CameronPoe
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Recently Ethiopia, for reasons not entirely made clear in the media, decided to attack Somalia. It succesfully took several key towns before marching triumphantly into the capital Mogadishu, allowing the UN-recognised government-in-exile to enter the capital for the first time in years. The Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) which had established itself as a stabilising force in the country, and had turned the seemingly perpetual chaos that existed into an admittedly oppressive peace (but peace and stability nonetheless), fled into the mountains never having seriously engaged the Ethiopian forces. The UIC are now staging their insurgency with hit and run attacks on Ethiopian troops and the Ethiopians are complaining that they haven't got the funds to commit to keeping the peace or stabilising the country.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/africa … 56010.html

I have a few questions:

Why did Ethiopia really attack Somalia, especially given how impoverished they are (as they are now harping on about)?

What did they have to gain or hope to gain?

Are they carrying out this attack on behalf of the US (who have failed there before, have a populace currently hostile to further military action and don't really have the resources to do anything themselves outside of Iraq and Afghanistan at the moment)?

If so what did the US promise to give them?

How long will it be before Somalia descends into chaos again?

It kind of reminds of the movie 'Lord of War'. To me it seems as though Ethiopia have been put up to this task by a mysterious external party....

Isn't it about time the west stopped mucking about in other nations affairs?

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-03 06:41:28)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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I won't comment on this, because I don't want "some" people to tell me anti-American, and besides I have no proof only a theory.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7109|United States of America

CameronPoe wrote:

Are they carrying out this attack on behalf of the US (who have failed there before, have a populace currently hostile to further military action and don't really have the resources to do anything themselves outside of Iraq and Afghanistan at the moment)?

If so what did the US promise to give them?
I don't see how you make that connection and I hope to God you are not relating it to 1993.

CameronPoe wrote:

Isn't it about time the west stopped mucking about in other nations affairs?
You haven't established that to be true yet for this occurrence.
EVieira
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DesertFox423 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Are they carrying out this attack on behalf of the US (who have failed there before, have a populace currently hostile to further military action and don't really have the resources to do anything themselves outside of Iraq and Afghanistan at the moment)?

If so what did the US promise to give them?
I don't see how you make that connection and I hope to God you are not relating it to 1993.
Ethiopia is one of US closest allies in Africa. Their entire military is supplied by the US. Its is stipulated that the US is behind the downfall of the previous Ethiopian regime. You can check more about Ethiopia-US relations here, including the billions the US sends them in aid.

Its very likely that the US supported the invasion of Somalia, to say the absolute least.

DesertFox423 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Isn't it about time the west stopped mucking about in other nations affairs?
You haven't established that to be true yet for this occurrence.
Althought its very likely, he hasn't said it is true. But still its a valid point.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
[RDH]Warlord
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Yeah, while it may not be true for this specific case, it is true for others.  One that gets me mad in particular, Israel.

So when did this "recent" invasion of Somalia happen?  Maybe I'm just so ignorant recently but I heard nothing.  If it happened before 2000 (when I became more politically active and world-wise), then that is why.
CameronPoe
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[RDH]Warlord wrote:

Yeah, while it may not be true for this specific case, it is true for others.  One that gets me mad in particular, Israel.

So when did this "recent" invasion of Somalia happen?  Maybe I'm just so ignorant recently but I heard nothing.  If it happened before 2000 (when I became more politically active and world-wise), then that is why.
It happened over Christmas actually! Search any major news site.
[RDH]Warlord
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Thanks.  Haven't read the news over vacation, will try to catch up today.
rawls2
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CameronPoe wrote:

Recently Ethiopia, for reasons not entirely made clear in the media, decided to attack Somalia. It succesfully took several key towns before marching triumphantly into the capital Mogadishu, allowing the UN-recognised government-in-exile to enter the capital for the first time in years. The Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) which had established itself as a stabilising force in the country, and had turned the seemingly perpetual chaos that existed into an admittedly oppressive peace (but peace and stability nonetheless), fled into the mountains never having seriously engaged the Ethiopian forces. The UIC are now staging their insurgency with hit and run attacks on Ethiopian troops and the Ethiopians are complaining that they haven't got the funds to commit to keeping the peace or stabilising the country.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/africa … 56010.html

I have a few questions:

Why did Ethiopia really attack Somalia, especially given how impoverished they are (as they are now harping on about)?

What did they have to gain or hope to gain?

Are they carrying out this attack on behalf of the US (who have failed there before, have a populace currently hostile to further military action and don't really have the resources to do anything themselves outside of Iraq and Afghanistan at the moment)?

If so what did the US promise to give them?

How long will it be before Somalia descends into chaos again?

It kind of reminds of the movie 'Lord of War'. To me it seems as though Ethiopia have been put up to this task by a mysterious external party....

Isn't it about time the west stopped mucking about in other nations affairs?
Seems to me the US is taking a page out of Iran's play book. Much easier and cleaner to have someone else fight wars for you. Besides everybody knows the US is at war with islam.
Jepeto87
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Could be because the Ethiopian government feared the UIC would attempt to capture a mainly Muslim western province in Ethiopia( Ogaden Province )  if they gained control over Somalia. I suggest this because Somalia has in fact attempted this befor (july 23rd 1977) .... sorry ive no conspiracy/ evil America theories to add!

