Jewish Plot Backfires!

2006-12-11 18:49:00

#1

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7030|PNW

Alright, now that you're done reading the inflammatory thread title:

An attempt to bully an airport into complying with a deco-request by means of legal action turns around and smacks the Jewish community in the face (whether or not they had any part in it). What do you think about lawsuits over holiday issues? Discuss.

(Edit: Though related, I don't mean for this thread to develop into another "War on Christmas" discussion. For that, see the link preceding this sentence.)

Excerpts from the Seattle Times:

As odd as it might seem, Sea-Tac Airport officials were hoping to avoid controversy when they had maintenance crews working Friday's graveyard shift dismantle nine holiday trees festooned with red ribbons and bows.

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Port of Seattle staff felt adding the menorah would have required adding symbols for other religions and cultures in the Northwest, said Terri-Ann Betancourt, the airport's spokeswoman. The holidays are the busiest season at the airport, she said, and staff didn't have time to play cultural anthropologists.

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Elazar Bogomilsky, the rabbi who last month asked that a menorah be displayed, said he was "appalled" by the Port's reaction to what he believed to be a simple request. There are public menorah lightings at the White House and cities across the Northwest, he said. Next week, Gov. Christine Gregoire will help light a menorah under the Capitol Dome in Olympia.

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With Hanukkah set to begin this coming Friday at sundown, the issue came to a head late last week. Grad [Bogomilsky's lawyer] threatened to file a federal civil-rights lawsuit and set a deadline of Friday for the Port to make a decision. That left insufficient time to consider the issue, Watson said.

More.

[Edit: Discussion point underlined.]

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2006-12-11 18:51:09

#2

InfectiousShadow: BF2S Resident Bass Player; +45|6690|Washington State, USA

sorry but this has already been posted, but a lot of people here in washington think its ridiculous by the airport to have overeacted like that

2006-12-11 18:54:38

#3

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7030|PNW

InfectiousShadow wrote:
sorry but this has already been posted, but a lot of people here in washington think its ridiculous by the airport to have overeacted like that

I started copying snippets from the article to substantiate this post before this thread was ultimately posted. I will leave it up, as it isn't a "we can't celebrate Christmas anymore" thread, like the other one is.

InfectiousShadow wrote:
yeah it doesnt matter, you've done nothing wrong and im not here to boss you around either

Of course. Thanks for letting me know though. I was about to log out.

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2006-12-11 18:57:46

#4

InfectiousShadow: BF2S Resident Bass Player; +45|6690|Washington State, USA

yeah it doesnt matter, you've done nothing wrong and im not here to boss you around either

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2006-12-11 19:05:33

#5

chittydog: less busy; +586|7094|Kubra, Damn it!

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I will leave it up, as it isn't a "we can't celebrate Christmas anymore" thread, like the other one is.

No, yours is more of a "one guy did something stupid so let's blame an entire religion for it" thread. Jewish Plot? Give me a break... Don't you see how racist (or religionist?) this type of thinking is? This guy's "plot" was probably motivated by his frustration of seeing his religion almost constantly being ignored. He didn't want anything outlandish (just a menorah), it was the fact that he demanded it and threatened to sue that made it unreasonable. However, you're just as bad since you've faulted the entire religion for the actions of one person.

2006-12-11 19:06:57

#6

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6664|North Carolina

chittydog wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I will leave it up, as it isn't a "we can't celebrate Christmas anymore" thread, like the other one is.
No, yours is more of a "one guy did something stupid so let's blame an entire religion for it" thread. Jewish Plot? Give me a break... Don't you see how racist (or religionist?) this type of thinking is? This guy's "plot" was probably motivated by his frustration of seeing his religion almost constantly being ignored. He didn't want anything outlandish (just a menorah), it was the fact that he demanded it and threatened to sue that made it unreasonable. However, you're just as bad since you've faulted the entire religion for the actions of one person.

Regardless of the intention, the rabbi was being a dick. Christmas is also a secular holiday. He should have thought of that before threatening to sue.

2006-12-11 19:08:22

#7

Fenris_GreyClaw: Real Хорошо; +826|6778|Adelaide, South Australia

chittydog wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I will leave it up, as it isn't a "we can't celebrate Christmas anymore" thread, like the other one is.
No, yours is more of a "one guy did something stupid so let's blame an entire religion for it" thread. Jewish Plot? Give me a break... Don't you see how racist (or religionist?) this type of thinking is? This guy's "plot" was probably motivated by his frustration of seeing his religion almost constantly being ignored. He didn't want anything outlandish (just a menorah), it was the fact that he demanded it and threatened to sue that made it unreasonable. However, you're just as bad since you've faulted the entire religion for the actions of one person.

Well, God faulted all of humanity by the actions of one person, so i can see where he's coming from.

2006-12-11 19:11:24

#8

mcgid1: Meh...; +129|6975|Austin, TX/San Antonio, TX

Political correctness run amok again.

2006-12-11 19:12:20

#9

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7030|PNW

chittydog wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I will leave it up, as it isn't a "we can't celebrate Christmas anymore" thread, like the other one is.
No, yours is more of a "one guy did something stupid so let's blame an entire religion for it" thread. Jewish Plot? Give me a break... Don't you see how racist (or religionist?) this type of thinking is? This guy's "plot" was probably motivated by his frustration of seeing his religion almost constantly being ignored. He didn't want anything outlandish (just a menorah), it was the fact that he demanded it and threatened to sue that made it unreasonable. However, you're just as bad since you've faulted the entire religion for the actions of one person.

