BF2S Forums Look Out Great Britain, Your Appeasement Is Showing!!

lowing wrote:

Think of me as you will Cam, I am not politically correct. And if a radical element ACTS radically, I see no reason to pretend it is not. I see no need in lying about Islam, their radical element or even the views of the moderates which do not mesh with western society beliefs or morality.

I am not in politics. I have opinions and I express those opinions without fear of loosing votes or being attacked or creating riots. To bad GB can't say that.

Nobody is pretending that a 'radical element' is not 'acting radically', something you fail to see. What these radicals are doing is unIslamic so the British assertion is correct, but their assertion does not in any way mean they do not recognise that a 'radical element is acting radically'. I think you & I and most of the more reasonable members of the forum have nothing more to discuss here.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-01-21 07:41:22)

lowing wrote:

I se no reason to appease them no. Their religion has a radical element to it and is significant. I see no reason to deny it.

Significant my ringpiece! Seriously man, get out and talk to some muslims. Spend a weekend in the UAE or something. Heck spend a weekend in Bradford.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I se no reason to appease them no. Their religion has a radical element to it and is significant. I see no reason to deny it.

Significant my ringpiece! Seriously man, get out and talk to some muslims. Spend a weekend in the UAE or something. Heck spend a weekend in Bradford.

right on brotha.  We'll give you a curry to make your ass burn for weeks.

lowing wrote:

I am not in politics. I have opinions and I express those opinions without fear of loosing votes or being attacked or creating riots. To bad GB can't say that.

Britain being a country and you being a single person...


This is getting circular. Alienating moderate normal Muslims is only a bad thing. Can we leave it at that?

m3thod wrote:

lowing wrote:

Your religion is full of this type of behavior expressed by the radicals.  THe Muslim on western violents along with the muslim on muslim violence throughout the world proves this. To deny it is rediculous, to pretend it does not exist is delussional. To try and "understand" it is impossible. to ignore it stupid.

Look fine.  Alienate the moderates, just what the terrorists want.

Not exactly a tactical genius, our lowing. Also not prepared to take on board the views of an actual typical British Muslim. And he talks about others with their heads in the sand... He's also completely insulated from and oblivious to real western Islam. Perhaps too long cooped up in an Iraqi bunker.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-01-21 08:00:22)

usmarine2005 wrote:

This is very nice.  Wonder how many people from this forum submitted questions?

"Sympathizers submitted hundreds of questions to al-Qaida deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahri's "on-line interview" before a recent deadline. Among them: Why hasn't al-Qaida attacked the U.S. again, why isn't it attacking the Israelis and when will it be more active in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Syria? "
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080121/ap_ … k_al_qaida

I would love to know the websites.

m3thod wrote:

I would harbour a guess...that the people that submitted those questions would have had bombs with Made in the USA stamped on them punted in their general direction sometime in their life....

For no reason of course...

Where's Churchhill when you need him..

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I se no reason to appease them no. Their religion has a radical element to it and is significant. I see no reason to deny it.

Significant my ringpiece! Seriously man, get out and talk to some muslims. Spend a weekend in the UAE or something. Heck spend a weekend in Bradford.

I guess the ME is not really ate up with Muslm on Muslim violence or Muslim on western society violence is it. Pretending it does not exist, does not make it so.

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:

I will defy you to show me where I have said every muslimis a terrorists and that every muslim supports terrorism. I keep asking for this and no one will show me. I don't get it., could it be because I have never made such a claim?

Lowing - that's the whole point! you're right you don't "get it"!. 

As a Christian though, do you ever ask yourself where do we find God in this situation? Where is Peace?forgiveness? Reconciliation? after living on a Battlefield for 30 years surrounded by horror, suffering, pain, destruction, eventually, eventually, this is the question we had to ask ourselves here, as Christians.   It's just a shame it took so many senseless deaths, bombings, and tragedy before we did.  How do you Americans begin to address & answer the same question as a "Christian" nation?

