Kmar
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http://www.bbcgovernors.co.uk/docs/revi … _final.txt


BBC Admits Anti-American Bias http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/a … p;num=9954
While the Western world awaits, with trepidation, the onslaught of Al-Jazeera International, another channel has been making increasingly disturbing inroads into the U.S. The British Broadcasting Company (BBC), the dominant English language network in the world, has been getting its broadcasts on public television stations here. But there is a hopeful sign. The BBC is coming around to recognizing and acknowledging its own bias.

At a recent, so-called "impartiality" conference, one of its top executives acknowledged that the BBC has not been listening to its viewers, and has come to be dominated by leftist and politically correct viewpoints.



I have a problem with the PC stuff, not so much as the so called "anti-American" stuff. I am actually downloading a documentary by the BBC right now called "The Nuclear Walmart".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/p … 135736.stm

So I guess the discussion should be:
Do you believe the BBC is biased or that it promotes a leftist agenda?

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-12-27 14:16:47)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
ATG
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England is much more socialist than America, so it would appear so.
ghettoperson
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BBC executives admitted the corporation is dominated by homosexuals
That made me roffle my waffles.
usmarine2007
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Can't say that I am suprised.....look at the people on this forum who ALWAYS quote the BBC.
Stingray24
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ATG wrote:

England is much more socialist than America, so it would appear so.
SpaceApollyon
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Kmarion wrote:

Do you believe the BBC is biased or that it promotes a leftist agenda?
Yes. Because “reality has a well-known liberal bias.”
usmarine2007
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SpaceApollyon wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Do you believe the BBC is biased or that it promotes a leftist agenda?
Yes. Because “reality has a well-known liberal bias.”
No, BBC, just like every news org, is big business.....not accurate news.
SpaceApollyon
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usmarine2007 wrote:

SpaceApollyon wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Do you believe the BBC is biased or that it promotes a leftist agenda?
Yes. Because “reality has a well-known liberal bias.”
No, BBC, just like every news org, is big business.....not accurate news.
Maybe, Im not quite sure if that applies to all big news agencies. And certainly they provide some news without biased agenda!

...and I think that the biggest bias can be seen afterwards, when we find out what news they didnt show us.

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Recoil555
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BBC is biased as any other news channel, its just they pretend not to be bias which creates a problem because they blatantly are.

As for people quoting the BBC news as the truth its not, its mediated version of events meaning the only words you can really trust most of the time are the nouns and verbs and any type of description is bias by nature.

It does promote leftist agenda but it also bashes the Tony Blair alot so they are really just going along with what they think people want to hear rather than being bothered about actually news.

Having said that though it doesn't have nearly as much bias as some news channels.

Last edited by Recoil555 (2006-12-27 06:03:47)

EVieira
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usmarine2007 wrote:

SpaceApollyon wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Do you believe the BBC is biased or that it promotes a leftist agenda?
Yes. Because “reality has a well-known liberal bias.”
No, BBC, just like every news org, is big business.....not accurate news.
All news has some bias, its utopical to think differently. Some have more bias (as Fox or Al Jazeera) others less. Hence the need to always have more than one source.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
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=OBS= EstebanRey
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Kmarion wrote:

BBC Admits Anti-American Bias http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/a … p;num=9954
What a load of tripe.  The reporting in that article is shockingly bad and it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that the only biased party is it's author.  I mean, what intelligent reporter would say something like the BBC is 'dominated' by homosexuals?  It sounds like a childish insult rather than an insightful analysis. 

At one point it states the example of a Muslim fundementalist being given 12 minutes of air time.  So how many HOURS air time does George Bush (a Christian fundementalist IMO) get a day, let alone all together?  Surely televising Bush go on his "war on terror" speeches without showing a single reply from the people he is trying to kill is biased (something most Republican channels in the US do I'm sure), showing both points of view (as the BBC do, even if it upsets the likes of the cowboy Rodeo guy in Borat) is unbiased as the BBC tend to do.

This article stinks of American red-neckism and the fact they cite the Daily Mail for back up proves it.  Basically, a day doesn't go by when that paper aren't moaning about immigration and "foreigners".  It's a Neo-Cons dream and I'm in no doubt the writer here is exactly that type of guy.  Someone who wants the BBC  to show non-stop clips of George Bush making his speeches about "then evil folks in Iraq".

