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2006-12-19 17:36:02
Fredrik
i hate you all
+201|7074|Norway

Masques wrote:

Related?

The Iranian central bank is to convert the state's foreign dollar assets into euros and use the euro for foreign transactions.

"The government has ordered the central bank to replace the dollar with the euro to limit the problems of the executive organs in commercial transactions," Gholam Hossein Elham, a government spokesman, said on
Monday.
Nice one, this is a threat to democracy (which is a another word for american economy)

Last edited by Fredrik (2006-12-19 17:38:07)

2006-12-20 05:23:43
JahManRed
wank
+646|7053|IRELAND

topthrill05 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

I like Ireland, have a few mick friends, but isolationism and appeasement never produce good results.
None of my family and friends are getting killed to keep my gas/petrol prices down. I don't mind paying twice the price. We as a nation take th e finical burden on our potato eating chins.  appeasement never produce good results? It does when you appease your people, doing what they want and stay the fuck out of other countries affairs like Ireland does.
BTW. I have an Irish and British Passport so I'm duel nationality. You have allot of "Mick" friends? Thankfully I don't have any hick, redneck trigger happy ones.
Where do you have any right in the first place to talk? Seems to me you sit on your ass and do nothing just like your country. The US donates billions a year to help country's out, what does Ireland do? Save your stereotypical bull shit for your friends while you eat potato's and talk about American politics while your ignorant to the little your country does in the first place.

Whew..... In no way am I saying America is perfect, but lets keep things in perspective shall we?
So you give off to me for countering a Racial stereo type aimed at me, by throwing a courter stereo type back. Then you you throw your dummy out of your pram and use a Racial stereo type of your own.....amazing!!!

The difference between me an you is I believe Iran would never have begun a nuclear program in my lifetime if Iran hadn't been put on the Axis of Evil list and earmarked for future invasion.
We are quite happy here in Ireland eating our potatoes, we have loads because no one else on the planet eats them apparently, we don't fuck with people they don't fuck with us. Why the hell should I feel guilty that Ireland isn't militarizing, building a nuclear and conventional arsenal to glodetrot around the world. Why should we? Its not in our constitution to interfere in the running of other countries. The Iran problem is of your own making, don't cry when the other countries don't rush to sacrifice their citizens to further American imperialism.

Since you brought the whole aid issue up.The Israeli government is the largest recipient of US financial aid in the world, receiving over one-third of total US aid to foreign countries, even though Israel’s population comprises just .001% of the world’s population and has one the world’s higher per capita incomes. Explain that 'charity' to me. Get of your high horse for a second and look at the figures bellow. Ireland gives more per capita which means we as a people give more of our taxes and earnings to aid than Americans. I normally wouldn't bring this up as each countries contribution is governed by its own internal and external politics, but I had to when people accuse us of not contributing.

Country Per capita government aid ($US) Per capita private giving ($US)
Norway           1.02                                       0.24
Denmark        0.64                                        0.01
Sweden          0.61                                        0.01
Netherlands    0.57                                        0.04
Switzerland     0.35                                        0.07
Ireland           0.28                                        0.06
Belgium          0.28                                        0.02
France            0.25                                        0.01
Finland            0.24                                        0.01
UK                  0.23                                        0.02
Germany         0.18                                        0.03
Japan             0.20                                        0.004
Austria            0.18                                        0.02
Canada           0.17                                         0.02
United States   0.13                                         0.05
Australia          0.14                                         0.03
Spain              0.11                                          0.01
Italy                0.11                                        0.002
Portugal          0.09                                        0.001
New Zealand    0.08                                         0.01
Greece            0.07                                         0.001
2006-12-20 05:27:14
JahManRed
wank
+646|7053|IRELAND

Turquoise wrote:

Ireland isn't exactly a military power.  If it was, maybe it would do more.  Then again, do you really think America would be so adamant about warfare if we only had about 4 million people?

