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usmarine2007 wrote:

"Human rights activists allege Gonzalez Conti oversaw about 20 clandestine torture centers in Buenos Aires province during the past dictatorship."



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061129/ap_ … ar_protest

hey arent you usmarine2005?

Wow, you seem very interested in what happened 30 years ago here.  It wasn't like the old Iraq, except in one thing, that dictatorship was also supported by US.  It was more like the 40-50's in the US where you couldn't be leftist.  I'm sure you know about McCarthyism, only that here the militars supported by US tortured the "leftists", and between 15k and 20k are missing or dead.

With the support of United States Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, the junta continued the Dirty War, the ongoing disappearance, torture, and murder of thousands of suspected political dissidents and leftists during the junta's rule

Kerry was right, you should have stayed at school.  Before talking of something please do some research, you don't know a shit about this and you only post it to troll.

I'm sure you are familiarized with the HDI, so let's see if Argentina and Iraq are the same:

List of countries by Human Development Index

Argentina has a high HDI, a.k.a Highly Developed Country and Iraq isn't even low ranked because of the Civil War courtesy of US.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-11-29 06:52:20)

And by the way serge, I do not know a lot about Argentina.  I have never been there, hence the discussion.  But you have never been to Iraq, Afghanistan, or Africa right?  Yet you talk about those places.  So relax a bit.

I said SOUNDED like........I did not say it was like that now did I?  Try and read before flamming.



And can you ever have a discussion without bringing up the US or Israel?

Last edited by usmarine2007 (2006-11-29 07:09:24)

sergeriver wrote:

Kerry was right, you should have stayed at school.  Before talking of something please do some research, you don't know a shit about this and you only post it to troll.

Not very nice to rip on people's education like Kerry, serge.  You won't get nods of approval on that any more than Kerry did.  In fact, the education level of our military personnel is above average by the studies that have been done on the subject.  Please refrain from talking that way to anyone who has served in the military.  Thanks.

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kerry was right, you should have stayed at school.  Before talking of something please do some research, you don't know a shit about this and you only post it to troll.

Not very nice to rip on people's education like Kerry, serge.  You won't get nods of approval on that any more than Kerry did.  In fact, the education level of our military personnel is above average by the studies that have been done on the subject.  Please refrain from talking that way to anyone who has served in the military.  Thanks.

I'm talking specifically about usmarine2005/7 not about all the members of the Army.

usmarine2007 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

I said SOUNDED like........I did not say it was like that now did I?  Try and read before flamming.



And can you ever have a discussion without bringing up the US or Israel?

I flame?  Lol.  You created a thread only to bother me, and I do the flaming, that's the most hilarious thing I ever heard.  I told you before, I don't have any problems with America or Jews, but I don't like Bush or Zionists.  In fact I spent a lot of my vacations in US and I'm happen to be Jewish.  So, I think I can talk all I want about Israel.

But is that all we are allowed to discuss here?  God forbid we bring up other stories from other countries.  And no, I did not create this to bother you.  Get over yourself.

Ok, let's talk about Argentina, but you should talk with knowledge.  You only found an article talking about the activists and posted "This place sounded like the old Iraq".  Well, those activists are trying to get justice done (too late IMO).  Of course what happened here can't be changed.  It's history, it happened, it was a shit, talking for what my parents told me and the things I studied in school.  But if you wanna talk about this issue, read some shit first.  If you want to discuss this issue seriously I'll be the first person to get involved, because we don't deny this happened, Argentinians were the victims, so we have nothing to hide.

sergeriver wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kerry was right, you should have stayed at school.  Before talking of something please do some research, you don't know a shit about this and you only post it to troll.

Not very nice to rip on people's education like Kerry, serge.  You won't get nods of approval on that any more than Kerry did.  In fact, the education level of our military personnel is above average by the studies that have been done on the subject.  Please refrain from talking that way to anyone who has served in the military.  Thanks.

I'm talking specifically about usmarine2005/7 not about all the members of the Army.

The education level of the military would obviously include usmarine2007.  And by his name I think he's a Marine, not in the Army.

usmarine2007 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I'm talking specifically about usmarine2005/7 not about all the members of the Army.

The education level of the military would obviously include usmarine2007.  And by his name I think he's a Marine, not in the Army.

Well, he can talk down all he wants.  I have a four year degree, but it is in aviation, not history.

Well, I admit it guys.  It wasn't the happiest thing to say.  I apologize for being rude as Kerry was.  It's just I'm amazed how easily you usmarine can make fun of what happens in Iraq.  It's true, I overreacted.  But you are trolling all the way.

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

The education level of the military would obviously include usmarine2007.  And by his name I think he's a Marine, not in the Army.

Well, he can talk down all he wants.  I have a four year degree, but it is in aviation, not history.

Well, I admit it guys.  It wasn't the happiest thing to say.  I apologize for being rude as Kerry was.  It's just I'm amazed how easily you usmarine can make fun of what happens in Iraq.  It's true, I overreacted.  But you are trolling all the way.

You apologize better than Kerry, I'll give you that.

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Well, he can talk down all he wants.  I have a four year degree, but it is in aviation, not history.

Well, I admit it guys.  It wasn't the happiest thing to say.  I apologize for being rude as Kerry was.  It's just I'm amazed how easily you usmarine can make fun of what happens in Iraq.  It's true, I overreacted.  But you are trolling all the way.

You apologize better than Kerry, I'll give you that.

Not a very difficult thing to do.

oug wrote:

Serge, forgive me but I don't see why you're offended by the OP... If nothing else, it's an opportunity to remember all those dictatorships that were supported by the CIA during Kissinger's days (same thing happened in Greece for example, which led to the Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus blah blah blah)

Also I consider riots against that prick Conti to be a good thing... because frankly him being under house arrest sounds like a pat in the back.

I'm not offended by the OP, I'm offended by the disrespectful "This place sounded like the old Iraq" or "Argentina sounds worse than Gitmo".  We don't deny the 20-30k people disappeared, we remember them everyday.  Argentina was the victim here.  And Iraq is the victim now, so maybe usmarine is right.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-11-29 09:33:44)

Jainus wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I'm not offended by the OP, I'm offended by the disrespectful "This place sounded like the old Iraq" or "Argentina sounds worse than Gitmo".  We don't deny the 20-30k people disappeared, we remember them everyday.  Argentina was the victim here.  And Iraq is the victim now, so maybe usmarine is right.

I don't think thats what he was saying, or what he was trying to draw attention to. I think he was highlighting that people were dragged from their families and homes and "disappeared"; much like happened in Iraq under Saddam. And where was Gitmo brought up from? The first person to mention it is you in this last reply!!

And nowhere does he draw any sort of comparison with 'Old' Iraq and 'Modern' Argentina; as you say it did all happen 30 years ago there and was still happening as recently as 5 years ago in Iraq.

That was another thread by usmarine "Argentina sounds worse than Gitmo".  And comparing this with Iraq is disrespectful to Iraqis.  Here we suffered an extreme McCarthyism, where leftists (not always leftists btw) were taken away and disappeared, approx 20k-30k.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-11-29 10:19:38)