I like FPS games ONLY on PC, RPG's and other stuff on consoles. And no I don't think computer gaming is dying.
No, it's getting younger and younger. I started playing on the PC when Command and Conquer came out, I was 6. I played single player games until CS came out, so I was already adapted to the PC. These 10 year olds who get mommy and daddy to get them a computer game just want to win, win, win, and gain points (look at my leet skills!-that is just retarted). The people declaring YOUR A HACKER! or LEAVE STUPID NOOB! are immature kids. They don't understand that "Hackers" 99% of the time are people who are actually better than them. And "Noobs" are people who just got the game and are trying to learn how to play.ShellShock.PwN wrote:
Yep, B4 when you came on to play for an hour you met new people having a good time not worrying about shit. now,noob this noob that,hack this hack that,im better then you,im in cal. Its not dying but its getting gayer by the year.
I haven't read this whole thread so i apologize if this has been brought up.
I think one major reason that PC gaming is on a decline is because the hardware in consoles is really ramping up quickly. Of course so is the price, but the physics engines used in modern PC titles are far more complex and demanding than console titles. Also, I find PC gamers to be much more demanding than console gamers. Take a look at the release titles for next-gen consoles. If you're telling me that Fight Night Round 3 is as good as the Xbox360 can offer in terms of a boxing game, I'm calling you a fool. They progress in quality as time goes on, all on the same hardware. A PC gamer requires THE BEST available game for the high end gaming machine at the time.
Consoles don't crash or run into install errors nearly a frequently as PCs (Install is mostly exclusive to the PC anyway, unless it's a download or something on your console) so they're a bit more convenient. Consoles are also better for parties. Mario Party style games are great to play when you get hammered with a bunch of old friends. Watching 1 guy play BF2 for 3 hours isn't so great. Not to mention consoles are so much more mobile.
Finally, I think parents are a lot more comfortable buying consoles for their kids these days with the rampant paranoia of child molestors and viruses in the minds of ill-informed parents. You won't be worried about your kid seeing donkey pr0n on his 360.
I still highly prefer PC gaming, but there are definitely issues that are going to need to be addressed if it hopes to keep up.
I think one major reason that PC gaming is on a decline is because the hardware in consoles is really ramping up quickly. Of course so is the price, but the physics engines used in modern PC titles are far more complex and demanding than console titles. Also, I find PC gamers to be much more demanding than console gamers. Take a look at the release titles for next-gen consoles. If you're telling me that Fight Night Round 3 is as good as the Xbox360 can offer in terms of a boxing game, I'm calling you a fool. They progress in quality as time goes on, all on the same hardware. A PC gamer requires THE BEST available game for the high end gaming machine at the time.
Consoles don't crash or run into install errors nearly a frequently as PCs (Install is mostly exclusive to the PC anyway, unless it's a download or something on your console) so they're a bit more convenient. Consoles are also better for parties. Mario Party style games are great to play when you get hammered with a bunch of old friends. Watching 1 guy play BF2 for 3 hours isn't so great. Not to mention consoles are so much more mobile.
Finally, I think parents are a lot more comfortable buying consoles for their kids these days with the rampant paranoia of child molestors and viruses in the minds of ill-informed parents. You won't be worried about your kid seeing donkey pr0n on his 360.
I still highly prefer PC gaming, but there are definitely issues that are going to need to be addressed if it hopes to keep up.
PC gaming is far superior to the console variety.
Hey, I'm a noob. It's just I stay a noob far longer than most people.
Hey, I'm a noob. It's just I stay a noob far longer than most people.
when a console comes out I get excited.
when my new PC arrives I spooge myself
when my new PC arrives I spooge myself
I think from a price and complication standpoint its hard to spread the PC gaming gospel to those who may not be able to tell 1024x786 to 1600x1200. I don't think it will die anytime soon ... but its certainly being shown its hat.
i think simply due to the variety of PC hardware, related to gaming or otherwise, puts SHIT loads of people off.
With consoles now, its wii, xbox360 and ps3. With a PC there are like hundred different graphics cards, processors, memory, etc etc.
PC Games will always be around.
wiii FUKIN suks, would rather psp. seriously.
LONG LIVE PC GAMES/GAMERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With consoles now, its wii, xbox360 and ps3. With a PC there are like hundred different graphics cards, processors, memory, etc etc.
