These are the terrorist bastards we should have been hunting for the last 5 years. Its about time.
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why CIA dont deal with them like we see in movies: sniping them, bomobs in cars,....
just another cold war but against terroriists this time
just another cold war but against terroriists this time
Last edited by Mogura (2007-01-09 03:45:50)
I suppose the US Air Force wants to take care of them on their own.
Oh no, a four-year old kid died! What about those 30-40 people killed every day in Iraq? Fucking news agencies.
Oh no, a four-year old kid died! What about those 30-40 people killed every day in Iraq? Fucking news agencies.
The movies are full of shit 90% of the time.
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Yeah, but 30people have died every day for the past three or so years in Iraq, people get kinda bored of it after a while - "yeah, so dozens were killed in a car bomb in Baghdad, what else is on?"Janysc wrote:
I suppose the US Air Force wants to take care of them on their own.
Oh no, a four-year old kid died! What about those 30-40 people killed every day in Iraq? Fucking news agencies.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
too baddeeznutz1245 wrote:
The movies are full of shit 90% of the time.
but there must be a way to deal with them, without to declare war on every country where some of them lives
Just out of curiousity, why was the Cold War called the Cold War?Mogura wrote:
just another cold war but against terroriists this time
Hooray for spreading your military forces very thinly across the globe, biting at the heels of the problem of Islamic fundamentalism but always actually failing to deal with the whole monster!!! W00t for pointless ventures doomed to failure!!
Wherever next? Perhaps redeploy 100 troops from Iraq to 'fight' the Islamists in Mindanao in teh Phillipines!
Incidentally there's already a thread on this.
Wherever next? Perhaps redeploy 100 troops from Iraq to 'fight' the Islamists in Mindanao in teh Phillipines!
Incidentally there's already a thread on this.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-09 04:04:02)
because it was some kind of indirect war, there was no front line / combat zone, like in standard war.Bubbalo wrote:
Just out of curiousity, why was the Cold War called the Cold War?Mogura wrote:
just another cold war but against terroriists this time
exemple, weapons race, tech race, spying, counter spying,...
ex1: USA and CCCR had a competition on who will have ICBM with higher range / load and who will have more of them ( hence the tech race on space technology )
ex2: when 1 of them (usa / russia ) make a war on some country , the other directly support theyr ennemy ( when usa made war in vietnam, russia helped north vietnam, when russia made war on afghanistan, usa helped talibans ...)
ex3: and extensive spying / diplomacy / conspiracy works by CIA and KGB to ally to them most of countrys, USA tryed to push nations to adopt democraty, RUSSIA tryed to make them addopt communism.
...
there is a lot more , it is a very complicated and large topic, and the meanse ( money, material, human workforce,...) involved in cold war was HUGE bigger than any other war, its the main reason why russia lost cold war, they economy could not withstand the race...
Russia is a chilly place to be!Bubbalo wrote:
Just out of curiousity, why was the Cold War called the Cold War?Mogura wrote:
just another cold war but against terroriists this time
Malloy must go
that toodeeznutz1245 wrote:
Russia is a chilly place to be!Bubbalo wrote:
Just out of curiousity, why was the Cold War called the Cold War?Mogura wrote:
just another cold war but against terroriists this time
My point is if we did not have a gazillion troops in Iraq Mr. Poe, and were hunting down extremist terror cells in the first place, we would not be spread thin. But, for the record the Marines have been organized, trained and equiped to fight a three phase war since the mid 90's when General Krulak was the Commandant. So in other words we can be deployed with 85% of our Marine Corps in three remote locations in the world at once and still be deadly somewhere else within 24 hours.CameronPoe wrote:
Hooray for spreading your military forces very thinly across the globe, biting at the heels of the problem of Islamic fundamentalism but always actually failing to deal with the whole monster!!! W00t for pointless ventures doomed to failure!!
Wherever next? Perhaps redeploy 100 troops from Iraq to 'fight' the Islamists in Mindanao in teh Phillipines!
Incidentally there's already a thread on this.
Malloy must go
well i better like to see USA armed forces spreading theyr military than that of china, russia, arabians,....
USA political system is not perfect ( none is ) but its still better than dictatorship, communism or theocracys like in arab countrys
USA political system is not perfect ( none is ) but its still better than dictatorship, communism or theocracys like in arab countrys
Amen to that.Mogura wrote:
well i better like to see USA armed forces spreading theyr military than that of china, russia, arabians,....
USA political system is not perfect ( none is ) but its still better than dictatorship, communism or theocracys like in arab countrys
Malloy must go
what are you talking about?Mogura wrote:
why CIA dont deal with them like we see in movies: sniping them, bomobs in cars,....
just another cold war but against terroriists this time
another cold war but with terrorists?
one of my favorite parts of history is studying the eastern bloc during the good old days, when russians were soviets. im definitly lost, i do not get this connection that you have made.
oh and the CIA thing.......quit watching so many movies.
www.cia.gov
go there, go to the FOIA viewing room and type in Pheonix Project in the search box and youll see what the CIA is capable of.
but the point of an intelligence agency is to gather information, not be the united states hitmen.
we will have a breakdown in intelligence if we have all of our operations people going and killing everyone.
you know that the guys in the pentagon met their recruiting goal last year?CameronPoe wrote:
Hooray for spreading your military forces very thinly across the globe, biting at the heels of the problem of Islamic fundamentalism but always actually failing to deal with the whole monster!!! W00t for pointless ventures doomed to failure!!
