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The_Shipbuilder wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

Do Christians believe that those crimes deserve the death penalty?

If not, why not?

Because we have advanced 2,000 years, even though religion is stupid, and this topic has already become to religious, I dont think anyone believes that those things deserve death.

Thanks, but again, I'm interested to hear from Christians. Yes, 2,000 years have passed, but does time dilute the direct instructions of God to Moses?

Is there a statute of limitations on God's word?

If not, why SHOULDN'T real Christians kill adulterers, gays, people who swear at their parents, or women who have sex before marriage?

Christians don't kill for those things because they are not Christian teachings.  They are Jewish teachings.  There's this thing called Sermon on the Mount which pretty much direct Christians away from revenge, killing for equality, and even forgiving.  But of course it isn't something that can be used against Christians so it's ignored and Songs of Solomon and Mosaic law is quoted constantly..ignorantly and completely out of context.

Spearhead wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

The country as a whole is becoming F'ed up....... it's not just the death penalty, there are many other things that lots of people aren't happy about.

But, to sum it up in one sentence, it's just the growing "asshole" type attitude Americans are having more and more these days.

The assholes in this country are the ones being put in prison and executed. You defend them and hate them at the same time?

lol

No, murderers are mentally unstable.  Well, most of them.  They are not necessarily "assholes".  They are just plain psychotic.  Unless that;s not what you meant.  If you advocate murdering assholes who haven't done anything, than good luck with that.

By "assholes", I mean people who believe that the USA is the best, we can kick any countries ass, the Mid-East hates us because "uh... they just hate us because of our freedom", increasing lack of respect for Muslims, increasing support by the Christian right to impose their beliefs on the rest of us, etc.

We will most likely never become a fascist state, but there are many disturbing parallels between the USA today, and Germany in the 1920's and 30's.

Good Christ...have you looked at the propaganda you are spewing?

I'm interpreting the meaning of the above that if you are Christian and American, you are more likely to believe "USA is best, we can kick any country's ass, Middle East hates us for no reason, Islamic racists, and Nazis"?  And since this is a thread about the death penalty, that too.

So, did you know that Christians are less likely to support the death penalty, war & tolerance of other cultures when compared to other members of society for the same reasons you mentioned in this thread?

Supporting something you disagree with doesn't make them a Nazi.

Pug wrote:

Good Christ...have you looked at the propaganda you are spewing?

lol, ?

Pug wrote:

I'm interpreting the meaning of the above that if you are Christian and American, you are more likely to believe "USA is best, we can kick any country's ass, Middle East hates us for no reason, Islamic racists, and Nazis"?  And since this is a thread about the death penalty, that too.

What the hell are you talking about?  I'm talking about the RADICAL right wing Christians who ARE imposing their beliefs on EVERY American in this country, and nationalist assholes such as the Bush administration who say "If you're not with us, you're against us". 

Pug wrote:

So, did you know that Christians are less likely to support the death penalty, war & tolerance of other cultures when compared to other members of society for the same reasons you mentioned in this thread?

Dude, chill, I'm not hating on Christians, I'm hating on Christians imposing their beliefs on the rest of us.  = Right wing radicals.

Pug wrote:

Supporting something you disagree with doesn't make them a Nazi.

Exactly, that's why I said we probably won't become fascist anyway.  I didn't fucking call them a Nazi, but if you look at the INCREASING level of hostility towards other countries, choosing security over freedom, and the increasing level of hypocrisy and bullshit expressed by both political parties, you CAN draw MANY disturbing PARALLELS between USA today and GERMANY in the 1930's.

Did I fucking call them Nazis?  No.  You misunderstoof what I meant, dude.  I'm not calling them Nazi's because they disagree with my own beliefs that no one cares about anyway, I'm saying there's PARALLELS in their fucking attitudes with the attitudes of other fascist states, including the Nazis before the buildup of World War 2.

Spearhead wrote:

Dude, chill, I'm not hating on Christians, I'm hating on Christians imposing their beliefs on the rest of us.  = Right wing radicals.

Wait a sec, I'm a right wing radical Christian and I'm not imposing my beliefs on anyone.  I just tell people what I personally believe and they can take it or leave it.  I do vote, though.  If that's imposing my beliefs, so be it. 

I acknowledge that a murderer is still a human being and that he might be innocent.  With a massmurderer, however, there will be plenty of evidence to convict because of multiple victims.  With advances in DNA evidence it is less likely an innocent person will be convicted.  I can see you point with a person that's committed one murder and does not have a violent past.  Perhaps we could rehabilitate the person depending on the circumstances.  Example: I come home to find a guy broke in and is trying to force himself on my wife.  I beat the hell out of him and finish him off with my shotgun.  Crime of passion, I can be rehabilitated.  Mass murderer/serial killer?  I doubt it.

Pug wrote:
Good Christ...have you looked at the propaganda you are spewing?

lol, ?

Thank you, I thought it was a nice touch.

Spearhead wrote:

What the hell are you talking about?  I'm talking about the RADICAL right wing Christians who ARE imposing their beliefs on EVERY American in this country, and nationalist assholes such as the Bush administration who say "If you're not with us, you're against us".

My misunderstanding then.  Sorry about that.  What I saw was questions from you re: Jesus says no, you say yes, so why?  And are you a hypocrit?  Followed up by a statement about how assholes are steamrolling all over your beliefs.  I don't see how US foreign policy is included in a debate about the death penalty.  Which is why the leap was made. 

The issues aren't are not intertwined - death penalty = state level issue.  Foreign policy = National issue.  So my interpretation is that by including "USA is best", Islamics should die, and Christian Right in the same sentence in a thread about the death penalty is that you believe these are one in the same.  My bad.

So I took it in the wrong way - you're saying here's one more thing that stinks about this country...there are so many of them...here's some more examples like it.

Pug wrote:

Supporting something you disagree with doesn't make them a Nazi.

Spearhead wrote:

Exactly, that's why I said we probably won't become fascist anyway.  I didn't fucking call them a Nazi, but if you look at the INCREASING level of hostility towards other countries, choosing security over freedom, and the increasing level of hypocrisy and bullshit expressed by both political parties, you CAN draw MANY disturbing PARALLELS between USA today and GERMANY in the 1930's.

Did I fucking call them Nazis?  No.  You misunderstoof what I meant, dude.  I'm not calling them Nazi's because they disagree with my own beliefs that no one cares about anyway, I'm saying there's PARALLELS in their fucking attitudes with the attitudes of other fascist states, including the Nazis before the buildup of World War 2.

So the current attitudes parallel fascism, and then citing Nazis as a good example?  Sounds like your splitting hairs.  Unfortunately, I still think that applies.

I hate the extremes right or left equally, BTW.  But I don't think it's dangerlously close to coming to fruition as you say it is.  And frankly, leaving town is stupid.  Stick around and fix the problem.  The death penalty is a tough issue - ultimate sin either equates to ultimate punishment or forgiveness.  It's not hard to imagine yourself as a member of the victim's family or in the shoes of the condemmed.  The justice system certainly has flaws, but you know, you got to have faith it works most of the time sorting it all out.  I personally believe its the right thing to do not because I go to church, but because its rationalized...its equal to the crime.

Until I see an argument that will trump the victim family's feelings that the killer shouldn't get the death penalty, I'll support the death penalty.