PC Games will always be around.
wiii FUKIN suks, would rather psp. seriously.
LONG LIVE PC GAMES/GAMERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"PC gaming owns." Now that that's out of the way, allow me to propose that in time, console systems will have advanced to the point where they are indistinguishable from PC's. Unfortunately, as they keep implementing new features and add-ons and peripheral products prices will skyrocket to also make their cost indistinguishable from that of a PC. So for the time being, I plan to stick with PC's, though I might grab a Wii later next year. With my PC, I can do word processing, photo editing, 3D modeling, music/audio/video editing, web surfing, chatting, and play games that just aren't available on the console. With a console, I have limited online status and am stuck with whatever games are out for one, or those that are forward compatible with new systems.
I agree that computer users are charged exorbitant prices for bleeding-edge hardware, and that configuration can be a bitch. But if you know how to perform basic system upkeep, and how to shop for systems with the best price/performance ratio, then you can possess a tool that can do much more than play games and view DVD's...all for under twice as much as a PS3.
So PC gaming is not dying, and while its reputation is suffering under the tender mittens of certain developers, people must realize that they are developed for a wider variety of hardware than those found in console systems. That being said, you would think that titles developed for the console would be flawless and crash free...
They aren't.
Bertster: In agreement. Additionally, I've overheard alot of people at electronics superstores pointing and laughing at the PS3, saying that they might as well buy a better computer for those graphics.
Eugefunk: I don't agree with the underlined. If anything, consoles have been a souped-down PC dedicated to gaming. It has only been recently that they started competing with PC's as far as technological standards are concerned.
I agree that computer users are charged exorbitant prices for bleeding-edge hardware, and that configuration can be a bitch. But if you know how to perform basic system upkeep, and how to shop for systems with the best price/performance ratio, then you can possess a tool that can do much more than play games and view DVD's...all for under twice as much as a PS3.
So PC gaming is not dying, and while its reputation is suffering under the tender mittens of certain developers, people must realize that they are developed for a wider variety of hardware than those found in console systems. That being said, you would think that titles developed for the console would be flawless and crash free...
They aren't.
tF-voodoochild wrote:
...Game manufacturers are getting sloppier with their console games because they can release additional content or game fixing patches, things that have plagued the PC industry for years...These console systems are also becoming increasingly expensive, and are just beginning to offer upgrades to make the systems better, and possibly in the future some of these upgrades will be a requirement for purchasing new games on the console...
Essentially, if the current trend by Sony and Microsoft to produce the shiniest graphics continues I think they will just end up with a very expensive super computer and things will shift back towards traditional PC games, as by that time having a really powerful computer in the house should be increasingly common.
Bertster7 wrote:
It's easy to see the appeal of consoles to the mass market. No complicated setup, low boot times, no fiddling about with graphics settings to get an optimal gaming experience. They're still cheaper too, despite the continuing increase in price and for the value of the hardware you get, consoles work out a much better deal.
I can't see PC gaming dying out anytime soon though. PCs will still be around and a large number of games developers are most likely PC games enthusiasts, which will help.
Voodoo: In agreement.Eugefunk84 wrote:
pc games and consoles have always been in competition. What is a console but a souped up PC dedicated to gaming? Except for the input devices (controller vs keyboard/mouse), there is really not much difference between these two pieces of hardware. As long as there are people willing to pay $600-$800 for new, top of the line video cards, there will be computer gaming. It's not gonna die, at least not within our lifetimes. Consoles are just becoming more powerful, but that doesnt mean the whole market will sway.
Bertster: In agreement. Additionally, I've overheard alot of people at electronics superstores pointing and laughing at the PS3, saying that they might as well buy a better computer for those graphics.
Eugefunk: I don't agree with the underlined. If anything, consoles have been a souped-down PC dedicated to gaming. It has only been recently that they started competing with PC's as far as technological standards are concerned.
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You guys are missing why consoles are so popular. It's not who is technologically more advanced or what looks better. The console benefit is in not having to figure if the game will work right. It's a unified platform. You put the game in and it plays. That's it, no installing. While most of us in these forums are more than capable of running PC titles and troubleshooting through any minor problem that may occur. The average Mom and Pop doesn't want the hassle of doing the mundane task of "checking minimal requirement" or dealing with it. Both platforms will be around for the rest of our lifetimes.