Wherever next? Perhaps redeploy 100 troops from Iraq to 'fight' the Islamists in Mindanao in teh Phillipines!
Incidentally there's already a thread on this.
thats gotta hurt all those people that want to see us fail so badly.
heres to putting foot to ass for our country......
in the high of cold war CIA and KGB used frequently assassination, bombing,.... to meet their goals, they had even spec ops squad at full time, to make operations where it is needed.Parker wrote:
what are you talking about?Mogura wrote:
why CIA dont deal with them like we see in movies: sniping them, bomobs in cars,....
just another cold war but against terroriists this time
another cold war but with terrorists?
one of my favorite parts of history is studying the eastern bloc during the good old days, when russians were soviets. im definitly lost, i do not get this connection that you have made.
oh and the CIA thing.......quit watching so many movies.
www.cia.gov
go there, go to the FOIA viewing room and type in Pheonix Project in the search box and youll see what the CIA is capable of.
but the point of an intelligence agency is to gather information, not be the united states hitmen.
we will have a breakdown in intelligence if we have all of our operations people going and killing everyone.
"point of an intelligence agency is to gather information, not be the united states hitmen" now it is not anymore, but cia use to have hitmans at their sold.
you send me to the official site of the CIA, => LOL :p , what do you think they put on that site ? bullshit , thats all :p , even if CIA from now is just a shadow of what it used to be in the cold war time ( same for KGB now called FSB ), its still very powerfull organisations ;-)
fuck'em kill'em and eat'em, terrorist pussies. let the MARINES loose to WHOOOP THAT ASS!!!
ya im sure you know everything about an INTELLIGENCE agency.....im sorry but your wrong....the us and soviets acutally had an understanding that if they went around killing one another that nothing would get accomplished. so they didnt....you might be thinking of the brits seeing as how they didnt have that arrangement.....think of ricin an umbrella and downy street.Mogura wrote:
in the high of cold war CIA and KGB used frequently assassination, bombing,.... to meet their goals, they had even spec ops squad at full time, to make operations where it is needed.Parker wrote:
what are you talking about?Mogura wrote:
why CIA dont deal with them like we see in movies: sniping them, bomobs in cars,....
just another cold war but against terroriists this time
another cold war but with terrorists?
one of my favorite parts of history is studying the eastern bloc during the good old days, when russians were soviets. im definitly lost, i do not get this connection that you have made.
oh and the CIA thing.......quit watching so many movies.
www.cia.gov
go there, go to the FOIA viewing room and type in Pheonix Project in the search box and youll see what the CIA is capable of.
but the point of an intelligence agency is to gather information, not be the united states hitmen.
we will have a breakdown in intelligence if we have all of our operations people going and killing everyone.
"point of an intelligence agency is to gather information, not be the united states hitmen" now it is not anymore, but cia use to have hitmans at their sold.
you send me to the official site of the CIA, => LOL :p , what do you think they put on that site ? bullshit , thats all :p , even if CIA from now is just a shadow of what it used to be in the cold war time ( same for KGB now called FSB ), its still very powerfull organisations ;-)
and the "spec op squads" you referred too are not really that. the operations directorate has very few black bag guys, and in fact they have more now than they did during the cold war. so the reference to the cia being a "shadow" of what it was is also wrong.
so im still kind of lost as to what the comparison was supposed to be.....but hey you should really check out the FOIA reading room. you might learn some cool shit......i know, youre too smart for that and all they would put up there is lies........heres a little secret FOIA stands for Freedom of Information Act. its this great little thing that says the CIA has to publish information that is no longer classified........i love america.
Yeah, its doing wonders to Iraq...deeznutz1245 wrote:
Amen to that.Mogura wrote:
well i better like to see USA armed forces spreading theyr military than that of china, russia, arabians,....
USA political system is not perfect ( none is ) but its still better than dictatorship, communism or theocracys like in arab countrys
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
i never say i know everything abot CIA and other intelligence agencies, yes they may have had understanding ( yeah no direct attack , hence "Cold War" and its a big question in how much % of cases those "undertsandings" were respected) with soviets but not with most of other nations, (vice versa for soviets).Parker wrote:
ya im sure you know everything about an INTELLIGENCE agency.....im sorry but your wrong....the us and soviets acutally had an understanding that if they went around killing one another that nothing would get accomplished. so they didnt....you might be thinking of the brits seeing as how they didnt have that arrangement.....think of ricin an umbrella and downy street.Mogura wrote:
in the high of cold war CIA and KGB used frequently assassination, bombing,.... to meet their goals, they had even spec ops squad at full time, to make operations where it is needed.Parker wrote:
what are you talking about?
another cold war but with terrorists?
one of my favorite parts of history is studying the eastern bloc during the good old days, when russians were soviets. im definitly lost, i do not get this connection that you have made.
oh and the CIA thing.......quit watching so many movies.
www.cia.gov
go there, go to the FOIA viewing room and type in Pheonix Project in the search box and youll see what the CIA is capable of.
but the point of an intelligence agency is to gather information, not be the united states hitmen.
we will have a breakdown in intelligence if we have all of our operations people going and killing everyone.
