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How much longer will the US maintain a large-scale presence in Iraq?

6 months	6%	6% - 3
One year	18%	18% - 9
18 months	10%	10% - 5
Two years	22%	22% - 11
30 months (2.5)	4%	4% - 2
Three years	4%	4% - 2
Four years	2%	2% - 1
More than four years	16%	16% - 8
Other	16%	16% - 8
Total: 49

2006-12-07 22:52:31

Spearhead: Gulf coast redneck hippy; +731|6948|Tampa Bay Florida

http://www.usip.org/isg/ - Iraq study group website

In light of recent events.... how longer do you think we Americans will hold out in Iraq? There's been a lot of discussions about what will happen if/when we do....

So, what do you think?

(On a related note, the book "State of Denial" by Bob Woodward is quite a good read... check it out if you're interested in this stuff)

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-12-07 23:15:57)

2006-12-07 22:53:46

TeamZephyr: Maintaining My Rage Since 1975; +124|6788|Hillside, Melbourne, Australia

Until the job is done

2006-12-07 22:54:36

usmarine2007: Banned; +374|6626|Columbus, Ohio

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061208/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq

Since they will never agree, who knows. 4 years maybe.

2006-12-07 22:56:29

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6933|Canberra, AUS

2 years.

On a similar note, I just started 'Take Back the Right' by Philip Gold, who (apparently) is a leading 'conservative'. Good read.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2006-12-07 23:06:45

<BoTM>J_Aero: Qualified Expert; +62|6724|Melbourne - Home of Football

Whether it will be "large scale" as you defined it or not is highly questionable. Political opinion in the US dictates that it will be popular to bring back as many troops as soon as possible, and therefore we're definitely on the far side of the bell curve relating to troop numbers.

Unfortunately for those who would like to see US troops out of Iraq in the short term, I think large-scale (around 10,000) troops will continue in Iraq for at least a decade, just have a look at the size of the embassy being built as evidence of commitment. The United States has a history of leaving significant bases, and therefore troop numbers, in countries they have occupied: Germany, Japan. It would be naive to expect anything different in Iraq. You have to remember that having such a base, though unpopular with many in the Muslim world, gives them combat ability to stage into Iran, Syria etc. Much preferable to having to move from a carrier in the gulf, even with the additional secuirty threat.

2006-12-07 23:12:30

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7030|PNW

Spearhead wrote:
http://www.usip.org/isg/ - Iraq study group website

In light of recent events.... how longer do you think we Americans can hold out in Iraq? There's been a lot of discussions about what will happen if/when we do....

So, what do you think?

(On a related note, the book "State of Denial" by Bob Woodward is quite a good read... check it out if you're interested in this stuff)

Can? Indefinitely. Will would be the better term.

As for Woodward's books, 'Forrest Gump' has more direction.

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2006-12-07 23:24:31

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6820

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Can? Indefinitely.

Uh...........doubtful. In wars of attrition, the side relying on greater economic resources tends to lose out.

2006-12-08 01:48:47

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6814

THey could probably come home now cos I swear I saw George Bush on an aircraft carrier with a massive 'Mission Accomplished' banner in the background a couple of years ago....

https://www.phillyist.com/attachments/philly_nicole/mission-accomplished.jpg

2006-12-08 01:57:44

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6820

Yay! I'm the only 3 year vote! I'm number 1!

2006-12-08 02:16:03

Fen321: Member; +54|6756|Singularity

CameronPoe wrote:
THey could probably come home now cos I swear I saw George Bush on an aircraft carrier with a massive 'Mission Accomplished' banner in the background a couple of years ago....

http://www.phillyist.com/attachments/ph … lished.jpg

hahah *sigh*

Sad, but true

2006-12-08 12:24:28

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6704|The Land of Scott Walker

Spark wrote:
2 years.

On a similar note, I just started 'Take Back the Right' by Philip Gold, who (apparently) is a leading 'conservative'. Good read.