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sooooooo trueKmarion wrote:
You need to find better servers with good admins .ShellShock.PwN wrote:
Yep, B4 when you came on to play for an hour you met new people having a good time not worrying about shit. now,noob this noob that,hack this hack that,im better then you,im in cal. Its not dying but its getting gayer by the year.
thats what i meant when i said that, ive heard ppl say 70% of gamers are hackers, i think its less then 10[TFT]Hostage wrote:
No, it's getting younger and younger. I started playing on the PC when Command and Conquer came out, I was 6. I played single player games until CS came out, so I was already adapted to the PC. These 10 year olds who get mommy and daddy to get them a computer game just want to win, win, win, and gain points (look at my leet skills!-that is just retarted). The people declaring YOUR A HACKER! or LEAVE STUPID NOOB! are immature kids. They don't understand that "Hackers" 99% of the time are people who are actually better than them. And "Noobs" are people who just got the game and are trying to learn how to play.ShellShock.PwN wrote:
Yep, B4 when you came on to play for an hour you met new people having a good time not worrying about shit. now,noob this noob that,hack this hack that,im better then you,im in cal. Its not dying but its getting gayer by the year.
That's much better.tF-voodoochild wrote:
If it will make you happy I will restate my previous post, "Neo-Geo died a slow painful death."
I loved my Neo Geo. Best console ever.
SNK initially did extremely well out of the Neo Geo, from the arcade market. The home console was exactly the same hardware in a case, so design costs were minimal. Shame none of the hardware SNK designed to replace it ever took off, mainly because it was all crap (massive load times on the Neo Geo CD, rubbish performance on their 64-bit machine) - apart from the Neo Geo Color Pocket, which was one of the best handheld consoles ever, despite the limited run of games on it.
Consoles are becoming more like PCs anyways. So, there'll be a day when the two will be the same, in a way. I've played PC games since Civ1 on my old 286. I will always own a computer for gaming and, while I do want an xbox360 and a ps3, there just aren't many console games that I like. I think I'll eventually get an xbox, probably not a ps3.
I'm sure we will be gaming on an entirely different medium in the next 10-20 years. Look how fast gaming technology has progressed over the last 20 years.Kmarion wrote:
Both platforms will be around for the rest of our lifetimes.
Maybe the Wii was the first step with interaction?... damn I hope this doesn't mean I am going to have to start exercising .
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I hope we see some sort of holodeck eventually. But, I guess they can't really exist the way they do in Star Trek.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
I'm sure we will be gaming on an entirely different medium in the next 10-20 years. Look how fast gaming technology has progressed over the last 20 years.Kmarion wrote:
Both platforms will be around for the rest of our lifetimes.
Example: You walk into the holodeck, it's a 3 story room about 300 square feet big. You load up the surface of Mars and want to run around on it. You take off, but are really only limited to the size of the room. How can you really run around an area when you're phyiscally confined to the space the holodeck was created in? I'm sure that the holodeck would move the area as you ran, making it seem like you'd be going somewhere, but realistically, you'd run into a wall, not even seeing it there.
Does that make sense?
But, yeah. I see us getting to beyond photorealistic quality within the next 10-20 years. What will there be after that? Once consoles reach the realistic stage, they'll need to do something grand to keep interested. If I knew what that was, I'd be a zillionaire, I'm sure.
I had that years ago, my Mom used to make me go outside and play..lolJenkinsbball wrote:
I hope we see some sort of holodeck eventually. But, I guess they can't really exist the way they do in Star Trek.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
I'm sure we will be gaming on an entirely different medium in the next 10-20 years. Look how fast gaming technology has progressed over the last 20 years.Kmarion wrote:
Both platforms will be around for the rest of our lifetimes.
Example: You walk into the holodeck, it's a 3 story room about 300 square feet big. You load up the surface of Mars and want to run around on it. You take off, but are really only limited to the size of the room. How can you really run around an area when you're phyiscally confined to the space the holodeck was created in? I'm sure that the holodeck would move the area as you ran, making it seem like you'd be going somewhere, but realistically, you'd run into a wall, not even seeing it there.
Does that make sense?
But, yeah. I see us getting to beyond photorealistic quality within the next 10-20 years. What will there be after that? Once consoles reach the realistic stage, they'll need to do something grand to keep interested. If I knew what that was, I'd be a zillionaire, I'm sure.
