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2007-01-03 20:39:48
RedTwizzler
I do it for the lulz.
+124|6966|Chicago

DBBrinson1 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I swear ta God, All of this self righteous, liberal, KUMBAYA, lets not punish him, lets educate him and rehabilitate him bullshit, makes me wanna kill somebody........................
I agree that they must be punished. I don't agree with execution but I certainly don't agree with treating them like errant children - they need to pay for their crime.
Indulge me Cam... What punishment would you place on a person who has molested and killed a children?  How would you make them pay?
I'll answer this from my point of view.

If you think about execution, and what we know scientifically about death, by killing them, we are relieving them of all pain. It's a quick end. Through lifelong incarceration, their entire life is wasted. If a 21 year old kills someone, he is looking forward to a good 60 years of imprisonment. That, in my opinion, is a much more severe sentence than 5-20 years (of appeals) then a quick injection.
2007-01-03 20:40:38
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6919|Menlo Park, CA
I love how people claim we (the human race) are civilized. . . .

We dont treat ordinary people in a civilized manner, whats makes you think we should treat death row criminals in a civilized way??

I am for the death penalty as a PENALTY! as in a painful penalty! i.e. hanging, firing squad, gas chamber, electric chair etc.

There is no point to the death penalty if you are just going to put the murderer to sleep.  I live in California, and we are a lethal injection state. . . . I would rather the murderer spend the rest of his/her life in prison as opposed to being put to sleep.  Therefore, in its current state in my home state, I am against the death penalty.

Although read the quote below and ponder. . . . .
https://i12.tinypic.com/2uiyssw.gif

I also love how Europeans claim they are holier than thou now in "modern society". . . . YOU GUYS ARE THE FUCKING KINGS OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT GET OVER YOURSELVES!!!! Telling us Americans that our system is "barbaric". . . . save it for people who give a shit what Europe thinks!!!!

Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-01-03 20:42:13)

2007-01-04 00:21:06
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6984

DBBrinson1 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I swear ta God, All of this self righteous, liberal, KUMBAYA, lets not punish him, lets educate him and rehabilitate him bullshit, makes me wanna kill somebody........................
I agree that they must be punished. I don't agree with execution but I certainly don't agree with treating them like errant children - they need to pay for their crime.
Indulge me Cam... What punishment would you place on a person who has molested and killed a children?  How would you make them pay?
Lifelong imprisonment with no chance of release.
2007-01-04 04:33:09
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7080|USA

RedTwizzler wrote:

lowing wrote:

RedTwizzler wrote:


You have a point, though that seems like a romanticized vision of the American justice system. There are many mistakes made in court, and many guilty men walk free while innocent men sit behind bars, or worse. Recently in Chicago (where I live) there was a man who faced the death penalty and was killed in the early 70s. He was pardoned posthumously for his crimes. How much is that worth to him? How much is that worth to the family?
You are very very correct. I think when it is all done and said, we have to bow to the fact that there is no system that is perfect. Our system does not take CP lightly, which is why it takes 10, 15, 20 years or better to go through the appeals process. As forensics technology improves I think there will be less chance of the innocent sent to prison. As it is, we hold to a very strict standard as far as who is sent to death row. A credit to our vigilance to strive for perfection in this issue.
Kinda funny, how we see eye to eye, yet totally disagree. I think that no matter how far forensics technology (or any other technology for that matter) advances, there will still be glitches. At least one person will get fucked by the system. That one person matters to me. Sure it's a miniscule statistic, but it's a life. Imagine if that one person was you. Or your father. Or your brother. Or your son. Or your wife.
As you think of the 1 innocent person on death row, I think of the 10,000 guilty one's, and the victims whose lives they ruined.

I also believe that dna testing is righting a ton of wrongs now, and at the same time finding the real criminals. Eventually, it will come to a point where all reasonable doubt has been eliminated through such technology.

