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Do you believe that Oswald Was the only gunman that killed JFK?

Yes, he was the only one.30%30% - 51
No, it goes much deeper.69%69% - 114
Total: 165
2006-12-03 17:32:59
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6859|132 and Bush

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

jonsimon wrote:


Whackjobs dont pick specific targets and plan months in advance. Whackjobs shoot up schools.
Educated whack jobs do. I suggest you investigate the lethal mind of a person who is extremely intelligent with a defect. Are you going to tell me Charles Manson wasn't a whack job who carefully planned out his goals?
Manson let Drugs rule his decisions. In the end they fried his brain beyond repair or rational thinking. In the end, he was just running on auto pilot and was letting the other whakos rule the nuthouse.
My point is whack jobs are fully capable of premeditated carefully thought out malicious plans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffery_dahmer
I'm sure I can lay out plenty more if need be.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-12-03 17:45:54
Dizik
It tastes like burning
+23|7073|Moore, OK

Kmarion wrote:

My point is whack jobs are fully capable of premeditated carefully thought out malicious plans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffery_dahmer
I'm sure I can lay out plenty more if need be.
Add Ted Bundy to that list while you're at it.
2006-12-03 17:54:22
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6859|132 and Bush

Dizik wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

My point is whack jobs are fully capable of premeditated carefully thought out malicious plans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffery_dahmer
I'm sure I can lay out plenty more if need be.
Add Ted Bundy to that list while you're at it.
True dat
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-12-04 05:44:39
Jenkinsbball
Banned
+149|6806|USA bitches!
Yes, he was the only shooter. I watched a documentry on it and it clearly shows that he was the only one that could've done it. Well, the person up in the building was the only one that could do it. If there were other motives and people involved behind the scene... we'll never know.
2006-12-04 05:52:51
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6839|SE London

RAIMIUS wrote:

I saw a program by a few Austrailians (IIRC) who recreated the "magic bullet" shot using the same distances, angles, and using materials to simulate tissue resistance.  They were able to recreate the injuries of JFK and the governor nearly to the millimeter.

Whether or not Oswald was under someone's direction or not, he was the shooter.

I doubt that it was some massive comspiracy, because people just don't keep secrets that well.
Yeah, I saw that experiment on a documentary in the UK about it. There were many other experiments to back it up too. It was quite interesting. They went through every little detail and systemactically disproved all the second shooter nonsense.
2006-12-04 15:39:01
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6828|Portland, OR, USA

Bertster7 wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

I saw a program by a few Austrailians (IIRC) who recreated the "magic bullet" shot using the same distances, angles, and using materials to simulate tissue resistance.  They were able to recreate the injuries of JFK and the governor nearly to the millimeter.

Whether or not Oswald was under someone's direction or not, he was the shooter.

I doubt that it was some massive comspiracy, because people just don't keep secrets that well.
Yeah, I saw that experiment on a documentary in the UK about it. There were many other experiments to back it up too. It was quite interesting. They went through every little detail and systemactically disproved all the second shooter nonsense.
dont believe everything you hear on the TV kids.

Next time you shoot 3-4 shots in under 5.6 seconds from a gun that doesn't really even shoot properly, and have one shot cause 6-7 wounds and sustain no physical damage tell me.  I'll give you a cookie.

btw the US government tried to recreate the shot over 1300 times.  They stopped at that because they couldn't get it anywhere close.  1300 shots... thats a lot... but good luck
2006-12-04 15:48:12
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7015|Argentina
NEWMAN: June 14, 1987.... Mets Phillies. We're enjoying a beautiful afternoon in the right field stands when a crucial Hernandez error to a five run Phillies ninth. Cost the Mets the game.

KRAMER: Our day was ruined. There was a lot of people, you know, they were waiting by the player's parking lot. Now we're coming down the ramp.   Newman was in front of me. Keith was coming toward us, as he passes Newman turns and says, " Nice game pretty boy.". Keith continued past us up the ramp.

NEWMAN: A second later, something happened that changed us in a deep and profound way front that day forward.

