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2006-12-08 13:41:28
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6823|UK

Christmas bonous FTW! (well kind of, projected 6month build till it's finished the way I want it, and I am doing without the uber monitor for a while, it shall be hooked up to the LCD in the living room till I get some funds back).

Nvidia 768Mb XFX 8800GTX

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductI … tID=495286


Someone persuade me which one:

Intel Core 2 Extreme Quad-Core QX6700

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductI … tID=491970

OR

Intel Core 2 Duo Extreme X6800

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductI … tID=430635

(Who wants one of my copies of splintercell, I DONT EVEN LIKE THT DAM GAME!)


Dual (RAID 0) 150 Gb Western Digital WD1500AHFD Raptor X, SATA150, 10000rpm

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductI … tID=346043

+ 500 Gb Western Digital 7,200RPM Storage = 800GB HD

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductI … tID=364502


Silverstone TJ09B-W (Black) TEMJIN Aluminum Supertower Case inc Side Window

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductI … tID=487766


Dual 2Gb (2X1Gb) Corsair TwinX DDR2 XMS2, PC8500 (1066)

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductI … tID=402850


850W Enermax EGA850EWL Galaxy Modular

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductI … tID=457918


EVGA 122-CK-NF68 NF680i SLI

http://scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo. … tID=491417


Think that retails somewhere in the region of £2300

Canibalising an old Dimension 4600 for cooler's/temporary HD and DVD drives.  Hope later on to impliment water cooling, plus the red neon and eventually coupling to a Dell Ultrasharp 24'' I am hoping this thing will be the known as THE BEAST!

(three mother fuckin copies of splintercell :S!)

Could you do any better?

Edit:  Added PSU (reduced from 1000W to 850W)
        Added Motherboard


Martyn

Last edited by Bell (2006-12-09 05:23:51)

2006-12-08 13:44:23
Jussimies
Finnish commander whore
+76|6858|Finland
I would prefer x6800 but if you get watercooling, MAYBE if you overclock qx6700 it would be better. Nice system, just get 4gb of ram.
2006-12-08 13:52:43
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6823|UK

Agreed, you may notice I put in

'Dual 2Gb (2X1Gb) Corsair TwinX DDR2 XMS2, PC8500 (1066)'

Therefor it is 4GB though me thinks to save some money I will only get 2GB for the time being then once some extra cash free's up I will put in the rest.

Forgot about PSU and motherboard but that neatly brings me onto another thing...  What mobo do I go for, and don't have a clue about motherboards and wouldnt no a good one from a bad if I fell over it, so any suggestion's there would be appreciated gentleman...  Was told 1000W supply would be needed for such a system, do you lot think that to, seems a bit much :S

Martyn
2006-12-08 13:52:58
majorassult
I <3 ak101
+307|6937|under there hayousaidunderwear
Duel core.

edit: Yeah you should go for something around 1,000 watts.

Last edited by majorassult (2006-12-08 13:53:49)

2006-12-08 14:32:13
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6875|132 and Bush

Waste of money to get the quad. The quad is much more but the 6800 is faster. When quad software comes out it may be worth it but that won't be for some time now. Dualies are just now being utlized. By the time the programers start utilizing four cores the price will be much cheaper. Most boards that support c2d's will also support quads so if you want to upgrade when the prices come down it's no prob.

Des'Ja vu ?

Kmarion wrote:

Right on... You would be paying 700 more dollars for a slower processor while you wait for the software developers to utilize it. (They are just begging to utilize duals). You can expect the quads to be cheaper when you can acutally use all the cores. Most boards that support c2d's will support intel quads.. me thinks.
..lol

Btw the way that Silverstone case is awesome!(It's a biggie) I have a buddy with one.
http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-tj09.htm

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-12-08 14:39:28)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-12-08 14:43:03
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6823|UK

$700:S?  I thought there was only £90 of a difference ($175ish), though I see what you guy's are saying, I was reading something the other day that basically put it that the 6800 was the better chip to have.

Agreed on the case   need plenty space for expanidbility and I thought it was the better looking of all the higher end cases without lookin bloody awful/vulgar.  So I choose it over this

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductI … tID=480661

I just ordered the two raptor's and case   (got myself a bit of a deal)

MArtyn
2006-12-08 14:45:31
[TUF]Whiskey_Oktober
mmmm...Toasty!
+91|6996|Oregon
i know you can get corsair dominator ram for around the same price as what you have posted in the US...not sure about the UK though.

imo, get the dual core. quad is a waste of $$.

[delete][/delete]
EDIT: i guess the case you got is good.