He is not a leading conservative. More like ex-conservative.

2006-12-08 12:32:52

fadedsteve: GOP Sympathizer; +266|6749|Menlo Park, CA

Carpet bomb Baghdad. . . . rebuild. . . . mission accomplished!

2006-12-08 12:34:53

Masques: Black Panzer Party; +184|6981|Eastern PA

fadedsteve wrote:
Carpet bomb Baghdad. . . . rebuild. . . . mission accomplished!

Tried it and failed. "Shock and Awe" anyone?

2006-12-08 13:16:19

IG-Calibre: comhalta; +226|7001|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

Took the Brits 35 years to get out of N.Ireland and they only came in for a few months originally... your country is gonna be stuck in the quagmire that is the middle east for more than a few years. took the Russians 15 years to get out of Afghanistan.. the Middle East trouble is only starting..

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2006-12-08 13:23:45

topthrill05: Member; +125|6836|Rochester NY USA

Nuke!!!!!!!!!11111111111

2006-12-08 13:26:39

Fancy_Pollux: Connoisseur of Fine Wine; +1,306|6905

Masques wrote:
fadedsteve wrote:
Carpet bomb Baghdad. . . . rebuild. . . . mission accomplished!
Tried it and failed. "Shock and Awe" anyone?

....

"Shock and Awe" didn't fail. The military opted to go with a combined troop invasion and missile attack instead of just an all out missile attack with the troop invasion coming second. If we tried to flatten Baghdad, we would have.

2006-12-08 13:36:29

heggs: Spamalamadingdong; +581|6647|New York

other - no idea whatsoever.

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2006-12-08 13:38:36

Ottomania: Troll has returned.; +62|6780|Istanbul-Turkey

1 day.

2006-12-08 14:29:56

jonsimon: Member; +224|6754

Depends how long it takes us to set up another puppet government. And even then we will never withdraw permenantly, we will have troops stationed in Iraq and Afganhistan for a long time now.

2006-12-08 15:13:06

R0lyP0ly: Member; +161|6912|USA

iraqi/american intermin government reports Iraqis should be able to handle their own policing/law enforcement by June 2007. I don't think large scale offensive troops will be kept until the next Presidential election; Democrats seen keen on removing US forces. I hope 'we' stay there until the job is done. Done is decided by the military, not some fatass bureaucrat sitting safely in a desk a thousand miles away, nor by some nosy, retarded journalist off to save the world from the "terrible despot Bush."

2006-12-08 17:57:16

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7030|PNW

Bubbalo wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Can? Indefinitely.
Uh...........doubtful. In wars of attrition, the side relying on greater economic resources tends to lose out.

Um, no. The US can occupy a country indefinitely until our military is broken outright. The more likely scenario is still whether or not we will stay.

2006-12-08 19:23:05

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6820

But eventually you military will be broken outright. It may take a long time, but ti will happen eventually.

2006-12-08 19:24:17

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6820

Fancy_Pollux wrote:
If we tried to flatten Baghdad, we would have.

Flattening cities is actually surprisingly hard.

2006-12-08 19:28:52

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6664|North Carolina

Bubbalo wrote:
Fancy_Pollux wrote:
If we tried to flatten Baghdad, we would have.
Flattening cities is actually surprisingly hard.

Not if you use a nuke. Of course, I'm not suggesting we do that.

Whatever the case, I voted 30 months, because I think we will withdraw somewhere between 2 and 3 years from now. Bush will have to decide whether he wants to withdraw before the next election or let the next president do it. It all depends on how they can spin things....

The situation could become something where withdrawal could be spun to suggest that the mission has been accomplished, or... it could be spun to suggest that staying in Iraq is better, in order to finish the job.

Either way, it's all about propaganda and spin. If it is done successfully, you can convince people of just about anything.

2006-12-08 20:02:12

Deadmonkiefart: Floccinaucinihilipilificator; +177|6965

Your thread title was wayyyy too long

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