No...dammit Butters, you're missing the entire sarcastic point of it:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Alright, now that you're done reading the inflammatory thread title:

An attempt to bully an airport into complying with a deco-request by means of legal action turns around and smacks the Jewish community in the face (whether or not they had any part in it).

Do I have to spell everything out for you?

Now that I'm done explaining myself, if you want to pursue your course of argument, I have but one reply:

The holidays are the busiest season at the airport, she said, and staff didn't have time to play cultural anthropologists.

(great reply a couple posts down btw)

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2006-12-11 19:15:45

#10

InfectiousShadow: BF2S Resident Bass Player; +45|6690|Washington State, USA

yeah, at least it isnt as bad as england (from what ive heard) but still i dont understand why bring up the whole holiday issue now, its been christmas for the last what well idk years and now we cant even talk about christmas or say it on the news. i was watching Q13 (unnamed should know what this is) and the person asks if she can even say christmas. oh well im just ranting now but the whole issue with the rabbi and the airport is just ridiculous. of course the jewish community is going to be delt a blow because this whole issue is an embarassment not only to the rabbi but to the jews that are going to be ridiculed for..

2006-12-11 19:17:21

#11

chittydog: less busy; +586|7094|Kubra, Damn it!

Doh!

Aw geez fellas. Don't be sore at me...

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2006-12-11 19:54:10

#12

dubbs: Member; +105|6890|Lexington, KY

chittydog wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I will leave it up, as it isn't a "we can't celebrate Christmas anymore" thread, like the other one is.
No, yours is more of a "one guy did something stupid so let's blame an entire religion for it" thread. Jewish Plot? Give me a break... Don't you see how racist (or religionist?) this type of thinking is? This guy's "plot" was probably motivated by his frustration of seeing his religion almost constantly being ignored. He didn't want anything outlandish (just a menorah), it was the fact that he demanded it and threatened to sue that made it unreasonable. However, you're just as bad since you've faulted the entire religion for the actions of one person.

Yea, an 8 foot menorah is no big thing. Also, the lighting celebration of it, that is not a big thing either is it. He wanted more then just a menorah.

2006-12-11 19:59:42

#13

DaReJa: BF2s US Server Admin; +257|6885|Los Angeles, California, US.

Why do we need any of these at an Airport?

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2006-12-11 20:04:59

#14

InfectiousShadow: BF2S Resident Bass Player; +45|6690|Washington State, USA

because they want to show the "holiday" spirit

2006-12-11 20:08:14

#15

DaReJa: BF2s US Server Admin; +257|6885|Los Angeles, California, US.

Not a Good Enough Reason.

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2006-12-11 20:48:23

#16

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6664|North Carolina

Here's what I don't get. An airport is a business. It's not a government building. So, shouldn't the owners of the building have the ability to put up any religious imagery they feel like without having to worry about some dumbass trying to sue them?

If I was walking through the airport, and I saw a big crescent or cross or menorah, I'm not gonna call up a lawyer friend and then threaten the airport to remove the item. What the hell was this rabbi thinking?

2006-12-12 04:22:16

#17

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7030|PNW

Turquoise wrote:
What the hell was this rabbi thinking?

He was thinking that an idle threat of lawsuit would be enough to bully the airport into doing what he wanted. They didn't have time to mess with it, so removed the problem entirely. Of course, this puts the rabbi in a bit of a publicity pickle, as the airport absolved itself of blame. They didn't do what he wanted when threatened and dodged the lawsuit all at the same time. Touché, don't you think?

What I think is that the threat was unnecessary in the first place, and that charges should be brought against people for wasting courts' time with these stupid sorts of lawsuits.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-12-12 04:24:20)

2006-12-12 06:59:59

#18

san4: The Mas; +311|6947|NYC, a place to live

DaReJa wrote:
Why do we need any of these at an Airport?

+1 for sensible thought.

2006-12-12 07:36:00

#19

Kung Jew: That one mod; +331|7004|Houston, TX

Lol, I gotta chime in on this one.

1st - Hannukkah, (Channukkah, Chanukka, and however other many ways we spell it) isn't a major holiday. It's been buffed and shined to compete with Christmas. Yes, it has significance. It symbolizes the re dedication of the temple of Jerusalem after it's fall to the Greek and represents the perseverance of the Jewish faith. But there are Holy/high holidays in the Jewish faith, and then there are the "other" holidays.

2nd - Who cares about friggin trees at the airport?!?!? Maybe if I was at Ben Gurion. Might be a bit out of place. But not enough to get my panties in a wad over. If I see a Star of David put up somewhere, I pass a mental "Hey, that's nice that they thought of it". If I don't, I'm secure enough in my religion and it's continued sense of survival to let it go. Why break out the political hand grenades and start chucking them about?

Just like every group in humanity, we have people who just go to far. Extremists... pfft...

KJ

2006-12-12 07:59:12

#20

Jenkinsbball: Banned; +149|6807|USA bitches!

Let Christmas be known for what is it, the time to get shit! That's all. Fucking morons.

2006-12-12 08:53:42

#21

DaReJa: BF2s US Server Admin; +257|6885|Los Angeles, California, US.

Its Nice to see, But not Something to go Overboard Over. .

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