Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7236|Nårvei

Sounds like there is an election soon !
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6981
Hehehe. When Arnold is finsihed with California he'll move on to annex Nevada for the EU too...

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-09 04:05:42)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7198|PNW

CameronPoe wrote:

Hehehe. When Arnold is finsihed with California he'll move on to annex Nevada for the EU too...
California is the armpit of the Great American West.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-01-09 05:08:58)

Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6968|Texas - Bigger than France
"Our current health plan has holes so large I can drive my Hummer thru it.  I propose this health plan that is less girlie," quoteth Conan.

Cool, if he pulls it off.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6820|The Gem Saloon
sweet, everyone in cali will have to wait a year for surgery on their tumor like the euros who constantly praise that awesome health care plan.......sucks for them, ill just pay for my medical bills and get treated when i need to.

Last edited by Parker (2007-01-09 07:20:32)

CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6981

Parker wrote:

sweet, everyone in cali will have to wait a year for surgery on their tumor like the euros who constantly praise that awesome health care plan.......sucks for them, ill just pay for my medical bills and get treated when i need to.
Europeans can also pay to be treated immediately. The beauty is that if you don't want to pay or can't afford to then you will be treated eventually for free (or immediately if life threatening). I, for instance, have health insurance so that I'll be treated for whatever ailment, however mild, immediately in a private hospital.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7027|132 and Bush

Arnold is a closet liberal.
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CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6981

Kmarion wrote:

Arnold is a closet liberal.
Does it surprise you given who he is married to? Didn't he also approve curbing greenhouse emissions (omg the swine!) too?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7027|132 and Bush

CameronPoe wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Arnold is a closet liberal.
Does it surprise you given who he is married to? Didn't he also approve curbing greenhouse emissions (omg the swine!) too?
He is trying to change the emission requirements for vehicles but the State of California has been sued into a stalemate over it.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-09 08:10:05)

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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6955|Global Command
Imagine the DmV.

Would you want those government workers in charge of your heath care plan?
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6981

ATG wrote:

Imagine the DmV.

Would you want those government workers in charge of your heath care plan?
I don't understand why a lot of Americans don't understand socialist EU-style healthcare plans: you will still get the same service you always got if you take out health insurance but if you are incapable of affording it then you have a substandard but nonetheless free safety net that will mean you won't need to commit suicide after getting disabled in that nasty car accident!
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6955|Global Command
Well, all I can say is right now, believe it or not illegal aliens have better access to health care and less liability to pay the bills than legal uninsured Americans.
Some genius made it illegal to turn people away from emergency rooms, so the illegals use them as the primary care system, and because most of them use phony social security numbers, the numbers of dead people or outright identity theft, they don't pay the bills.

Same thing with criminal courts. When they call roll in the morning 70% of the names are hispanic and the overwhelming maujority of those not present are hispanic. Because they use bogus i.d.'s say they get pulled over for a ticket and get caught with drugs. The police issue a ticket and a court date is given. By the time the criminal is due to show up in courst instead of Juan Valdez he is now Jorge Lopez, complete with a new social security number and Mexican I.D.

Really, unbelievable.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6981

ATG wrote:

Well, all I can say is right now, believe it or not illegal aliens have better access to health care and less liability to pay the bills than legal uninsured Americans.
Some genius made it illegal to turn people away from emergency rooms, so the illegals use them as the primary care system, and because most of them use phony social security numbers, the numbers of dead people or outright identity theft, they don't pay the bills.

Same thing with criminal courts. When they call roll in the morning 70% of the names are hispanic and the overwhelming maujority of those not present are hispanic. Because they use bogus i.d.'s say they get pulled over for a ticket and get caught with drugs. The police issue a ticket and a court date is given. By the time the criminal is due to show up in courst instead of Juan Valdez he is now Jorge Lopez, complete with a new social security number and Mexican I.D.