1. Do not quote me unless you use the correct context. Show me where I said the things you claim I said.

2. I am not a Christian, I am agnostic. My opinions are not formed based on the bible. They are formed based on my personal morality, experiences, and what I read. My views of right and wrong come from this.

I agree you most certainly are not Christian. Let me let you into a little secret about the second coming.. Jesus comes back into this world everyday through "us" who do actually believe in him, through our hearts and our actions, specially those that are the most difficult to face. He said "I am the way and the light". He ain't popping down again no matter what nonsense "churches" say.  Divinity is what raises us above "animals".  As for your "personal" morailty, what you believe Lowing is far from moral it's offensive to anyone even vaguely "moral" no matter their religious background. Maybe you should try reading a little about morality, there are plenty of sources other than the bible, because it may straighten out your clearly warped understanding of what it means to be a moral person.  You will always be an agnostic, a man without God because you don't know how to find him, because you don't look in the right places..

CameronPoe wrote:

m3thod wrote:

lowing wrote:

Your religion is full of this type of behavior expressed by the radicals.  THe Muslim on western violents along with the muslim on muslim violence throughout the world proves this. To deny it is rediculous, to pretend it does not exist is delussional. To try and "understand" it is impossible. to ignore it stupid.

Look fine.  Alienate the moderates, just what the terrorists want.

Not exactly a tactical genius, our lowing. Also not prepared to take on board the views of an actual typical British Muslim. And he talks about others with their heads in the sand... He's also completely insulated from and oblivious to real western Islam. Perhaps too long cooped up in an Iraqi bunker.

As long as you admit that appeasement is a tactic, you can call me whatever ya want. A British Muslim hardly speaks for or acts like the other 500,000,000.

Real western Islam?? Ya mean like those that rioted over cartoons??

IG-Calibre wrote:

lowing wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

Lowing - that's the whole point! you're right you don't "get it"!. 

As a Christian though, do you ever ask yourself where do we find God in this situation? Where is Peace?forgiveness? Reconciliation? after living on a Battlefield for 30 years surrounded by horror, suffering, pain, destruction, eventually, eventually, this is the question we had to ask ourselves here, as Christians.   It's just a shame it took so many senseless deaths, bombings, and tragedy before we did.  How do you Americans begin to address & answer the same question as a "Christian" nation?

1. Do not quote me unless you use the correct context. Show me where I said the things you claim I said.

2. I am not a Christian, I am agnostic. My opinions are not formed based on the bible. They are formed based on my personal morality, experiences, and what I read. My views of right and wrong come from this.

I agree you most certainly are not Christian. Let me let you into a little secret about the second coming.. Jesus comes back into this world everyday through "us" who do actually believe in him, through our hearts and our actions, specially those that are the most difficult to face. He said "I am the way and the light". He ain't popping down again no matter what nonsense "churches" say.  Divinity is what raises us above "animals".  As for your "personal" morality, what you believe Lowing is far from moral it's offensive to anyone even vaguely "moral" no matter their religious background. Maybe you should try reading a little about morality, there are plenty of sources other than the bible, because it may straighten out your clearly warped understanding of what it means to be a moral person.  You will always be an agnostic, a man without God because you don't know how to find him, because you don't look in the right places..

I tried looking at the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, attitudes from modern Christians that bomb abortion clinics, the KKK, the war between Protestants and Catholics and on and on and on............... and yer right, I just couldn't find him.

Maybe he is on TV with Robert Tilton, or the 700 Club, or perhaps Ernest Angley. I tried looking at my fellow human beings as they flip me off while passing me on the highway, or cut me off at an exit ramp.

bottom line is, I will stack up my morilty for those demonstrated by muslims or christians any day of the week.

I don't understand what it is about Islam that bugs lowing so much. He's from a country that has a ridiculously negligible percentage population of Muslims and would be largely unaffected by Middle Eastern militancy if it had decent airport and border security.