ThaReaper
Banned
+410|7065
Alright personally, I think this is a great idea. If they search every house they are bound to get rid of most of the insurgents weapons and such.


BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi forces backed by U.S. troops will begin a neighborhood-by-neighborhood assault on militants in the capital this weekend as a first step in the new White House strategy to contain Sunni insurgents and Shiite death squads, key advisers to the prime minister said Friday.

The first details of the plan — a fresh bid to pacify the capital — emerged a day after        President Bush and Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki spoke for nearly two hours by video conference. Both leaders were expected to detail their vision of a new strategy in the coming days.

The al-Maliki aides would not address the scope of the planned assaults nor where specifically they were planned.

The Iraqis did, however, signal continuing disagreement on key issues, including al-Maliki's unease over the introduction of more U.S. troops.

Another point of contention has been the Iraqi leader's repeated refusal of U.S. demands to crush the militia of anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, one of the prime minister's most powerful backers.

Any serious drive to curb the extreme chaos and violence in the capital would put not only American forces but al-Maliki's Iraqi army in direct confrontation with al-Sadr's Mahdi Army.

The militants are gaining more and more ground as they kill Sunni residents of the city and drive others from their neighborhoods. The explosion of vengeance began after the Feb. 22 bombing by al-Qaida in        Iraq militants of an important Shiite shrine, the Golden Dome mosque in Samarra north of the capital.

Sami al-Askari, an al-Maliki political adviser, told The Associated Press on Friday that al-Maliki had not acquiesced to the reported White House plan to send as many as 9,000 more U.S. troops to Baghdad alone.

"President Bush told the prime minister he was ready to send additional troops, but al-Maliki said he would have to talk that over with his senior military officers to see if they were needed," al-Askari said.

Bush reportedly wants to increase troop strength as part of his developing plan to shake-up the U.S. military effort in Iraq, now in its fourth year.

Without a substantial U.S. troop increase there were questions about the success of any new drive to curb violence.

Last summer the U.S. military and Iraqi army flooded the capital with 12,000 additional troops for the same purpose. By October, the U.S. military spokesman said the operation had not met expectations and the situation was disheartening. The last half of 2006 was one of the most violent periods in the center and west of the country since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion to topple        Saddam Hussein.

In his discussions with Bush, al-Maliki continued to press for a rapid U.S. withdrawal from the capital to bases "on the outskirts of Baghdad," al-Askari said. The prime minister has claimed his forces will be ready to assume control of security for the whole country by summer. The Americans, perhaps optimistically, hope that can happen by year's end.

Al-Askari and Hassan al-Suneid, another top al-Maliki aide and lawmaker from his Dawa Party, said the fresh security push would be open-ended once initiated this weekend.

"The Iraqi Interior, Defense and National Security ministries will take part using information we have gathered from a new intelligence network," al-Suneid said. "There will be no time limit, and there will be many stages to the operation."

Al-Suneid said American forces would take part in a supporting role.

As forces apparently began to get ready, the powerful Association of Muslim Scholars voiced Sunni agitation and claimed the coming drive was really a joint operation by Interior Ministry commandos, the Iraqi army and the Mahdi Army to further cleanse mixed neighborhoods. Iraq's security forces are dominated by Shiites.

Sheik Mohammed Bashar al-Fayadh, a spokesman for the organization, claimed residents had seen 150 vehicles massing Friday in the Shula region in northwest Baghdad in advance of the assault.

"We fear a huge attack," al-Fayadh said on Al-Jazeera satellite television.

Throughout Iraq on Friday, at least 31 people died violently or were found dead, including two beheaded victims of the sectarian slaughter found floating in the Tigris river.

The body of an Associated Press employee was found shot in the back of the head Friday, six days after he was last seen by his family leaving for work. Ahmed Hadi Naji, 28, was the fourth AP staffer to die violently in the Iraq war and the second AP employee killed in less than a month. He had been a messenger and occasional cameraman for the AP for 2 1/2 years.

"All of us at AP share the pain and grief being felt by Ahmed's family and friends," said AP President and CEO Tom Curley.

The circumstances of Naji's death were unclear. Dozens of Iraqis are found slain almost every day in Baghdad, many believed to be victims of sectarian death squads.

An American contractor was abducted Friday along with his driver and translator, and the two Iraqis were later found dead near a stadium in the southern city of Basra, police said. The fate of the American was unknown.

"The two victims were the translator and a driver," said a Basra police official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

Basra's police chief, Gen. Mohammed Humadi, confirmed that a U.S. citizen had been kidnapped and said he was an American of Iraqi origin. The contractor's name and the company for which he worked were not disclosed.