We have a major industry built around war.  It's very profitable for certain special interests that practically run our government.  If you read between the lines, you start to realize that we war so often mostly out of serving these corporate interests, not yours or mine.  We foot the bill for these wars, and personally, I'm getting sick of it.  Shouldn't we be spending more of our tax money on our own country, rather than throwing it at a country that just blows up the shit we build?
QFE
2006-12-20 06:57:20
RicardoBlanco
The English
+177|6993|Oxford

usmarine2007 wrote:

Time to get my boots out of the closet and my uniforms to the cleaners.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061219/ap_ … pe/us_iran
It'll never come to war with Iran, like you don't have enough on your plate already! Take your eye off the ball and it'll hit you in the face, along with Iran/Syria...
2006-12-20 07:09:36
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6980

RicardoBlanco wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Time to get my boots out of the closet and my uniforms to the cleaners.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061219/ap_ … pe/us_iran
It'll never come to war with Iran, like you don't have enough on your plate already! Take your eye off the ball and it'll hit you in the face, along with Iran/Syria...
They managed to sort out Afghanistan nicely before moving on to Iraq so why wouldn't they be able to .... oh wait!

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-12-20 07:11:18)

2006-12-20 07:16:45
arson
Member
+99|7062|New York

apollo_fi wrote:

Does the US have enough troops for Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran?
Haven't you seen the Team America movie? We have it all covered.
"Team America- Fuck Yeah!"
2006-12-20 09:05:00
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7167|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
While Americans are fond of knocking Ireland, I was listening to a former British US ambassador on the radio the other night, who when asked which country has an effect on the US administration (not that I think Bush listens to anyone), he answered without hesitation, that after Israel next would be the Republic of Ireland - far more so than the UK in his estimination - must be something to do with the 40 million odd Americans that are of Irish descent..
2006-12-20 09:06:42
stkhoplite
Banned
+564|6904|Sheffield-England

RDMC(2) wrote:

Hoohaa!
sharkbait hoohaahaa!
2006-12-20 12:33:16
topthrill05
Member
+125|7003|Rochester NY USA

JahManRed wrote:

topthrill05 wrote:

JahManRed wrote:


None of my family and friends are getting killed to keep my gas/petrol prices down. I don't mind paying twice the price. We as a nation take th e finical burden on our potato eating chins.  appeasement never produce good results? It does when you appease your people, doing what they want and stay the fuck out of other countries affairs like Ireland does.
BTW. I have an Irish and British Passport so I'm duel nationality. You have allot of "Mick" friends? Thankfully I don't have any hick, redneck trigger happy ones.
Where do you have any right in the first place to talk? Seems to me you sit on your ass and do nothing just like your country. The US donates billions a year to help country's out, what does Ireland do? Save your stereotypical bull shit for your friends while you eat potato's and talk about American politics while your ignorant to the little your country does in the first place.

Whew..... In no way am I saying America is perfect, but lets keep things in perspective shall we?
So you give off to me for countering a Racial stereo type aimed at me, by throwing a courter stereo type back. Then you you throw your dummy out of your pram and use a Racial stereo type of your own.....amazing!!!

The difference between me an you is I believe Iran would never have begun a nuclear program in my lifetime if Iran hadn't been put on the Axis of Evil list and earmarked for future invasion.
We are quite happy here in Ireland eating our potatoes, we have loads because no one else on the planet eats them apparently, we don't fuck with people they don't fuck with us. Why the hell should I feel guilty that Ireland isn't militarizing, building a nuclear and conventional arsenal to glodetrot around the world. Why should we? Its not in our constitution to interfere in the running of other countries. The Iran problem is of your own making, don't cry when the other countries don't rush to sacrifice their citizens to further American imperialism.

Since you brought the whole aid issue up.The Israeli government is the largest recipient of US financial aid in the world, receiving over one-third of total US aid to foreign countries, even though Israel’s population comprises just .001% of the world’s population and has one the world’s higher per capita incomes. Explain that 'charity' to me. Get of your high horse for a second and look at the figures bellow. Ireland gives more per capita which means we as a people give more of our taxes and earnings to aid than Americans. I normally wouldn't bring this up as each countries contribution is governed by its own internal and external politics, but I had to when people accuse us of not contributing.
The stereotype thrown back at you was for the hick reference.

Now I have to wonder if those figures really mean anything. Do those count the billions and billions that we are spending in Iraq, much of that is going towards good things. Also whenever there is a major disaster we generally give the most many times in the billions. I am sure if we were to add all these figures America might surpass Ireland.

