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