Really, unbelievable.
Well that's not a healthcare problem - that's just shit immigration control: a loophole to be exploited.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-09 09:21:49)

Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7007|SE London

Kmarion wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Arnold is a closet liberal.
Does it surprise you given who he is married to? Didn't he also approve curbing greenhouse emissions (omg the swine!) too?
He is trying to change the emission requirements for vehicles but the State of California has been sued into a stalemate over it.
Won't matter in the long run. Once all the American car companies go broke there won't be anyone wanting to sue them, because emissions standards for the rest of the world are so much higher than the proposed levels in California.

All the cars on sale in Europe, Japan, China etc. already meet much more stringent standards than that.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7027|132 and Bush

Bertster7 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Does it surprise you given who he is married to? Didn't he also approve curbing greenhouse emissions (omg the swine!) too?
He is trying to change the emission requirements for vehicles but the State of California has been sued into a stalemate over it.
Won't matter in the long run. Once all the American car companies go broke there won't be anyone wanting to sue them, because emissions standards for the rest of the world are so much higher than the proposed levels in California.

All the cars on sale in Europe, Japan, China etc. already meet much more stringent standards than that.
Agreed, the funny thing is the law proposed is supposed to put the acceptable level in 12 years from now where most other nations already are. It's ridiculous. But yes, in the long run they are screwing themselves.
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BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7194
I saw on the news recently that he is distancing himself from the republican party. Smart move after the last election!
UGADawgs
Member
+13|6747|South Carolina, US

ATG wrote:

Well, all I can say is right now, believe it or not illegal aliens have better access to health care and less liability to pay the bills than legal uninsured Americans.
Some genius made it illegal to turn people away from emergency rooms, so the illegals use them as the primary care system, and because most of them use phony social security numbers, the numbers of dead people or outright identity theft, they don't pay the bills.

Same thing with criminal courts. When they call roll in the morning 70% of the names are hispanic and the overwhelming maujority of those not present are hispanic. Because they use bogus i.d.'s say they get pulled over for a ticket and get caught with drugs. The police issue a ticket and a court date is given. By the time the criminal is due to show up in courst instead of Juan Valdez he is now Jorge Lopez, complete with a new social security number and Mexican I.D.

Really, unbelievable.
Well, I'd find it immoral to turn anyone away from an emergency room, especially if they're in a life-threatening condition. Of course, illegals shouldn't be exploiting it to get flu shots or whatever, but if someone comes to the emergency room with a hole in his torso, he shouldn't have to have a birth certificate on hand to get treatment.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7183|Argentina
You are talking about the illegal immigration problem.  Fix that.  Once people is in a hospital will you refuse to assist them?
iamangry
Member
+59|7071|The United States of America

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Hehehe. When Arnold is finsihed with California he'll move on to annex Nevada for the EU too...
California is the armpit of the Great American West.
While what's going on right now in CA is regrettable, it is still completely undeniable that CA is one of the best states in the nation, and definitely better than Washington.  My proof?  How about the fact that CA has the 5th largest GLOBAL economy?  Or how about how that massive health care system, while in trouble, has not toppled under the weight of the largest influx of illegal immigrants in the history of America?  By the way, we saw that as a problem a long time ago, and through the proposition system (a little thing we have where the people can legislate directly) we created a law that said it was not the burden of the taxpayers to educate the children of people who are technically not there.  However, the Supreme Court and the rest of the country couldn't see past their own noses and said it was "unconstitutional", and since only a few other border states really had a problem, the Congress did not see it as politically expedient to make a constitutional ammendment or something.  Seriously, the question of illegal immigration seems to me to be a paradox with one set of conclusions, and everyone else is making the opposite conclusion.  Here's how I see it

1: The illegal immigrants acknowledge that they are in this country to the federal government, but since they are here illegally, they suffer the punishment of being deported. 
2: They do NOT acknowledge that they are here to the federal government, in which case they get NOTHING.  Why?  CAUSE THEY AREN'T THERE!!!!