Please don't tell me to get off my high horse, which happens to be very low to the ground at the moment. In fact I wish we didn't give one penny to anyone. We should fix our own problems instead of worrying about the world, because really what comes of it? Terrorist attacks by people that I am sure at one point were helped by us. Then even when we do give huge sums of money we are still hated.

I took my anger out on you in that last post and for that I am quite sorry. But can you blame me?
2006-12-20 13:57:50
13rin
Member
+977|6904

IRONCHEF wrote:

I have faith (probably more like "hope") in my country and it's army in defending itself domestically.  But bullying and attacking other nations? Why the need to have faith in something so despicable.  Further, we lost to a bunch of home made bomb makers.  Oh wait, you're one of the guys that thinks we're "winning."  lol

WAR?  Did Iraq declare war on us?  I think you mean to say "INVASION OF A SOVEREIGN NATION WITHOUT PROVOCATION."  Did their leader get captured and tried in court?  But why the continual bloodshed?  Schools being built?  Women voting and children being vaccinated?  Yeah, that was cool for 20 minutes until the schools were destroyed, women lynched for not wearing head scarves, children dying from car bombs (but hey, they aren't getting polio, right?).  Here is what you can do with your "what about the schools.." bs  But she's from CNN so she must be lying, eh?

Osama dead or hiding under a rock?  Ok cowboy, go ahead and think how you want.  Chances are he's sitting among friends in someones home in pakistan right now watching the news, working with his people who are easily replacing the ones lost by the dozens.  You really have to get out of that bubble dude..it's shrinking rapidly.
That was a nice prepared rebuttal *cough* I mean interview (immediately after Bush and Cheny spoke).  I don't buy the "waaah it's not safe to go to a school argument".  How about the reporters that go fearlessly into war zones to cover the carnage?  Face it -The reporters are not there to cover school openings, they are there for blood. No, I don't believe her cause she is spinning for the enemy, bee.  That is one of the reasons the enemies resolve is so strong.  Hell, they can get a good shot of moral boost by watching our biased news. 

Yea.  So you're writing that every school in Iraq has been destroyed, all the women who voted are dead?  Once again.  It's a frigging war zone.  What do you think happens in a war zone?  Things take time.  That is the problem.  The average joe usa has been sitcomed.  All problems are solved within a half hour.

I will think how I want.  I really do believe that we are winning and Osama and the Taliban are on the run.  How do I know? My friend was in Afghanistan.  He told me.  Get out the bubble?  And what?  Think like you?  Hell no!  Your defeatist attitude sucks man.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
2006-12-20 13:59:36
KillingUrDoodz
Banned
+2|6763

DBBrinson1 wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

I have faith (probably more like "hope") in my country and it's army in defending itself domestically.  But bullying and attacking other nations? Why the need to have faith in something so despicable.  Further, we lost to a bunch of home made bomb makers.  Oh wait, you're one of the guys that thinks we're "winning."  lol

WAR?  Did Iraq declare war on us?  I think you mean to say "INVASION OF A SOVEREIGN NATION WITHOUT PROVOCATION."  Did their leader get captured and tried in court?  But why the continual bloodshed?  Schools being built?  Women voting and children being vaccinated?  Yeah, that was cool for 20 minutes until the schools were destroyed, women lynched for not wearing head scarves, children dying from car bombs (but hey, they aren't getting polio, right?).  Here is what you can do with your "what about the schools.." bs  But she's from CNN so she must be lying, eh?

Osama dead or hiding under a rock?  Ok cowboy, go ahead and think how you want.  Chances are he's sitting among friends in someones home in pakistan right now watching the news, working with his people who are easily replacing the ones lost by the dozens.  You really have to get out of that bubble dude..it's shrinking rapidly.
That was a nice prepared rebuttal *cough* I mean interview (immediately after Bush and Cheny spoke).  I don't buy the "waaah it's not safe to go to a school argument".  How about the reporters that go fearlessly into war zones to cover the carnage?  Face it -The reporters are not there to cover school openings, they are there for blood. No, I don't believe her cause she is spinning for the enemy, bee.  That is one of the reasons the enemies resolve is so strong.  Hell, they can get a good shot of moral boost by watching our biased news. 