ELAINE: What was it?

KRAMER: He spit on us.... and I screamed out, "I'm hit!"

NEWMAN: Then I turned and the spit ricochet of him and it hit me.

ELAINE: Wow! What a story.

JERRY: Unfortunately the immutable laws of physics contradict the whole premise of your account. Allow me to reconstruct this if I may for Miss Benes as I've heard this story a number of times.

JERRY: Newman, Kramer, if you'll indulge me. According to your story Keith passes you and starts walking up the ramp then you say you were struck on the right temple. The spit then proceeds to ricochet off the temple
striking Newman between the third and forth rib. The spit then cam off the rib turned and hit Newman in the right wrist causing him to drop his baseball cap. The spit then splashed off the wrist, Pauses In mid air
mind you- makes a left turn and lands on Newman's left thigh. That is one magic luggie.

NEWMAN: Well that's the way it happened.

JERRY: What happened to your head when you got hit?

KRAMER: Well. uh, well my head went back and to the left

JERRY: Again

KRAMER: Back and to the left

JERRY: Back and to the left Back and to the left

ELAINE: So, what are you saying?

JERRY: I am saying that the spit could not have come from behind ... that there had to have been a second spitter behind the bushes on the gravelly road. If the spitter was behind you as you claimed that would have caused your head to pitch forward.

ELAINE: So the spit could have only come from the front and to the right.

JERRY: But that is not what they would have you believe.

NEWMAN: I'm leavin'. Jerry's a nut. [Exits]

KRAMER: Wait, wait, [Exits]

JERRY: The sad thing is we may never know the real truth.
2006-12-04 16:29:15
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6859|132 and Bush

Lets conspire to kill a president and execute it in the middle of parade in front of millions..  yea, that would be really sneaky.

http://www.oe-hq.com/2/jfk/jk.html
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-12-04 16:40:43
SysTray
"Generous mods" < Thats right Systray !
+180|7079|Delaware

Kmarion wrote:

Lets conspire to kill a president and execute it in the middle of parade in front of millions..  yea, that would be really sneaky.

http://www.oe-hq.com/2/jfk/jk.html
Too bad that guy fails to acknowledge the countless doctors that admit there could have been more than 3 shots fired due to the number of entrances and bullet markings.

Lee Harvey Oswald =/= JFK's killer.
2006-12-04 16:43:05
liquix
Member
+51|6712|Peoples Republic of Portland
a WMD got him. Seriously, I believe that it things go deeper because they always do. Just like we were fooled because there were "wmd's" in Iraq, even when the UN weapons inspector lead said there weren't. Too bad.
2006-12-04 16:44:43
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6859|132 and Bush

SysTray wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Lets conspire to kill a president and execute it in the middle of parade in front of millions..  yea, that would be really sneaky.

http://www.oe-hq.com/2/jfk/jk.html
Too bad that guy fails to acknowledge the countless doctors that admit there could have been more than 3 shots fired due to the number of entrances and bullet markings.

Lee Harvey Oswald =/= JFK's killer.
Evidence please, that's the way a debate works.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-12-04 16:47:30
SysTray
"Generous mods" < Thats right Systray !
+180|7079|Delaware

Kmarion wrote:

SysTray wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Lets conspire to kill a president and execute it in the middle of parade in front of millions..  yea, that would be really sneaky.

http://www.oe-hq.com/2/jfk/jk.html
Too bad that guy fails to acknowledge the countless doctors that admit there could have been more than 3 shots fired due to the number of entrances and bullet markings.

Lee Harvey Oswald =/= JFK's killer.
Evidence please, that's the way a debate works.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … &hl=en

And also the Motion Picture "JFK".

The documentary cites the sources as well and actually has the film footage of the doctors saying the stuff.
2006-12-04 16:53:42
Executiator
Member
+69|6679

Kmarion wrote:

Lets conspire to kill a president and execute it in the middle of parade in front of millions..  yea, that would be really sneaky.

http://www.oe-hq.com/2/jfk/jk.html
It's actually 4.2 secons from when he says the first fire to the last fire.. But still plenty of time to kill the president. I love evidential experiments.
2006-12-04 16:54:35
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6859|132 and Bush

SysTray wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

SysTray wrote:

Too bad that guy fails to acknowledge the countless doctors that admit there could have been more than 3 shots fired due to the number of entrances and bullet markings.

