Man, you have some serious racial issues, either way, "the working man"? Dude, mexicans work hard, I've never seen a mexican or latin BEGGING for money, EVER, they work no matter how crappy or underpaid the job is, all the homeless beggars I've seen are US citizens, so think about what you're saying, I'm not saying Americans are lazy by all means they're not, but you have to realize they take only small jobs, honestly, they're not the cause for people without a job, a lack of education is the cause, if you want to succeeed you have to study, period! If you wanta acrappy job at burger king then drop out of college or high school.Dezerteagal5 wrote:
I think they should be shot and killed on spot. But thats just my oppinion. It would sure as hell keep em outa OUR country, Where the WORKING MAN tries to raise his family!!!!!! Not get scammed by mexican pieces of shit who go home to there wife and 9 children collecting his welfare and telling his story about how he just got a free windshield....stryyker wrote:
This is mostly a discussion for California residents, since it affects us most.
Ok, today I was in a big accident with a Mexican driver. I was turning into a neighborhood in Orange, when he flew from the otherside of the street and t-boned me. He went under my truck and took my oil pan completely off. His car had the hood taken off, and the windshield broken. He gets out of the car and fucking SCREAMS at me in broken English and Spanish. I used my horrid Spanish to tell him to shut the fuck up and call the cops.
So about an hour later, we are standing with a cop on the side of the road. The cop asks for my License and registration (Its in hand). The Mexican driver doesnt have a license. He doesnt have registration.
Now because of this piddleshit, I have to A.) Spend $620 to repair his car (uninsured drivers coverage), and my insurance premium goes up by $400 this year. So basically the Mexican dude gets a free windshield and hood out of the deal, and he doesnt even belong in this country.
If you live in the Western states, where illegal immigration is an issue, do you believe that they should be allowed to get a license?
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But, one fact of illegal immigration is that they devalue trades.
Say a white painter is used to making $30.00 an hour ( in California a living wage ). Illegal aliens painters are happy with $12.00. White guy suffers.
Say a white painter is used to making $30.00 an hour ( in California a living wage ). Illegal aliens painters are happy with $12.00. White guy suffers.
touché.ATG wrote:
But, one fact of illegal immigration is that they devalue trades.
Say a white painter is used to making $30.00 an hour ( in California a living wage ). Illegal aliens painters are happy with $12.00. White guy suffers.
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I see what you're saying, but like I said, it's hypocrisy for us to speak of tightening border security without also emphasizing the prosecution of employers that break the law as well.ATG wrote:
Thats how it seems to the nonemployer. I can produce payroll records. My wets make bank. $700-1200 per week.Turquoise wrote:
Well, I find the idea of a revolution laughable as long as so many business owners (small and big) exploit illegal labor. They know what's going on, but they'll hire the cheapest people possible, and really, isn't that the goal of business in the first place? Maximize profit, minimize costs.ATG wrote:
People don't get it.
Illegal aliens get jobs with bogus papers and SS #'s.
They have taxes withheld just like everybody else ( the cash worker day labors are a tiny fraction of the illegal workforce ), but because they have a bogus #, they don't get tax returns. Hell, most of them don't even file. The government knows who they are and where they are working, they just let it happen.
The golden Gate Fenco company pissed off a politician, or doesn't do the kickback system, or did not make a campaign contribution so they are getting ass raped by the Feds.
It's just like the Feds to not enforce the border, yet selectively pick and choose companies to ruin with cosmetic enforcement gestures.
I smell a revolution cooking.
The government doesn't really care, because these business owners are a big voting bloc. They'll penalize the illegals left and right, but no one has really seriously discussed penalizing the business owners. The government only penalizes big businesses that are being too blatant about their illegal hiring practices.
I guess what I'm getting at is that I can't take the "build a wall" crowd seriously, because these same people are often the ones that hire illegals. In addition to this, as Carlos Mencia once put it, "Who's going to build the wall?" -- Mexicans... lol
It would seem that the issue was a lot easier to handle when Mexicans could get seasonal jobs here, make some money, and then go back home in the off-season. When our border was less dangerous to cross, they could better their families and only spent half of their time here. As a result, there was less of a problem with them burdening our infrastructure.
The main groups that bother me coming from Mexico are MS-13 and the various drug cartels. If we spent less time cracking down on the average illegal laborer and more time on the drug dealers and MS-13, we could solve half of the problem right there.
Building a wall will just cost too much (and they'll just dig under it). The guest worker idea is what I prefer because it gives the Mexicans less incentive to illegally enter, and with them on the books, they won't resort to using other people's SS#'s as much.
Granted, the ones who actually do commit identity theft should.... disappear, if you know what I mean.
Its not being corrected because of the reasons I outlined above.
Honestly to stop this, name ONE thing a mexican has done to YOU personally, that makes you so pissed off (The one who started this topic cannot answer since we already know), seriously, if you hate them so much tell me what they have done to YOU, then we can discuss this properly, saying "they take our jobs" is just too random.
