sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|6781|Argentina
Lol at 6.  I guess only the Vatican can become very wealthy.
jord
Member
+2,382|6702|The North, beyond the wall.
I'd rather kill myself than be Catholic. No wait I'd go go to hell and "live" an even worse life than if I was alive and abided by Catholic guidelines.

Last edited by jord (2008-03-10 13:13:58)

PluggedValve
Member
+17|6364

G3|Genius wrote:

I don't think wealth itself is sinful.  I think that it can lead to selfishness, greed, folly, aggression, and other sinful behavior.

I think we are entitled to what we honestly earn.  I think what the Church is saying is, those who "have" have a moral obligation to help those who "have not" rather than squirreling it away for selfish reasons.

It's in the Bible...I'll look it up and edit my post.

[edit]

Luke 12:15-21 wrote:

15
    Then he said to the crowd, "Take care to guard against all greed, for though one may be rich, one's life does not consist of possessions."
16
    Then he told them a parable. "There was a rich man whose land produced a bountiful harvest.
17
    He asked himself, 'What shall I do, for I do not have space to store my harvest?'
18
    And he said, 'This is what I shall do: I shall tear down my barns and build larger ones. There I shall store all my grain and other goods
19
    and I shall say to myself, "Now as for you, you have so many good things stored up for many years, rest, eat, drink, be merry!"
20
    But God said to him, 'You fool, this night your life will be demanded of you; and the things you have prepared, to whom will they belong?'
21
    Thus will it be for the one who stores up treasure for himself but is not rich in what matters to God."
That's why religeon is retarded.  Because people beleive what suits them.  Not what is morally right.  See Pat Robertson for obscenely wealthy, and he thinks he is a prophet (more like profit).
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6469|The Land of Scott Walker
Revising the conditions for not reaching Heaven seems completely silly. 

Right then, God.  We have some new rules that you'll be bound by when it comes to Heaven and Hell, sound good?  What's that?  Yes, we remember why you sent Jesus.  Sssssssh.  Then we wouldn't be important, so we have to convince them they need us in order to confess their sin.  Huh?  Contradicts the Bible.  Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.  *prints newspaper*
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6645|London, England

Stingray24 wrote:

Revising the conditions for not reaching Heaven seems completely silly. 

Right then, God.  We have some new rules that you'll be bound by when it comes to Heaven and Hell, sound good?  What's that?  Yes, we remember why you sent Jesus.  Sssssssh.  Then we wouldn't be important, so we have to convince them they need us in order to confess their sin.  Huh?  Contradicts the Bible.  Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.  *prints newspaper*
Cmon, someone claiming that they have been sent new guidlines by god is no ridiculous than when it was said to have happened to certain people hundreds of years ago

In other words a new set of rules is no more ridiculous than a set of rules made hundreds of years ago

Really there is nothing different between the new rules and the old ones, just that because the old ones were juring "holy times" they're supposed to make more sense and be more believable?

I don't like religion, but at least these guys are trying to get into the modern world

Last edited by Mek-Izzle (2008-03-10 13:27:55)

{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|6783|San Antonio, Texas

Stingray24 wrote:

Revising the conditions for not reaching Heaven seems completely silly. 

Right then, God.  We have some new rules that you'll be bound by when it comes to Heaven and Hell, sound good?  What's that?  Yes, we remember why you sent Jesus.  Sssssssh.  Then we wouldn't be important, so we have to convince them they need us in order to confess their sin.  Huh?  Contradicts the Bible.  Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.  *prints newspaper*
Yeah, QFT.

Last edited by {M5}Sniper3 (2008-03-10 13:29:13)

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6469|The Land of Scott Walker

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Revising the conditions for not reaching Heaven seems completely silly. 

Right then, God.  We have some new rules that you'll be bound by when it comes to Heaven and Hell, sound good?  What's that?  Yes, we remember why you sent Jesus.  Sssssssh.  Then we wouldn't be important, so we have to convince them they need us in order to confess their sin.  Huh?  Contradicts the Bible.  Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.  *prints newspaper*
Cmon, someone claiming that they have been sent new guidlines by god is no ridiculous than when it was said to have happened to certain people hundreds of years ago

In other words a new set of rules is no more ridiculous than a set of rules made hundreds of years ago

Really there is nothing different between the new rules and the old ones, just that because the old ones were juring "holy times" they're supposed to make more sense and be more believable?

I don't like religion, but at least these guys are trying to get into the modern world
If you research the authorship of the Bible you will find it to be quite consistent.  The "new rules" continue the idea that there are sins that God is unable to forgive, which is false.  The old and new "mortal sins" set by the Catholic Church were off base from the beginning.  Either God can forgive all sin or He cannot.  Anything in the middle is not logical.

Last edited by Stingray24 (2008-03-10 13:41:20)

usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6785

they can shove it up their asses for all I care.


Where is the "do not fiddle with little boys" sin?
too_money2007
Member
+145|6332|Keller, Tx
Nothing about internet porn, I'm set.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6566|Texas - Bigger than France
Sweet!   I'm going to go to my neighbor's house, shoot the husband, rape the hot college student, and steal the BMW.

I've been waiting for this for years!!!
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6566|Texas - Bigger than France
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh … wvat31.xml

From the link in same post.  I really think the Vatican is losing it.  Name of book: "It's a sin not to do it".

I can't wait to use this on my wife (she's catholic, I'm not)...

...that headache must be from you realizing you're going to hell.