Also from what ive seen and read on the Ethiopian army, it uses Russian rifles, Russian tanks and Russian jets.

Last edited by Jepeto87 (2007-01-03 09:29:54)

Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
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CameronPoe wrote:

How long will it be before Somalia descends into chaos again?
They've had a reprieve from chaos? In my understanding, you have to have actually had stability to have chaos again.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
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Agree with Elamdri - the civil war in Somalia spilled over into Ethiopia.  I thought (could be wrong) that the old gov't from Somalia was stuck in Somalia for many years prior to this.

As far as "on behalf of the US" - we let the country go to shit by leaving in '93...if we're getting more involved now...after 15 years of bloody civil war, 13 years after the area has been splintered up by warlords...little late or never?
m3thod
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sergeriver wrote:

I won't comment on this, because I don't want "some" people to tell me anti-American, and besides I have no proof only a theory.
If you don't comment fearing a backlash of anti-US responses namely from one individual then he has won.  You've been coerced into this position.

Anyway its a theory, invite them to disprove it
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Kmar
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Elamdri wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

How long will it be before Somalia descends into chaos again?
They've had a reprieve from chaos? In my understanding, you have to have actually had stability to have chaos again.
Even the government only had control of one of its towns we all know it's the great Satan's fault.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
TeamZephyr
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It is possible that they were afraid that the brutal Islamic system in Somalia would try and cross the border....
CameronPoe
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Kmarion wrote:

Elamdri wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

How long will it be before Somalia descends into chaos again?
They've had a reprieve from chaos? In my understanding, you have to have actually had stability to have chaos again.
Even the government only had control of one of its towns we all know it's the great Satan's fault.
Somalia's state is no fault of the US.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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CameronPoe wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Elamdri wrote:

They've had a reprieve from chaos? In my understanding, you have to have actually had stability to have chaos again.
Even the government only had control of one of its towns we all know it's the great Satan's fault.
Somalia's state is no fault of the US.
My sarcasm eluded you.

Edit: Mt sarcasm..lol

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-03 12:41:43)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
CameronPoe
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Kmarion wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Even the government only had control of one of its towns we all know it's the great Satan's fault.
Somalia's state is no fault of the US.
My sarcasm eluded you.

Edit: Mt sarcasm..lol
Sometimes it's hard to tell with Americans like usmarine2007 and Fancy_Pollux on the forum who say things like that and genuinely mean it!

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-03 12:43:57)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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CameronPoe wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Somalia's state is no fault of the US.
My sarcasm eluded you.

Edit: Mt sarcasm..lol
Sometimes it's hard to tell with Americans like usmarine2007 and Fancy_Pollux on the forum who say things like that and genuinely mean it!
Understood.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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m3thod wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I won't comment on this, because I don't want "some" people to tell me anti-American, and besides I have no proof only a theory.
If you don't comment fearing a backlash of anti-US responses namely from one individual then he has won.  You've been coerced into this position.

Anyway its a theory, invite them to disprove it
I think it's obvious what I meant with this.  I agree with Cameron's theory.
ATG
Banned
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TeamZephyr wrote:

It is possible that they were afraid that the brutal Islamic system in Somalia would try and cross the border....
Thats exactly what it is. They see Islam as a threat as they are mostlly Christian.
Ajax_the_Great1
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CameronPoe
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http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/afric … index.html

The plot thickens:

"In Washington on Wednesday, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said U.S. Navy vessels were deployed off the Somalian coast looking for al Qaeda and allied militants trying to escape.

Dinari said the government believes foreign terrorist elements are among the Islamic militiamen fighting in Badade.

With the Islamic movement's fighters on the run, concern has grown about extremists believed to be among them. Three al-Qaida suspects in the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in East Africa are believed to be leaders of the Islamic movement. The movement denies having any links to al-Qaida."

Well, well, there's a surprise.
Major_Spittle
Banned
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CameronPoe wrote:

Isn't it about time the west stopped mucking about in other nations affairs?
Is Ethiopia "west" of Somalia?

You would be the first to whine if the US ever got out of other people's bussiness.  Me thinks Ireland doesn't have the military to keep ANYONE from pwning it, so stop hiding behind the US while sucker punching it.
CameronPoe
Member
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Major_Spittle wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Isn't it about time the west stopped mucking about in other nations affairs?
Is Ethiopia "west" of Somalia?

You would be the first to whine if the US ever got out of other people's bussiness.  Me thinks Ireland doesn't have the military to keep ANYONE from pwning it, so stop hiding behind the US while sucker punching it.
Hahaha. Nice. Because we're all in so much danger. Help, help, the sky is falling in!!!
Major_Spittle
Banned
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CameronPoe wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Isn't it about time the west stopped mucking about in other nations affairs?
Is Ethiopia "west" of Somalia?

You would be the first to whine if the US ever got out of other people's bussiness.  Me thinks Ireland doesn't have the military to keep ANYONE from pwning it, so stop hiding behind the US while sucker punching it.
Hahaha. Nice. Because we're all in so much danger. Help, help, the sky is falling in!!!
Why you gotta be all like that Cameron?  You know its true.  The US cottled your sorry potatoe growing, whiskey drinking, lephricon seeing, mutton eatting asses long enough.  Now get out their and go kick some 3rd world ass with the rest of us. It's fun, you'll see.

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