Last edited by [TUF]Whiskey_Oktober (2006-12-08 14:46:43)

2006-12-08 14:52:01
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6823|UK

Some nice red neon may help it's overall beastly nature

Any advice on motherboard's people I could get a nice deal on that tonight to sooo help meeeeeee!

Martyn
2006-12-08 15:05:21
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6875|132 and Bush

Bell wrote:

$700:S?  I thought there was only £90 of a difference ($175ish), though I see what you guy's are saying, I was reading something the other day that basically put it that the 6800 was the better chip to have.

Agreed on the case   need plenty space for expanidbility and I thought it was the better looking of all the higher end cases without lookin bloody awful/vulgar.  So I choose it over this

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductI … tID=480661

I just ordered the two raptor's and case   (got myself a bit of a deal)

MArtyn
Damn prices have come down..
X6800 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6819115001


QX6700
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6819115011

Still that's a 400 (USD) difference to pay for something that will be slower for quite some time..
The 6800 is definitely the gamers chip right now.



Edit:Wheres the mobo?

Here is my suggestion
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.h … VzaWFzdA==

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-12-08 15:09:29)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-12-08 15:10:30
Dizik
It tastes like burning
+23|7089|Moore, OK
In short, I'd do the following:
  • Grab a Core 2 Duo E6600 (better "bang for your buck") and overclock it. You can easily overclock it to 3.0GHz on air alone.
  • Slap that onto your motherboard of choice. I recommend a 965 chipset, such as the ASUS P5B series of mobos or the NVIDIA 680i specced motherboards if you plan on running SLI..
  • Do not buy an SLI board if you are not going to immediately run SLI.
  • Throw in a DirectX 9 card, such as a 7900 series card, as there's no advantage to running a DirectX 10 card at the moment (i.e. 8800 series card). I understand that people want to have the latest and the greatest, but to put it bluntly, it's stupid at this point. There are no games to utilize DirectX 10, and won't until Vista ships. Then, you have to wait for games to slowly come out, and chances are that won't start to happen until mid to late 2007. By then, the 8800 series card that you just bought will be on the verge of obsolescence. Cards will then will be coming out on smaller dies, running on less power, more affordable, etc. etc. Not to mention, up until recently, NVIDIA's driver support for the 8800s has been a joke.
  • 2GB of the memory of your choice. Paying extra money for lower latencies on memory isn't always wise.
  • I'd recommend a PSU that's less than 1KW. A 700W PSU will be more than adequate, and will be a lot cheaper.
Follow my suggestions, and you'll have a more than beefy machine, and a for a lot less cash than you originally planned on spending.
2006-12-08 15:44:56
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6823|UK

Well wouldnt that mean I need to have the cost of a 7900, THEN replace it with whatever is next.  Let's assume this time next year nvidia have the 9 series, it will be as much as a current flagship 8800GTX is now so that's £450+ whatever you can get a 7900 for (150-200?)  £650, as appose to a £400 GTX now and another for SLI when the GTX begins to strugle, by which time they should be MUCH cheaper.  Then again I guess it would end up costing the same, but thankfully in this build thanks to many factor's price isnt really an issue for a change

Martyn
2006-12-08 19:38:55
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6875|132 and Bush

Dizik wrote:

In short, I'd do the following:
  • Grab a Core 2 Duo E6600 (better "bang for your buck") and overclock it. You can easily overclock it to 3.0GHz on air alone.
  • Slap that onto your motherboard of choice. I recommend a 965 chipset, such as the ASUS P5B series of mobos or the NVIDIA 680i specced motherboards if you plan on running SLI..
  • Do not buy an SLI board if you are not going to immediately run SLI.
  • Throw in a DirectX 9 card, such as a 7900 series card, as there's no advantage to running a DirectX 10 card at the moment (i.e. 8800 series card). I understand that people want to have the latest and the greatest, but to put it bluntly, it's stupid at this point. There are no games to utilize DirectX 10, and won't until Vista ships. Then, you have to wait for games to slowly come out, and chances are that won't start to happen until mid to late 2007. By then, the 8800 series card that you just bought will be on the verge of obsolescence. Cards will then will be coming out on smaller dies, running on less power, more affordable, etc. etc. Not to mention, up until recently, NVIDIA's driver support for the 8800s has been a joke.
  • 2GB of the memory of your choice. Paying extra money for lower latencies on memory isn't always wise.
  • I'd recommend a PSU that's less than 1KW. A 700W PSU will be more than adequate, and will be a lot cheaper.
Follow my suggestions, and you'll have a more than beefy machine, and a for a lot less cash than you originally planned on spending.
There are other reasons to go with an 8 series other than DX0 compliant. The main reason aside from DX10  being unified shaders. I suggest you look into the performance difference with the 8 over the 7 series as well. With Raid your performance is noticeable in almost every aspect of your computing experience even if it's not as much in gaming. We are talking boot times as well as nearly everything else you do when reading from your Hd's. If you would like to compare average read times with Raid 0 verse non Raid I'll be happy to.