Yea.  So you're writing that every school in Iraq has been destroyed, all the women who voted are dead?  Once again.  It's a frigging war zone.  What do you think happens in a war zone?  Things take time.  That is the problem.  The average joe usa has been sitcomed.  All problems are solved within a half hour.

I will think how I want.  I really do believe that we are winning and Osama and the Taliban are on the run.  How do I know? My friend was in Afghanistan.  He told me.  Get out the bubble?  And what?  Think like you?  Hell no!  Your defeatist attitude sucks man.
I met a man who told me that LaRouche would make a good president and that buildling a maglev rail across the Bering Strait is a good idea. Doesn't make it true.
2006-12-20 17:11:50
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6830|North Carolina

IG-Calibre wrote:

While Americans are fond of knocking Ireland, I was listening to a former British US ambassador on the radio the other night, who when asked which country has an effect on the US administration (not that I think Bush listens to anyone), he answered without hesitation, that after Israel next would be the Republic of Ireland - far more so than the UK in his estimination - must be something to do with the 40 million odd Americans that are of Irish descent..
Good points...  Ted Kennedy is probably one of the most Irish-influenced politicians we have.
2006-12-20 21:11:39
13rin
Member
+977|6904

IG-Calibre wrote:

While Americans are fond of knocking Ireland, I was listening to a former British US ambassador on the radio the other night, who when asked which country has an effect on the US administration (not that I think Bush listens to anyone), he answered without hesitation, that after Israel next would be the Republic of Ireland - far more so than the UK in his estimination - must be something to do with the 40 million odd Americans that are of Irish descent..
???  Dude,  I like the Irish.  I know more than a few of my friends which proudly claim their Irish ancestry.  Hell, I'm taking my wife to see "Celtic Woman" perform (b-day present).

KillingUrDoodz wrote:

I met a man who told me that LaRouche would make a good president and that buildling a maglev rail across the Bering Strait is a good idea. Doesn't make it true.
I believe a soldier who did 2 years in country, saw things that your nightmares couldn't compare to -before I believed CNN types.

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2006-12-20 21:15:01)

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
2006-12-21 03:15:27
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7266|Cologne, Germany

For once, the US are losing in Iraq. Even GWB admitted to that this week.

Winning a guerilla war / war against an armed insurgency with conventional armed forces is just not going to work out. Basically, you are asking the Marines to do police work i.e. act as counter-terrorism units.

You are using a broad sword when you should be using a scalpel (sp?).

It's a stalemate at best, and whoever said the US were winning because "we kill more of them than they kill of us" is a moron, I am sorry. You are exchanging body bags for little to no considerable gain.

You have removed Saddam, and offered the Iraqis a chance at democracy. Now it's time to leave and let the Iraqis figure out themselves if they are ready for the challenge.

Now, with regard to the topic at hand, I think a war against Iran would be difficult to realize for three reasons:

1. what would be the justification ?
2. Does the US even have resources to pull it of alone ?
3. What are the implications for the region with regard to stability ? In other words, what are the long-term strategic goals behind such an idea ?

1. With Iran being in no violation of International Laws or treaties, this would be a pre-emptive strike, with no formal justification. And even if Iran would be violating any such agreement, law or treaty, a full-scaled invasion would be totally disproportionate and uncalled for.

2. No. Look at the budget, look at the manpower. Gen. Abizaid said it himself. No way. Iran is fucking huge, 70 Million people. And although not all of them support their crazy President, they'd most likely rally behind him under such circumstances. Also, Iran would probably receive aid from other islamic nations such as Syria.
At the same time, international support for the US is at an all-time low.

3. Well, if you think Iraq is going badly, imagine the same fuck-up in Iran. And multiply it by ten. Insurgency, guerilla war, IED's, you'd have all of that all over again. Result: region will be even more de-stabilized, with growing terrorist activities. Also, the prospect of having to place an occupation force in Iran for years to come doesn't look so good, does it?

Finally, as far as I know, the american public is growing more and more war-tired. I don't think you'll have widespread support for a campaign against Iran among regular americans, who most likely don't want to see their sons, daughters, fathers and brothers come home in a body bag any longer. It has been going on for too long already, without much result.

 

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