Lee Harvey Oswald =/= JFK's killer.
Evidence please, that's the way a debate works.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … &hl=en

And also the Motion Picture "JFK".

The documentary cites the sources as well and actually has the film footage of the doctors saying the stuff.
Damn, I wanted to hear who these doctors were not an hour and a half movie.
Hollywood is not really my first choice to find credible evidence although I did post this http://youtube.com/watch?v=xa1Joh_PZ-w ..lol.

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-12-04 16:55:13)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-12-04 17:01:20
SysTray
"Generous mods" < Thats right Systray !
+180|7079|Delaware

Kmarion wrote:

SysTray wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Evidence please, that's the way a debate works.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … &hl=en

And also the Motion Picture "JFK".

The documentary cites the sources as well and actually has the film footage of the doctors saying the stuff.
Damn, I wanted to hear who these doctors were not an hour and a half movie.
Hollywood is not really my first choice to find credible evidence although I did post this http://youtube.com/watch?v=xa1Joh_PZ-w ..lol.
Well the Hollywood one was more for effect. Although some of the stuff mentioned is evidential and it COULD be backed, it's not because it is Hollywood.

However, the google video has more backing and more evidence with citing than I've ever seen. If nothing else you could use it to prove that Oswald didn't kill him...if not use it (the evidence shown) to prove who else was involved, etc.
2006-12-04 17:09:12
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6859|132 and Bush

SysTray wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

SysTray wrote:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2928756561478705121&q=jfk&hl=en

And also the Motion Picture "JFK".

The documentary cites the sources as well and actually has the film footage of the doctors saying the stuff.
Damn, I wanted to hear who these doctors were not an hour and a half movie.
Hollywood is not really my first choice to find credible evidence although I did post this http://youtube.com/watch?v=xa1Joh_PZ-w ..lol.
Well the Hollywood one was more for effect. Although some of the stuff mentioned is evidential and it COULD be backed, it's not because it is Hollywood.

However, the google video has more backing and more evidence with citing than I've ever seen. If nothing else you could use it to prove that Oswald didn't kill him...if not use it (the evidence shown) to prove who else was involved, etc.
I will watch it. I have an open mind. If you look at the title of this poll you can obviously tell the person who created it didn't. It is implied that if you don't agree with him you must be ignorant. He has much to learn when trying to promote a healthy debate.

The Premier Guide to Debate wrote:

By putting your question in an opinionated way, you've set the tone for the initial debate
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-12-04 17:12:41
PvtStPoK
paintball > bf2
+48|6772|montreal, quebec

the topic is labelled "ignorance test" and you ask us a question that we would might never care for a second. i could make a poll asking : who kidnapped pierre laporte? so i can tell you that you're an ignorant. c'mon, it says before you post to keep a head high, it doesnt ask you to have it in the clouds. remember, we arent ALL from USA, we dont know all your history.
2006-12-04 17:13:52
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6859|132 and Bush

PvtStPoK wrote:

the topic is labelled "ignorance test" and you ask us a question that we would might never care for a second. i could make a poll asking : who kidnapped pierre laporte? so i can tell you that you're an ignorant. c'mon, it says before you post to keep a head high, it doesnt ask you to have it in the clouds. remember, we arent ALL from USA, we dont know all your history.
Yea, kinda what I said right above ya..
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-12-04 18:05:04
Stealth42o
She looked 18 to me officer
+175|6929
Christ you watch an Oliver Stone film and think it's fact.