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I'm almost exclusively a FPS player, with an occassional driving and flight sim, so PC gaming is the only way for me. I can't stand console controllers, especially for FPS games. As such I'll stick to the PC. My computer is also my hobby, so it isn't just about playing games.
basically, you get more bang for your buck with consoles. you have to drop some cash to get good graphics on a pc, plain and simple. granted, pc graphics will always be a step ahead.
the majority of people are on a budget and can't keep up. it's just easier for most people to get a console. i don't see pc gaming going under, but consoles are the more affordable alternative.
the majority of people are on a budget and can't keep up. it's just easier for most people to get a console. i don't see pc gaming going under, but consoles are the more affordable alternative.
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Never heard of the eye toy? Or the gay ass PS2 microphone? Or the DS? Or the Donkey Kong Drums?Kmarion wrote:
Maybe the Wii was the first step with interaction?... damn I hope this doesn't mean I am going to have to start exercising .
There has been this interaction going on for ages, the idea isn't even remotely new all thats happened now is all the games are interactive rather than a few and the controller is the interactive unit.
well, As has been said before, consoles target the mass market. If you are worried that you cannot handle the technological challenges a PC offers, you get a console, easy as that. They are also considerably cheaper than PC's.
As a parent, I'd be much more content with getting my kid a console, for the simple reason that it's only for games, no chat rooms, pornography or anything of that filth.
consoles are also more suited for party entertainment. Back in the days, nothing could beat 8 guys on a PS2, playing Micro Machines. Or Goldeneye, 2on2, split screen. Hours of fun, all with your best friends.
You can carry them around, they are easy to set up and operate.
A PC, on the other hand, is much more than a gaming machine. Office stuff, picture editing, videos, mp3's, a PC is such a versatile tool. For those who have the money, PC's offer the latest in graphics technology.
Thus, I have always had both, and I did like to do different stuff on both platforms. FPS on the PC, arcade and party games on the console.
Accordingly, I believe, both platforms will have its place for years to come.
As a parent, I'd be much more content with getting my kid a console, for the simple reason that it's only for games, no chat rooms, pornography or anything of that filth.
consoles are also more suited for party entertainment. Back in the days, nothing could beat 8 guys on a PS2, playing Micro Machines. Or Goldeneye, 2on2, split screen. Hours of fun, all with your best friends.
You can carry them around, they are easy to set up and operate.
A PC, on the other hand, is much more than a gaming machine. Office stuff, picture editing, videos, mp3's, a PC is such a versatile tool. For those who have the money, PC's offer the latest in graphics technology.
Thus, I have always had both, and I did like to do different stuff on both platforms. FPS on the PC, arcade and party games on the console.
Accordingly, I believe, both platforms will have its place for years to come.
Well how about, "Maybe the Wii is the first successful step towards interaction."Vilham wrote:
Never heard of the eye toy? Or the gay ass PS2 microphone? Or the DS? Or the Donkey Kong Drums?Kmarion wrote:
Maybe the Wii was the first step with interaction?... damn I hope this doesn't mean I am going to have to start exercising .
There has been this interaction going on for ages, the idea isn't even remotely new all thats happened now is all the games are interactive rather than a few and the controller is the interactive unit.
http://news.com.com/Nintendo+says+Wii+i … g=nefd.top
http://www.playfuls.com/news_05470_Do_W … n_US_.html
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My biggest problem with PC games is, too many of them suck. At least with console, you can rent games first.
Consoles are easier to use; all you do is stick in a game and use the simple controller. A very gentle learning curve.
With PCs, you require a modicum of computer knowledge; how to install software, perhaps login and connect to the internet, and you have to be reasonably comfortable with a keyboard. The learning curve isn't so gentle.
So yea...basically, consoles are suited to stupid people
Incidently, the first time I ever saw an xbox in the flesh it was running linux.
With PCs, you require a modicum of computer knowledge; how to install software, perhaps login and connect to the internet, and you have to be reasonably comfortable with a keyboard. The learning curve isn't so gentle.
So yea...basically, consoles are suited to stupid people
Incidently, the first time I ever saw an xbox in the flesh it was running linux.
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I usually point to the fact that the PC is on the fore-front of innovation. Most popular genre's today were developed on the PC and still play better on the PC to this day.