The whole story fell flat though when Richard Klein's comments made absolutley no reference to the BBC being anti-American.  All he said was he felt the BBC were out of touch with the people.  He could mean they should be more left wing!  He doesn't make any reference to the headline.

I watch BBC news everyday and there is NO bias.  As with all news reporting, the newscaster only tells the facts and not opinion (unless it's the opinion of an interviewee).  There can only be bias in BBC documenetary but then, if you don't have analysis, opinion and conclusion in a documentary then it isn't one.

The BBC is one of the most unbiased media corporations out there compared to the likes of Al-Jazeera or the Daily Mail.

Last edited by =OBS= EstebanRey (2006-12-27 07:26:46)

zeidmaan
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man its so unprofessional that I'm gonna print this article out..... and wipe my ass with it.
ncc6206
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=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

BBC Admits Anti-American Bias http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/a … p;num=9954
What a load of tripe.  The reporting in that article is shockingly bad and it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that the only biased party is it's author.  I mean, what intelligent reporter would say something like the BBC is 'dominated' by homosexuals?  It sounds like a childish insult rather than an insightful analysis. 

At one point it states the example of a Muslim fundementalist being given 12 minutes of air time.  So how many HOURS air time does George Bush (a Christian fundementalist IMO) get a day, let alone all together?  Surely televising Bush go on his "war on terror" speeches without showing a single reply from the people he is trying to kill is biased (something most Republican channels in the US do I'm sure), showing both points of view (as the BBC do, even if it upsets the likes of the cowboy Rodeo guy in Borat) is unbiased as the BBC tend to do.

This article stinks of American red-neckism and the fact they cite the Daily Mail for back up proves it.  Basically, a day doesn't go by when that paper aren't moaning about immigration and "foreigners".  It's a Neo-Cons dream and I'm in no doubt the writer here is exactly that type of guy.  Someone who wants the BBC  to show non-stop clips of George Bush making his speeches about "then evil folks in Iraq".

The whole story fell flat though when Richard Klein's comments made absolutley no reference to the BBC being anti-American.  All he said was he felt the BBC were out of touch with the people.  He could mean they should be more left wing!  He doesn't make any reference to the headline.

I watch BBC news everyday and there is NO bias.  As with all news reporting, the newscaster only tells the facts and not opinion (unless it's the opinion of an interviewee).  There can only be bias in BBC documenetary but then, if you don't have analysis, opinion and conclusion in a documentary then it isn't one.

The BBC is one of the most unbiased media corporations out there compared to the likes of Al-Jazeera or the Daily Mail.
You cannot honestyl say their is NO bias on BBC. I listen to BBC radio on NPR and the coverage on a news story takes a different slant from the get go. Its in their subtle choice of words and news coverage that may make it seem that they are impartial but they are most certainly not. I only say this because I have removed myself from my personal point of view on the material being reported and I truly listened to what was being said.  I still listen to them but I listen more intently on the facts than what the report trys to say.
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ncc6206 wrote:

You cannot honestyl say their is NO bias on BBC. I listen to BBC radio on NPR and the coverage on a news story takes a different slant from the get go. Its in their subtle choice of words and news coverage that may make it seem that they are impartial but they are most certainly not. I only say this because I have removed myself from my personal point of view on the material being reported and I truly listened to what was being said.  I still listen to them but I listen more intently on the facts than what the report trys to say.
It depends what you mean by The BBC and unbiased really.  The BBC is absolutely huge and it is very shortsighted to just say, "The BBC is biased".   Radio shows and documentaries are made by people who have opinions and it is with that knowledge that you view/listen to them and make your own mind up; the news however is different but then I can't honestly say I've ever watch a bulletin on the BBC and thought they'd only presented one side of the story.  Even when they reported on Abu Grade (spelling?) they spent as much time showing shocking images as they did interviewing American Generals who had the opportunity to defend the situation.