Maybe DNA can be the deal breaker or sealer. No DNA? reasonal doubt then exist. DNA? yer sunk.
2007-01-04 04:54:34
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7100|UK

CameronPoe wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I agree that they must be punished. I don't agree with execution but I certainly don't agree with treating them like errant children - they need to pay for their crime.
Indulge me Cam... What punishment would you place on a person who has molested and killed a children?  How would you make them pay?
Lifelong imprisonment with no chance of release.
+ castration.

(now that's being punished)

Last edited by m3thod (2007-01-04 04:55:07)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-01-04 04:58:19
RedTwizzler
I do it for the lulz.
+124|6966|Chicago

lowing wrote:

RedTwizzler wrote:

lowing wrote:

RedTwizzler wrote:

You have a point, though that seems like a romanticized vision of the American justice system. There are many mistakes made in court, and many guilty men walk free while innocent men sit behind bars, or worse. Recently in Chicago (where I live) there was a man who faced the death penalty and was killed in the early 70s. He was pardoned posthumously for his crimes. How much is that worth to him? How much is that worth to the family?
You are very very correct. I think when it is all done and said, we have to bow to the fact that there is no system that is perfect. Our system does not take CP lightly, which is why it takes 10, 15, 20 years or better to go through the appeals process. As forensics technology improves I think there will be less chance of the innocent sent to prison. As it is, we hold to a very strict standard as far as who is sent to death row. A credit to our vigilance to strive for perfection in this issue.
Kinda funny, how we see eye to eye, yet totally disagree. I think that no matter how far forensics technology (or any other technology for that matter) advances, there will still be glitches. At least one person will get fucked by the system. That one person matters to me. Sure it's a miniscule statistic, but it's a life. Imagine if that one person was you. Or your father. Or your brother. Or your son. Or your wife.
As you think of the 1 innocent person on death row, I think of the 10,000 guilty one's, and the victims whose lives they ruined.

I also believe that dna testing is righting a ton of wrongs now, and at the same time finding the real criminals. Eventually, it will come to a point where all reasonable doubt has been eliminated through such technology.

Maybe DNA can be the deal breaker or sealer. No DNA? reasonal doubt then exist. DNA? yer sunk.
As you think of those 10,000, think of them rotting away in a 6 x 6 concrete room. Then think of all their pain leaving their body in an instant. For such a heinous crime, what is a better punishment?

m3thod wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:


Indulge me Cam... What punishment would you place on a person who has molested and killed a children?  How would you make them pay?
Lifelong imprisonment with no chance of release.
+ castration.

(now that's being punished)
Yeah, that's not fucking barbaric in any way.
2007-01-04 06:15:45
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7100|UK

RedTwizzler wrote:

lowing wrote:

RedTwizzler wrote:

lowing wrote:

RedTwizzler wrote:

You have a point, though that seems like a romanticized vision of the American justice system. There are many mistakes made in court, and many guilty men walk free while innocent men sit behind bars, or worse. Recently in Chicago (where I live) there was a man who faced the death penalty and was killed in the early 70s. He was pardoned posthumously for his crimes. How much is that worth to him? How much is that worth to the family?
You are very very correct. I think when it is all done and said, we have to bow to the fact that there is no system that is perfect. Our system does not take CP lightly, which is why it takes 10, 15, 20 years or better to go through the appeals process. As forensics technology improves I think there will be less chance of the innocent sent to prison. As it is, we hold to a very strict standard as far as who is sent to death row. A credit to our vigilance to strive for perfection in this issue.
Kinda funny, how we see eye to eye, yet totally disagree. I think that no matter how far forensics technology (or any other technology for that matter) advances, there will still be glitches. At least one person will get fucked by the system. That one person matters to me. Sure it's a miniscule statistic, but it's a life. Imagine if that one person was you. Or your father. Or your brother. Or your son. Or your wife.
As you think of the 1 innocent person on death row, I think of the 10,000 guilty one's, and the victims whose lives they ruined.

I also believe that dna testing is righting a ton of wrongs now, and at the same time finding the real criminals. Eventually, it will come to a point where all reasonable doubt has been eliminated through such technology.