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-12-08 20:08:52)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-12-08 20:22:13
GR34
Member
+215|6819|ALBERTA> CANADA
wow i guess 4gb is the new 2GB 4 gaming eh???
2006-12-08 20:26:39
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6875|132 and Bush

GR34 wrote:

wow i guess 4gb is the new 2GB 4 gaming eh???
If you are building for the future yes. If you plan on running Vista, defiantly.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-12-08 20:47:21
BeerzGod
Hooray Beer!
+94|6844|United States
-Quad-Core is a massive waste of money. Will be quite a long time before that technology is utilized. The only people buying those chips are the rich kids who think the newest, most expensive parts are the best.

-The Extreme Core 2 Duo is also a big waste of money. Get the 2.6 version and you can overclock it around 3.4 on air cooling and even higher if you get water cooling like you mentioned. (Which defeats the need to spend twice as much as the Extreme edition)

-There's no real need to get an 8800 graphics card because, again, its not being utilized to its fullest extent.  (Plus the drivers blow ass as it has been mentioned already) So if you are truly planning on spending that much on a graphics card then wait until a few months after Vista has been released... this will give some time for drivers/bugs to be worked out. Plus there will be better cards than the 8800 by then. Spend half the money and get a 7900 or 7950. That's all you need for now.

-Raptor harddrives are also a waste of money. RAID configurations DO NOT make games smoother or run faster. All they do is load programs, games, and other shit a little faster. I had two 40GB Raptors in a RAID configuration but recently changed to 2x250GB 16MB Seagate Barracuda's. They are half the cost and run faster from what I've experienced so far. Is a couple hundred dollars more really worth a loading time of a couple seconds faster than what you previously had?

-2GB is more than enough for any game out there right now. Stick with the ram you chose. It's good shit.

-1000W power supply is also an overkill. Anything between 650W and 750W is more than enough to power whatever you want to include. I would personally recommend the Thermaltake Toughpower 750W. I've used one for ages now without any problem... plus you can't beat 4 independent 12v rails.

-For a motherboard I would go with the new one that ASUS just released... I forget the name of it, but it's the most expensive one they have. Read great reviews on it. Plus it's amped and ready for upgrades way down the road.

Just remember that you don't have to buy the most expensive or top of the line components to build a power-house system. It's all about matching components with what technology is being utilized, and what will be available in the near future. Either way, you'll end up with a badass system.
2006-12-08 21:02:46
Gunner[EW]
Member
+3|6626
Talk about overkill on the HDD.
2006-12-08 21:56:27
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6875|132 and Bush

BeerzGod wrote:

-Quad-Core is a massive waste of money. Will be quite a long time before that technology is utilized. The only people buying those chips are the rich kids who think the newest, most expensive parts are the best.

-The Extreme Core 2 Duo is also a big waste of money. Get the 2.6 version and you can overclock it around 3.4 on air cooling and even higher if you get water cooling like you mentioned. (Which defeats the need to spend twice as much as the Extreme edition)
Extreme comes with an unlocked multiplier none of the others do, that's why extreme are being oc'ed over 5 ghz and running stable.

As far as raid, simply put they read from the hard drive much faster. No it will not benefit in every situation but it does in some and since he said money wasn't a problem he should go for it.
Have you ever tried http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public/in … est=HdTach to bench your hard drives?

Generally you don't get scores like this in non Raid.
https://tampastorm.smugmug.com/photos/101706055-L.jpg

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-12-08 22:01:47)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-12-09 03:25:27
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6823|UK

Gunner[EW] wrote:

Talk about overkill on the HDD.
Agreed but considering I have went through my current machines 160GB  and a 320GB external which crashed and lost the lot, then adding newer stuff, it works out that I have used roughly in two year's about 550GB (use it for work not just porno mmmmk ).  Raptor's go in first, the larger slower drive will go in when I feel it is needed.

BeerzGod wrote:

-1000W power supply is also an overkill. Anything between 650W and 750W is more than enough to power whatever you want to include. I would personally recommend the Thermaltake Toughpower 750W. I've used one for ages now without any problem... plus you can't beat 4 independent 12v rails.
Soooo perhaps this?

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductI … tID=457918

850W Enermax EGA850EWL Galaxy Modular

Just the 850W version of the 1000W if any of you can't be bothered looking, again I am getting a nice discount on some of the part's provided there from specific manufacturer's (in this case 20% off).

Martyn

Last edited by Bell (2006-12-09 03:33:29)

 

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