French        President Jacques Chirac, meanwhile, said the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq destabilized the entire Middle East and caused terrorism to spread, adding that the problems in Iraq justified France's strong opposition to the war.

"As France foresaw and feared, the war in Iraq caused upheavals whose effects have not yet finished unraveling," Chirac said in a speech to French ambassadors.

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AP Military Writer Robert Burns in Washington and AP reporter Christine Ollivier in Paris contributed to this report.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6954|Global Command
"As France foresaw and feared, the 9-11 attacks and the following ass kicking America delivered to the Islamofacist further made them look like cowards. Americas war in Iraq caused upheavals whose effects have not yet finished unraveling," Chirac said in a speech to French ambassadors, mon bliu, he said, why can't you be pacifist cowards like me, wi wi?
Let France demonstrate how to deal with their out of control rioting muslim population, then they can talk, other than that I give a shit for her opinion.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6980
@OP - Ever considered that guerrilla fighters are constantly on the move and will be long gone by the time you get to their house?

Read Che Guevara's 'Guerrilla Warfare' tome for a step-by-step guide to the do's and don't's...

A guerrilla force will not engage in a battle that they are not guaranteed to win either - they're not gonna hang around for the 'US assault'.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-06 05:50:14)

JahManRed
wank
+646|7053|IRELAND

How can you tell if the guy in one house holding his kid is a family man or is about to put that child down and lift an AK?

More scared college kids and gun hoe spray and pray jocks shooting up Innocent families....................again.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6918|Connecticut

JahManRed wrote:

How can you tell if the guy in one house holding his kid is a family man or is about to put that child down and lift an AK?

More scared college kids and gun hoe spray and pray jocks shooting up Innocent families....................again.
And you are an expert on the traing these men have received? You can provide some sort of insight on how tactically effecient these men are or are not? Enlighten me please.
Malloy must go
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6954|Global Command

deeznutz1245 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

How can you tell if the guy in one house holding his kid is a family man or is about to put that child down and lift an AK?

More scared college kids and gun hoe spray and pray jocks shooting up Innocent families....................again.
And you are an expert on the traing these men have received? You can provide some sort of insight on how tactically effecient these men are or are not? Enlighten me please.
Well, he's right. The Marines that are facing trial for the supposed murder of twenty four people in Iraq, were following their training.
Marines are trained to clear a room by sometimes tossing a frag in and going in and hosing the room down after.
Sometimes they don't realize what was in the room until after the smoke clears. It's not that they are trained to kill the families, it's that familes will get killed when Marines do what they are trained to do.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7167|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

deeznutz1245 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

How can you tell if the guy in one house holding his kid is a family man or is about to put that child down and lift an AK?

More scared college kids and gun hoe spray and pray jocks shooting up Innocent families....................again.
And you are an expert on the traing these men have received? You can provide some sort of insight on how tactically effecient these men are or are not? Enlighten me please.
Aye, well he's well aware of how the British military conducted themselves where he lives, and they are supposedly the best trained in the world, so considering he  grew up in Northern Ireland, remembers "internment",  this would give him a rather unique insight into the Baghdad situation..

Edit: which is - you go round kicking peoples doors in, wrecking their houses and hauling their men away to internment camps on suspicion of being a terrorist = much fucking hatred towards the soldiers and a swelling of the ranks of the terrorists.  It causes more trouble than it solves

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2007-01-06 08:09:59)

JahManRed
wank
+646|7053|IRELAND

deeznutz1245 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

How can you tell if the guy in one house holding his kid is a family man or is about to put that child down and lift an AK?

More scared college kids and gun hoe spray and pray jocks shooting up Innocent families....................again.
And you are an expert on the traing these men have received? You can provide some sort of insight on how tactically effecient these men are or are not? Enlighten me please.
I have no experience in their training, there is no training that will guarantee that someone can fully control themselves under the routine stress of clearing a city, room by room riding on a heavy dose of adrenaline and stories and recounts of insurgency.

It again is a cluster fuck of a decision by the leaders, the men who are in their air conditioned offices back home, driving home to see their wives and kids every night and not the solders'.
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|7119|San Francisco
Yeah...this neighborhood-by-neighborhood idea of "catching insurgents" is just a completely bad idea, and shows that whoever is commanding the troops doesn't really understand the nature of an Insurgency.

Wouldn't it be fun to take that article and flip all the names around so that the attackers are British and the Insurgents are people like Paul Revere?
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|7080|United States of America

JahManRed wrote:

How can you tell if the guy in one house holding his kid is a family man or is about to put that child down and lift an AK?

More scared college kids and gun hoe spray and pray jocks shooting up Innocent families....................again.
If he put down the child to shoot you he is an insurgent.  If he doesn't put down the child to shoot you he is a smart insurgent.

That's how you know.

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