"point of an intelligence agency is to gather information, not be the united states hitmen" now it is not anymore, but cia use to have hitmans at their sold.
you send me to the official site of the CIA, => LOL :p , what do you think they put on that site ? bullshit , thats all :p , even if CIA from now is just a shadow of what it used to be in the cold war time ( same for KGB now called FSB ), its still very powerfull organisations ;-)
and the "spec op squads" you referred too are not really that. the operations directorate has very few black bag guys, and in fact they have more now than they did during the cold war. so the reference to the cia being a "shadow" of what it was is also wrong.
so im still kind of lost as to what the comparison was supposed to be.....but hey you should really check out the FOIA reading room. you might learn some cool shit......i know, youre too smart for that and all they would put up there is lies........heres a little secret FOIA stands for Freedom of Information Act. its this great little thing that says the CIA has to publish information that is no longer classified........i love america.
and about "understandings" everyone will tell you that Cold War made great amoun of victims,... it may be Cold but War anyway.
everybody knows that after the end of the cold war , effectives on both sides were cut, and thats in ( military, navy , intelligence, budget for all organisations ), and that without to talk that there is a lot of new ( made in last 25 years ) laws who limit intelligence agencies power and force them to revel bigger part of informations on what and how they do things, as they use to have in the cold war time, so im not wrong when i say that
intelligence agencies of today are not comparable of what it use to be in the cold war time
about FOIA it is just what it is, a reading room for NO LONGER classified documents .... ( les tha 1% of total amount )
PS: you are not subtile with your insinuation, trying to insult my intelligence.... and if you dont see connection yet....put your knowledge and intelligence in question
Last edited by Mogura (2007-01-09 08:29:27)
i wasnt trying to be "subtile", great job on picking up on it though.
now im not really understanding what your talking about now period.
ya your right intelligence agencies lost alot of stuff after the cold war.....mainly the KGB, like theyre entire agency, lol that entire country was lost thats not a good example.
now lets go to the CIA. yes they lost some stuff and as a matter of fact wound up having an oversight commitee to babysit them. why, basically because of vietnam (thanks again france).
now present time......you do realize that all the homeland security bullshit gives immense power to CIA/NSA?
do you know that for the first time since they tried to whack castro the CIA has a LEGAL ability to make assassinations?
they dont sound like a shadow of what they used to be to me......could just be me though.
in fact we recently got a new DCI whos probably going to really shake things up at langley if were lucky.
oh and about FOIA....i know that it is UNCLASSIFIED documents....i was just trying to help you obtain a more "real-life" account of what happens instead of all those james bond movies you watch.
im done with this little debate....rambling in broken english is not a rebuttle.
now im not really understanding what your talking about now period.
ya your right intelligence agencies lost alot of stuff after the cold war.....mainly the KGB, like theyre entire agency, lol that entire country was lost thats not a good example.
now lets go to the CIA. yes they lost some stuff and as a matter of fact wound up having an oversight commitee to babysit them. why, basically because of vietnam (thanks again france).
now present time......you do realize that all the homeland security bullshit gives immense power to CIA/NSA?
do you know that for the first time since they tried to whack castro the CIA has a LEGAL ability to make assassinations?
they dont sound like a shadow of what they used to be to me......could just be me though.
in fact we recently got a new DCI whos probably going to really shake things up at langley if were lucky.
oh and about FOIA....i know that it is UNCLASSIFIED documents....i was just trying to help you obtain a more "real-life" account of what happens instead of all those james bond movies you watch.
im done with this little debate....rambling in broken english is not a rebuttle.
Because of the use of proxies and no direct confrontation which would then make it a 'hot war'. Proxies are situations like Afghanistan where the Russians went in to take over and we supported, trained and equipped (omg!) Osama Bin Laden & Co. defending it.Bubbalo wrote:
Just out of curiousity, why was the Cold War called the Cold War?Mogura wrote:
just another cold war but against terroriists this time
Charlie Wilson FTW!!!!!!!!golgoj4 wrote:
Because of the use of proxies and no direct confrontation which would then make it a 'hot war'. Proxies are situations like Afghanistan where the Russians went in to take over and we supported, trained and equipped (omg!) Osama Bin Laden & Co. defending it.Bubbalo wrote:
Just out of curiousity, why was the Cold War called the Cold War?Mogura wrote:
just another cold war but against terroriists this time
I imagine we have very few agents who can blend in with the locals Islamic terrorists.Mogura wrote:
why CIA dont deal with them like we see in movies: sniping them, bomobs in cars,....
just another cold war but against terroriists this time
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