/sigh
2006-12-04 18:15:30
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6828|Portland, OR, USA

PvtStPoK wrote:

the topic is labelled "ignorance test" and you ask us a question that we would might never care for a second. i could make a poll asking : who kidnapped pierre laporte? so i can tell you that you're an ignorant. c'mon, it says before you post to keep a head high, it doesnt ask you to have it in the clouds. remember, we arent ALL from USA, we dont know all your history.
thats fine if you don't care, and when it comes down to it, you really shouldn't have to.  I wasn't referring to ignorance as not knowing about the JFK assassination, and if you don't live in the US then thats fine, null vote.  The ignorance was referring to the fact that theres no chance in hell he was the lone gunman yet almost 40 still think he did...
2006-12-04 18:29:31
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6942|United States of America

Bertster7 wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

I saw a program by a few Austrailians (IIRC) who recreated the "magic bullet" shot using the same distances, angles, and using materials to simulate tissue resistance.  They were able to recreate the injuries of JFK and the governor nearly to the millimeter.

Whether or not Oswald was under someone's direction or not, he was the shooter.

I doubt that it was some massive comspiracy, because people just don't keep secrets that well.
Yeah, I saw that experiment on a documentary in the UK about it. There were many other experiments to back it up too. It was quite interesting. They went through every little detail and systemactically disproved all the second shooter nonsense.
Photo op! Bertster and I agree.
2006-12-04 18:34:16
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6859|132 and Bush

DesertFox423 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

I saw a program by a few Austrailians (IIRC) who recreated the "magic bullet" shot using the same distances, angles, and using materials to simulate tissue resistance.  They were able to recreate the injuries of JFK and the governor nearly to the millimeter.

Whether or not Oswald was under someone's direction or not, he was the shooter.

I doubt that it was some massive comspiracy, because people just don't keep secrets that well.
Yeah, I saw that experiment on a documentary in the UK about it. There were many other experiments to back it up too. It was quite interesting. They went through every little detail and systemactically disproved all the second shooter nonsense.
Photo op! Bertster and I agree.
click click

Seriously though I want this answered. Why in the hell would you kill the President during a parade in the middle of the street in front of millions of people? Not very sneaky, maybe the should take notes from the Russians.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-12-05 02:38:26
SysTray
"Generous mods" < Thats right Systray !
+180|7079|Delaware

Kmarion wrote:

DesertFox423 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


Yeah, I saw that experiment on a documentary in the UK about it. There were many other experiments to back it up too. It was quite interesting. They went through every little detail and systemactically disproved all the second shooter nonsense.
Photo op! Bertster and I agree.
click click

Seriously though I want this answered. Why in the hell would you kill the President during a parade in the middle of the street in front of millions of people? Not very sneaky, maybe the should take notes from the Russians.
Why? To show they had the power to do so. To show that if you were different, like JFK, and you didn't follow what the Cabinet wanted you to do, and you had your own agenda, that you would pay dearly for it.
2006-12-05 03:03:00
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7030|PNW

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Fairly simple question, fairly simple answer....

Do you believe that Oswald Was the only gunman that killed JFK?

If you don't believe that he was the only one, who do you think did it?
JFK himself was the other shooter. He fired a shot from his secret James Bond gun at Oswald, but it bounced off of a steel bar and went straight back at him.
2006-12-05 12:18:38
PvtStPoK
paintball > bf2
+48|6772|montreal, quebec

CommieChipmunk wrote:

PvtStPoK wrote:

the topic is labelled "ignorance test" and you ask us a question that we would might never care for a second. i could make a poll asking : who kidnapped pierre laporte? so i can tell you that you're an ignorant. c'mon, it says before you post to keep a head high, it doesnt ask you to have it in the clouds. remember, we arent ALL from USA, we dont know all your history.
thats fine if you don't care, and when it comes down to it, you really shouldn't have to.  I wasn't referring to ignorance as not knowing about the JFK assassination, and if you don't live in the US then thats fine, null vote.  The ignorance was referring to the fact that theres no chance in hell he was the lone gunman yet almost 40 still think he did...
why not? at this time, military service was  for every men, he could have learn to shot there. The assassination took place in Dallas, Texas. I might be wrong but isnt one of the state with the most guns there? should have been easy to find one. I honestly Oswald could have done it by himself. I mean, why not? does it really takes an army to kill one invidual?

 

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