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do you really believe they want to be citizens? They have it PERFECT now. no taxes, steal your identity, free healthcare, no insurance, etc etc etc.lowing wrote:
you really beleive that don't ya??jonsimon wrote:
Because making them citizens is a good thing?lowing wrote:
The liberals are going to insist on illegals having DL's and the right to vote....anyone wanna guess why???
Get real jonsimon, thats the dumbest thing I have heard all day.
Then why doesn't the whitey lower his rate to compete. If he can't afford to do that he should re-evaluate his living expenses and adjust according to what he brings in. Thats not an immigration issue, it's supply and demand at its finest.|=-sL-.Cujucuyo. wrote:
touché.ATG wrote:
But, one fact of illegal immigration is that they devalue trades.
Say a white painter is used to making $30.00 an hour ( in California a living wage ). Illegal aliens painters are happy with $12.00. White guy suffers.
I can't even begin to count the number of threads I've seen that exact quote in.smtt686 wrote:
do you really believe they want to be citizens? They have it PERFECT now. no taxes, steal your identity, free healthcare, no insurance, etc etc etc.lowing wrote:
you really beleive that don't ya??jonsimon wrote:
Because making them citizens is a good thing?
Get real jonsimon, thats the dumbest thing I have heard all day.
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Right, they make a couple bucks an hour, they've got it made. And they only get a few public benefits. And the employer can do whatever they want, because they're not citizens. You are incredibly stupid if you think anyone would pass up a free raise and legal rights as a citizen. Oh, and they do pay taxes, payroll and income, the biggies, because the employer takes those out of the worker's pay. So the illegals get fucked in the ass, and the only reason they put up is because its better than mexico. You're the dumbest person I've heard all day.smtt686 wrote:
do you really believe they want to be citizens? They have it PERFECT now. no taxes, steal your identity, free healthcare, no insurance, etc etc etc.lowing wrote:
you really beleive that don't ya??jonsimon wrote:
Because making them citizens is a good thing?
Get real jonsimon, thats the dumbest thing I have heard all day.
I'll do it for you. 1. Job done.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
I can't even begin to count the number of threads I've seen that exact quote in.smtt686 wrote:
do you really believe they want to be citizens? They have it PERFECT now. no taxes, steal your identity, free healthcare, no insurance, etc etc etc.lowing wrote:
you really beleive that don't ya??
Get real jonsimon, thats the dumbest thing I have heard all day.
P.S. I'm not surprised you can't count that high.
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Pretty much... I think we need to seriously change the situation to improve our border security, but I've never been under the delusion that being an illegal is easy.jonsimon wrote:
Right, they make a couple bucks an hour, they've got it made. And they only get a few public benefits. And the employer can do whatever they want, because they're not citizens. You are incredibly stupid if you think anyone would pass up a free raise and legal rights as a citizen. Oh, and they do pay taxes, payroll and income, the biggies, because the employer takes those out of the worker's pay. So the illegals get fucked in the ass, and the only reason they put up is because its better than mexico. You're the dumbest person I've heard all day.smtt686 wrote:
do you really believe they want to be citizens? They have it PERFECT now. no taxes, steal your identity, free healthcare, no insurance, etc etc etc.lowing wrote:
you really beleive that don't ya??
Get real jonsimon, thats the dumbest thing I have heard all day.
Basically, it just demonstrates the desperation of Mexico and the greed of certain American employers.
No. All illegals that are in car wrecks should be deported immediately, as they're here illegally and the cops then have them in their possesion. This reminds me of a story of a co-worker, though not about illegals.
This guy James I knew was pulling into a gas station to get a drink for his break. There was a little side street that ran directly into the gas station that had a stop sign posted. James was t-boned by some shit head in a run down beater. The kid had no lisence and no insurance (obviously) and the cops just let him go home. How do people that cause so much pain in suffering and money problems just get to go on their way? I say shoot them in the heart.
This guy James I knew was pulling into a gas station to get a drink for his break. There was a little side street that ran directly into the gas station that had a stop sign posted. James was t-boned by some shit head in a run down beater. The kid had no lisence and no insurance (obviously) and the cops just let him go home. How do people that cause so much pain in suffering and money problems just get to go on their way? I say shoot them in the heart.
you get +1 for having a truck big enough to eat another carstryyker wrote:
This is mostly a discussion for California residents, since it affects us most.
Ok, today I was in a big accident with a Mexican driver. I was turning into a neighborhood in Orange, when he flew from the otherside of the street and t-boned me. He went under my truck and took my oil pan completely off. His car had the hood taken off, and the windshield broken. He gets out of the car and fucking SCREAMS at me in broken English and Spanish. I used my horrid Spanish to tell him to shut the fuck up and call the cops.
So about an hour later, we are standing with a cop on the side of the road. The cop asks for my License and registration (Its in hand). The Mexican driver doesnt have a license. He doesnt have registration.