Maybe DNA can be the deal breaker or sealer. No DNA? reasonal doubt then exist. DNA? yer sunk.
As you think of those 10,000, think of them rotting away in a 6 x 6 concrete room. Then think of all their pain leaving their body in an instant. For such a heinous crime, what is a better punishment?

m3thod wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Lifelong imprisonment with no chance of release.
+ castration.

(now that's being punished)
Yeah, that's not fucking barbaric in any way.
5 viagra pills a day?
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-01-04 10:11:24
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6926

fadedsteve wrote:

I am for the death penalty as a PENALTY! as in a painful penalty! i.e. hanging, firing squad, gas chamber, electric chair etc.

CommieChipmunk wrote:

That is true... but punishing murder with murder is hypocritical.

EVieira wrote:

Justice is not about revenge or things of the like.
i don't happen to see the death penalty as punishment. it is the penalty for commiting whatever crime.
a professor once told our class the way to tell if you are for or against the death penalty:
would you be able to carry out the sentance personally?

this topic is like abortion, religion, or any other similar topic: two camps of unchangeable opinions
fighting for the fence sitters.

i think i could carry out the sentance, but don't think i'll ever be in that situation...
2007-01-04 11:06:32
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6920|Northern California

CameronPoe wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


I agree that they must be punished. I don't agree with execution but I certainly don't agree with treating them like errant children - they need to pay for their crime.
Indulge me Cam... What punishment would you place on a person who has molested and killed a children?  How would you make them pay?
Lifelong imprisonment with no chance of release.
that, or just put them to work.  labor camps are good if they're able.

The point people fail to make is that punishment is NOT to serve the public...it's to serve the offender.  The benefit of that punishment is that the offender can't repeat the offense.  Wanting more is not our right.

Supporting the death penalty means only one thing..you want to kill.  If you want to kill criminals, then I'm sorry for how you think. 

I can imagine the most grotesque crimes happening to my children and wife without sharing those examples here, and I can honestly say that I will forgive that fucker, and I will NOT want death to be upon him at my expense.  It simply serves no purpose or benefit to me to have that person killed.

Yoda is right, as was Jesus...evil does not beget good.
2007-01-04 14:13:14
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7080|USA
I am curious as to how you can say life in prison is worse than death, then NOT want to execute the guilty for fear of killing an innocent, and are content with having the innocent linger in a situation that you already admit is worse than death ityself.
2007-01-04 14:22:02
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6984

lowing wrote:

I am curious as to how you can say life in prison is worse than death, then NOT want to execute the guilty for fear of killing an innocent, and are content with having the innocent linger in a situation that you already admit is worse than death ityself.
Probably because the hope that justice will eventually prevail and the wrongfully convicted walks free is a darned sight better than being wrongfully given a lethal injection, irrespective of the suffering involved. And they'll likely be handsomely compensated financially for the miscarriage of justice.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-04 14:22:50)

2007-01-05 03:35:52
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7075
Do to others as you would have them do to you.

Know what's really barbaric? MURDER
2007-01-06 14:35:04
UGADawgs
Member
+13|6750|South Carolina, US

CameronPoe wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


I agree that they must be punished. I don't agree with execution but I certainly don't agree with treating them like errant children - they need to pay for their crime.
Indulge me Cam... What punishment would you place on a person who has molested and killed a children?  How would you make them pay?
Lifelong imprisonment with no chance of release.
There's always the chance of escape, which is slim, but I still wouldn't want a serial killer who just had 30 years to stew in prison on the loose.
2007-01-06 14:36:59
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6823|The Gem Saloon
you know the soviets used to shoot a motherfucker in the head and then send the bill for the bullet to theyre family.........ah good times.
2007-01-07 21:05:46
JDizzleNO1
Member
+1|6827
i believe in the death sentence..in fact..to the point that i believe that it should be eye for an eye...example...if u stab somebody to death..ur death is to be stabbed......it would be more of a deterent then spending our hard earned money having somebody live in death row for 55 years before execution (an exageration sure..but not by much)

 

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