Yes, the BBC on occasion will report an American action in a bad light but you would be stupid to think that everything the US (or the UK) did was right and moral.  And surely showing the other side of the coin as well as the one we're told to believe in by Bush & Blair is the epitome of neutrality.  After reading the article posted by the OP, it seems obvious to me that it's author doesn't want an unbiased BBC, he/she wants one that always portrays the US as heroes and anyone they're at war with a treacherous villains.  Unfortunately, war isn't that black and white and thank God corporations like the BBC are brave enough to stand up every now and then and say, "Hey, we're actually in the wrong here".

If you want to compare the BBC with something, compare it with George Galloway's Talk Sport (not BBC) radio show (excerts avaialable on youtube, just serach for George Galloway).  This guy is far more left than the BBC could ever be.......

Here's his famous Sky News clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNiNS8TnJnI
sergeriver
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usmarine2007 wrote:

Can't say that I am suprised.....look at the people on this forum who ALWAYS quote the BBC.
Who are these people who always quote the BBC?  Which is your preferred News source?  And you believe that BBC is anti-American just because it appeared in some biased News site.
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sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Can't say that I am suprised.....look at the people on this forum who ALWAYS quote the BBC.
Who are these people who always quote the BBC?  Which is your preferred News source?  And you believe that BBC is anti-American just because it appeared in some biased News site.
QFE - the word of some unknown biased website is enough to confirm to usmarine that the BBC should be dismissed as biased. That's says something about his bias.

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King_County_Downy
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I watch BBC and like the fact that it's biased. That's why I watch it. If I want to hear the American perspective on things, I watch CNN and/or Fox. I'm uncertain why this is "news" to anyone. It's painfully obvious which side of the fence they want you to see and who is the "victim" in their news casts. Everyone has a right to their opinion and I would never doubt for a minute that a station like Al Jahzeer would make Westerners and infidels look like the bad guys. Total no brainer. More like, duh-
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http://www.californiarepublic.org/archi … fHome.html

The author of that article is a grade-A assclown...a cheaper version of Bill O'Liely and a neo-conservative pundit disguised as a "freedom fighter" that roots out "liberal bias" in the media.  He has no credentials other than punditry and his message isn't that thoroughly thought out in the BBC article.  Thank you for playing, Mr. Aronoff, but you didn't win the prize.
Kmar
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=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

BBC Admits Anti-American Bias http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/a … p;num=9954
What a load of tripe.  The reporting in that article is shockingly bad and it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that the only biased party is it's author.  I mean, what intelligent reporter would say something like the BBC is 'dominated' by homosexuals?  It sounds like a childish insult rather than an insightful analysis. 

At one point it states the example of a Muslim fundementalist being given 12 minutes of air time.  So how many HOURS air time does George Bush (a Christian fundementalist IMO) get a day, let alone all together?  Surely televising Bush go on his "war on terror" speeches without showing a single reply from the people he is trying to kill is biased (something most Republican channels in the US do I'm sure), showing both points of view (as the BBC do, even if it upsets the likes of the cowboy Rodeo guy in Borat) is unbiased as the BBC tend to do.

This article stinks of American red-neckism and the fact they cite the Daily Mail for back up proves it.  Basically, a day doesn't go by when that paper aren't moaning about immigration and "foreigners".  It's a Neo-Cons dream and I'm in no doubt the writer here is exactly that type of guy.  Someone who wants the BBC  to show non-stop clips of George Bush making his speeches about "then evil folks in Iraq".

The whole story fell flat though when Richard Klein's comments made absolutley no reference to the BBC being anti-American.  All he said was he felt the BBC were out of touch with the people.  He could mean they should be more left wing!  He doesn't make any reference to the headline.

I watch BBC news everyday and there is NO bias.  As with all news reporting, the newscaster only tells the facts and not opinion (unless it's the opinion of an interviewee).  There can only be bias in BBC documenetary but then, if you don't have analysis, opinion and conclusion in a documentary then it isn't one.

The BBC is one of the most unbiased media corporations out there compared to the likes of Al-Jazeera or the Daily Mail.
It's the BBC own people that created this.
As far as the Homosexual remarks, I suggest you check with Jeff Randall.