Now because of this piddleshit, I have to A.) Spend $620 to repair his car (uninsured drivers coverage), and my insurance premium goes up by $400 this year. So basically the Mexican dude gets a free windshield and hood out of the deal, and he doesnt even belong in this country.
If you live in the Western states, where illegal immigration is an issue, do you believe that they should be allowed to get a license?
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for those whining about wages, first off, it's not true, many get upwards of 10 an hour just to pick some goddamn peaches, often with bonuses for turning in more than x amounts of crates per day. for picking some fucking peaches dammit. that's what makes me so sick and tired of hearing people whining about welfare, go pick some fucking peaches/cotton/peanuts/put up some drywall and take a job away from a criminal. secondly, it's unskilled labor, shit you can do without even finishing high school, what you wanna pay someone here illegally your wonderful 20 dollar minimum wage to mop a floor? do it in your own business then.
and strykker's right, not only should they not be allowed the PRIVILEGE (it's not a right) of driving a car operating on tax payer funded roads, you know, those taxes they don't pay, but as was suggested have their car impounded and sold to pay for the wreck they were in, whether or not they were at fault.
and strykker's right, not only should they not be allowed the PRIVILEGE (it's not a right) of driving a car operating on tax payer funded roads, you know, those taxes they don't pay, but as was suggested have their car impounded and sold to pay for the wreck they were in, whether or not they were at fault.
Illegals should be paying into a pool for uninsured motorist. They should have a drivers permit but not a vote. They should have six months to file for worker status or face deportment and jailtime.
The government should be sacked and replaced if they can't control the border.
The government should be sacked and replaced if they can't control the border.
So an illegal immigrant with no license hit your car, and you had to pay for the damages on his car?!?!?! What kind of screwed up legal system is that? Whats the point of having a license them??? I would rather that the illegals had licenses, then at least they would have to pay for the damages they cause.
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Does California have annual vehicle inspections? We have those here in Texas, of course you see vehicles on the road evereyday that you know could not have passed an inspection. But if the vehicle is pulled over, and the inspection sticker is not up to date, the vehicle gets impounded. Also, if the guy was an illegal, why did the police not contact INS to have him taken into custody?
INS has recently been going after and fining local businesses that knowingly pay for illegal immigrants to work for them. Pretty hefty fines too.
Insurance rates here in Texas have risen dramatically in the last few years because of all the un-insured motorists. It really sucks to have to pay so much because I follow the laws and someone else doesn't. Once again Joe Taxpayer takes it in the ass.
INS has recently been going after and fining local businesses that knowingly pay for illegal immigrants to work for them. Pretty hefty fines too.
Insurance rates here in Texas have risen dramatically in the last few years because of all the un-insured motorists. It really sucks to have to pay so much because I follow the laws and someone else doesn't. Once again Joe Taxpayer takes it in the ass.
license /= insurance, he had to pay because he was the only one there with insurance
Look at what you've said. I'll even repeat it for you.stryyker wrote:
This is mostly a discussion for California residents, since it affects us most.
Ok, today I was in a big accident with a Mexican driver. I was turning into a neighborhood in Orange, when he flew from the otherside of the street and t-boned me. He went under my truck and took my oil pan completely off. His car had the hood taken off, and the windshield broken. He gets out of the car and fucking SCREAMS at me in broken English and Spanish. I used my horrid Spanish to tell him to shut the fuck up and call the cops.
So about an hour later, we are standing with a cop on the side of the road. The cop asks for my License and registration (Its in hand). The Mexican driver doesnt have a license. He doesnt have registration.
Now because of this piddleshit, I have to A.) Spend $620 to repair his car (uninsured drivers coverage), and my insurance premium goes up by $400 this year. So basically the Mexican dude gets a free windshield and hood out of the deal, and he doesnt even belong in this country.
If you live in the Western states, where illegal immigration is an issue, do you believe that they should be allowed to get a license?
How would illegals not being allowed licenses have changed what happened to you? Not a bit, since HE DOESN'T HAVE A LICENSE.stryyker wrote:
The Mexican driver doesn't have a license. He doesn't have registration.
Do you mean they should have licenses so they can have insurance? That's the only way you'd have come out better.
what he's saying is that no, they should not be allowed to have a license, and yes, something should actually be done to keep them from driving without a license in the first place rather than "we're awful sorry about that mr. lopez, let us fix that windshield for you and reward you for operating a vehicle even though you haven't proven you can actually read the road signs"
I Want A Job.ATG wrote:
You have my email and website where my # is.stryyker wrote:
hmmm.... perhapsATG wrote:
Before you complain Strryker, I've bent over backwards to find licensed, legal people.
You want a job?
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My friend's dad was killed (hit and run) last month by an illegal immigrant who was deported soon after the incident, and they realized that he was the one who did it soon afterward, but it was too late, they can't find him now. The guy is free in El Salvador now without having to face justice