But no, that's not the way our politicians think it should work.  Our politicians are like our businessmen, always looking for a new market.  If they can get the illegals to vote and vote for them, then they'll have control over the government and be able to advance their own personal agendas.  So they cater to them, with things like signs and ballots in spanish, drivers licenses, amnesty, water holes in the desert???, entitlement programs, worker programs, even social security.... FROM A SYSTEM THATS GOING BROKE AS IT IS!!!!  Thanks for "fixing" the social security system old people, as someone who's 18 I KNOW I need to seriously prepare for retirement, cause I'm gonna pay into a system and not get shit from it. 
Oddly enough though, the thing that gets me the most is amnesty, because its not fair.  It's not fair to my father, who immigrated to this country from Great Britain in 1980, after completing a doctorate in Fuels and Energies from Leeds University; which he was able to attend because he had grown up in British Guyana.  He grew up in South America, in a third world country.  He managed to get to college, where he excelled.  And then he came here to America, legally.  For his first year here he lived a very sparing life consuming only a few vegetables, a loaf of bread and a chicken each week.  In 5 years he had a house.  He became a citizen shortly thereafter.  He loves this country, and I've found him to be more of a patriot than most people who grew up here.  But here's a man with a doctorate in a field of chemical engineering who has to wait the standard amount of time to become a resident and later a citizen.  Here's someone who can and has made a very positive contribution to our society.  Now tell me why some half wit person without even a high school level education, nor the ability OR wish to speak English get a free spot ahead of my dad simply because he was bold enough to break our laws?  Why should the criminal be rewarded for his crime?
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7132
Nooooooooooo wer'e(I live in California) ScrooGED!
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7027|132 and Bush

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Nooooooooooo wer'e(I live in California) ScrooGED!
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Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6974|San Diego, CA, USA

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Hehehe. When Arnold is finsihed with California he'll move on to annex Nevada for the EU too...
California is the armpit of the Great American West.
Yep...and we're getting armpit stains from the 8-10% State income tax and Property taxes up the noise.  I wonder if its cheaper to be an illegal than a United State Citizen? 

I mean:
  • I could goto the hospital for free - no one is denied services in a emergency room
  • I'm not required to learn English
  • I can cross into the United States by either violating my Visa or paying a Coyote $500 to cross the border - or just do it myself by swimming across the Rio Grand and and walking about 20 miles
  • my children, either illegal or legal, get to goto school for free
  • when my children get in trouble with the school I can require that the school have a interpretter present during the conference in whatever language I speak
  • if I'm handicaped, I can get Social Security benifits eventhough I've never paid a cent to the program
  • my children get to learn Spanish in school through the ESL (English as a Second Language) program
  • my children get free food at school through the school lunch program
  • my children get bussed from the border to school, even if I still live in Mexico (not kidding btw)
  • don't have to pay income, medicare, social security, California Unemployment taxes
  • I would only have to pay the 7.25% sales tax when I buy things
  • I can get a California Drivers License for only $2,000 on the blackmarket
  • I can get a fake Social Security card for $400 so I can work pretty much anywhere until there is a raid
  • I can vote by saying I'm someone else (no ID is required when voting - only an address and name is required)
  • If I commit a crime, I can skip bail with no worries (Mexico doesn't extradite - an illegal raped an 11-year old girl, paid the $5,000 bail and went to Mexico)


So where do I sign up?
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6974|San Diego, CA, USA

Parker wrote:

sweet, everyone in cali will have to wait a year for surgery on their tumor like the euros who constantly praise that awesome health care plan.......sucks for them, ill just pay for my medical bills and get treated when i need to.
Can someone who lives in Canada confirm this:

Even Canadians who get 'free' healthcare get subpar healthcare because:
  • they pay alot of taxes to the government, so its really not free
  • the healthcare quality is not as good as it is in the United States
  • Canadians still cross the border into the Uniited States to get suprior healthcare
  • Canadians have to wait months before they can get serviced or operated on
  • Canadian healthcare facilities do not have the latest medical equipment
  • Canadian doctors don't get paid as much, thus less incentive to be a doctor
  • Anyone, including illegals, get free healtcare - thus the burden is on those who pay into the system

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