In the seminar former BBC business editor Jeff Randall claimed that he was told by a senior news executive in the organisation that "The BBC is not neutral in multiculturalism: it believes in it and it promotes it." Political correspondent Andrew Marr said that "The BBC is not impartial or neutral. It's a publicly funded, urban organisation with an abnormally large number of young people, ethnic minorities and gay people. It has a liberal bias not so much a party-political bias. It is better expressed as a cultural liberal bias".[2] These comments were reported in the UK national press a couple of weeks later. At the seminar Helen Boaden (Director of BBC News) said that the BBC must be impartial on the issue of multiculturalism.

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

http://www.californiarepublic.org/archives/Columns/Aronoff/AronoffHome.html

The author of that article is a grade-A assclown...a cheaper version of Bill O'Liely and a neo-conservative pundit disguised as a "freedom fighter" that roots out "liberal bias" in the media.  He has no credentials other than punditry and his message isn't that thoroughly thought out in the BBC article.  Thank you for playing, Mr. Aronoff, but you didn't win the prize.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_ … ty_Seminar
Better?

The point of this post was not to claim such information as gospel. It was to get others opinions with regards to how impartial BBC is.

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-12-27 10:01:14)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
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Kmarion wrote:

The point of this post was not to claim such information as gospel. It was to get others opinions with regards to how impartial BBC is.
Then why not start off on an unbiased foot yourself and remove your photoshopped BB(Islam) logo? 

You know nothing about human psychology if you think there is a standard moral code or set of opinions that is correct and one we all adhere to.  If you had a room full of one hundred people and asked them one hundred opinion-based questions there wouldn't be single response that they all agreed on.  So how can any news agency that reaches the four corners of the globe be unbiased in everybody's mind?  If the BBC reported a story,  even nowadays, on the haulocast; there would be Nazis that would accuse the BBC of bias.  OK, so that's a pretty extreme example but it makes the point.

In no way shape or form is the BBC as biased as many, many other news corporations so why not talk about them?  Look at something like the Daily Mail or Fox News?  Or on the left, the Daily Mirror (as seen in my sig.  Does that headline seem unbiased?).  In fact, here is a list of British newspapers and they're tendancies: -

http://www.world-newspapers.com/uk.html

And whilst you're on the information super highway and check out this damning report of Fox?

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067

That website's pretty good actually; it reports on bias from all the US networks.

So, the BBC report on an American blunder and they're accused of bias by Neo-Cons whilst Fox cherry picks the facts and polishes the proverbial turd that is the story.  It's the news and it's why I get mine from more than one source.  But, if Ihad to choose the most unbiased station that I know of, I'd go for the BBC.
Fancy_Pollux
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Notice that the only people here defending BBC are those who are anti-US and extreme liberals. People just don't get it. Just because a news source's bias is aligned to your own, it doesn't mean it's no longer biased.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-12-27 10:49:56)

Cybargs
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Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Notice that the only people here defending BBC are those who are anti-US and extreme liberals. People just don't get it. Just because a news source's bias is aligned to your own, it doesn't mean it's no longer biased.
I think that just made him leave.
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=OBS= EstebanRey
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Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Notice that the only people here defending BBC are those who are anti-US and extreme liberals. People just don't get it. Just because a news source's bias is aligned to your own, it doesn't mean it's no longer biased.
Read my post again and tell me where I say that the BBC isn't biased....

P.S Your logical works the other way round too you know?  I.e If a news station's view isn't alligned with your own, how do you know you're not the "biased" one?  Way to go with the circular argument there!
Cybargs
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=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Notice that the only people here defending BBC are those who are anti-US and extreme liberals. People just don't get it. Just because a news source's bias is aligned to your own, it doesn't mean it's no longer biased.
Read my post again and tell me where I say that the BBC isn't biased....

P.S Your logical works the other way round too you know?  I.e If a news station's view isn't alligned with your own, how do you know you're not the "biased" one?  Way to go with the circular argument there!
Everybody's biased, it's just how biased they are.
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m3thod
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Notice that the only people here defending BBC are those who are anti-US and extreme liberals. People just don't get it. Just because a news source's bias is aligned to your own, it doesn't mean it's no longer biased.
I think that just made him leave.
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