...before we start, you know it's a sin to fake it, right?

...honey, Jesus wants you to give me a blowjob.
JahManRed
wank
+646|6652|IRELAND

That's a check list for shit I got to do in my life.
Noobeater
Northern numpty
+194|6471|Boulder, CO
I think its strange that the vatican, the richest thing in the world, holding billions of pounds worth of art and gold in its vaults are saying its a sin to be obscenely rich.

On a lighter note the bbc news report just said

other numbers
Poverty
further numbers.

It made me go, wait what? As ot didn't say causing poverty, just poverty.
maffiaw
ph33r me 傻逼
+40|6444|Melbourne, AUS

IG-Calibre wrote:

4 - causing social injustice,
5- causing poverty,
6 - becoming obscenely wealthy
7 -  taking drugs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.j … can110.xml

thank God.. looks like i'm still hell bound .. oh noes!!
Looks like 80% of the world is going to hell then. Heaven is now the ultimate exclusive club.
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6549|South Florida

Gooners wrote:

6 - becoming obscenely wealthy

What!? You can't help it can you? If you've earned your way there, then how can it be a sin?
Exactly. Thats so fucking stupid.

And pride?? I cant be proud?? Don't you think Noah was proud when he built that fuckin ark?

These 7 new ones are just... just...

fake sounding!
15 more years! 15 more years!
clogar
damn ain't it great to be a laxer
+32|5979|Minnesota

CameronPoe wrote:

G3|Genius wrote:

I don't think wealth itself is sinful.  I think that it can lead to selfishness, greed, folly, aggression, and other sinful behavior.

I think we are entitled to what we honestly earn.  I think what the Church is saying is, those who "have" have a moral obligation to help those who "have not" rather than squirreling it away for selfish reasons.

It's in the Bible...I'll look it up and edit my post.
I think Jesus said something like a camel has more chance of passing through the eye of a needle than a rich man has of getting to heaven.
the eye of a needle was the name of a short gate in jerusalem that was hard for camels to get into, but it was still possible.
clogar
damn ain't it great to be a laxer
+32|5979|Minnesota

Stingray24 wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Revising the conditions for not reaching Heaven seems completely silly. 

Right then, God.  We have some new rules that you'll be bound by when it comes to Heaven and Hell, sound good?  What's that?  Yes, we remember why you sent Jesus.  Sssssssh.  Then we wouldn't be important, so we have to convince them they need us in order to confess their sin.  Huh?  Contradicts the Bible.  Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then.  *prints newspaper*
Cmon, someone claiming that they have been sent new guidlines by god is no ridiculous than when it was said to have happened to certain people hundreds of years ago

In other words a new set of rules is no more ridiculous than a set of rules made hundreds of years ago

Really there is nothing different between the new rules and the old ones, just that because the old ones were juring "holy times" they're supposed to make more sense and be more believable?

I don't like religion, but at least these guys are trying to get into the modern world
If you research the authorship of the Bible you will find it to be quite consistent.  The "new rules" continue the idea that there are sins that God is unable to forgive, which is false.  The old and new "mortal sins" set by the Catholic Church were off base from the beginning.  Either God can forgive all sin or He cannot.  Anything in the middle is not logical.
there is no list of which sins are mortal and which are not, a mortal sin is when you do something and you're like "i'm doing this to reject God"
liquix
Member
+51|6477|Peoples Republic of Portland
i guffawed when I read these. Strangely, this article from Australia reads a slightly different list :
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23 … 09,00.html

this one cites pedophilia as one of the new sins, I guess 600 million in payouts put a blemish on the Vatican.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6469|The Land of Scott Walker

clogar wrote:

there is no list of which sins are mortal and which are not ...
Precisely my point, sorry if I was unclear.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+794|6708|United States of America
Bah, this is the New Coke of religious laws. 7 Sins Classic will win out in the long run.
Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6386|Vancouver

too_money2007 wrote:

Nothing about internet porn, I'm set.
High five!
Rohirm
Fear is a Leash
+85|6195|New Austin, Not
This just seems fitting for this situation:
https://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9492/religiongm1.jpg
I'm a (bad) Catholic but these 7 new deadly sins are getting out of hand...

Last edited by Rohirm (2008-03-10 17:57:21)

Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6352

usmarine wrote:

they can shove it up their asses for all I care.


Where is the "do not fiddle with little boys" sin?
I was about to say "The church can go fuck themselves" But, I think you summed it up pretty well for me.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6549|South Florida
Time for Mitch's post.

Biggest load of bullshit ive ever, ever heard. I garentee some part of the gov. and lawmakers where behind this. It's so poorly made, that i honestly cant see how they expect to be taken seriously.

2 - carrying out experiments on humans

Thats too blatent to say. I can't experiment with Makeup on humans?

6 - becoming obscenely wealthy

Great, so now the church is teaming up with Socialists

7 -  taking drugs

The same drugs that god created?

This is CLEARLY the government trying to use religion to make people obey.

FFS taking drugs is a law in America, and some other countries, its not a religious law.  Religious laws are not restricted by boundries, and these sound like a bunch of laws throw together by liberal, socialist, hippies.
15 more years! 15 more years!
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6673

Poseidon wrote:

dayarath wrote:

wait not taking drugs.

Doesn't the bible say somewhere "What goes in your mouth does not defile you, what comes out can."

So who made these rules =/?
wait, wut

...What would come o---oh I get it

I have a very dirty mind. :S
I believe that may be a hint to girls to swallow.

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