ATG wrote:
Sorry, gotta step in the very eye of this storm with both barrels;Alright Serge, this cannot go unaddressed; you called him an asshole, and there isn't one half of a half a reason why you should have.sergeriver wrote:
Melodramatics? Now you are being an asshole, man. I'm very concerned about Darfur, Somalia, Palestine, Haiti, etc, and not because I feel good about myself for saying this. When I criticize Israel it's why don't you talk about Africa. Give me a break.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
save the melodramatics. there is protest everywhere in the world. we've checked that box already. next?sergeriver wrote:
The least we can do is not to remain silent.Kmarion wrote:
Help how exactly? I want specifics.
things like "save darfur" bother. Are people so vocal about this issue because they really want it to end, or are they just concerned with how good it feels for themselves to voice their opinion.
I could see this turning into a pack of wolves directed at you, as in this case you crossed the line, without merit, and you should be ashamed.Oh geez man, pick your battles wisely. Mind your tone, HOF'r.sergeriver wrote:
I'd prefer that. You just called me a melodramatic hypocrite and I ain't that.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
mad? i didnt call you an asshole.sergeriver wrote:
Melodramatics? Now you are being an asshole, man. I'm very concerned about Darfur, Somalia, Palestine, Haiti, etc, and not because I feel good about myself for saying this. When I criticize Israel it's why don't you talk about Africa. Give me a break.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
save the melodramatics. there is protest everywhere in the world. we've checked that box already. next?
things like "save darfur" bother. Are people so vocal about this issue because they really want it to end, or are they just concerned with how good it feels for themselves to voice their opinion.You are using sincerity as an excuse for melodramatics here.sergeriver wrote:
What's the point of making such a blatant comment when I posted a sincere thread about what I feel about this conflict?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Hey buddy, youre the one who associated yourself with the second one, not me.sergeriver wrote:
GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
reread my post and point out exactly where I called you a hypocrite, please. but yes, you are quite melodramatic.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Are people so vocal about this issue because they really want it to end, or are they just concerned with how good it feels for themselves to voice their opinion.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
People who really are concerned dont let this shit draw out the way it. its week, its a cop out and I doubt most people who say they care actually do.Oh please.sergeriver wrote:
I don't know what the fuck they want from me. I can't post anything without being bashed.Kmarion wrote:
There are a few people who have recently made this section extremely unpleasant. I'm not going to warn anymore. They will not continue to ruin it for everyone else.Then why bother typing?sergeriver wrote:
Did you read anything of what I wrote? I don't give a fuck if you disagree with me. If I say you are wrong it doesn't mean I want you to agree with me. I get into a tantrym whenever someone calls me names because of what I post.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Id rather emphasize the fact that my point was proven. You see, I said,sergeriver wrote:
Quote the whole thing. If you don't have anything smart to say then don't say anything at all.
I wanted to show how you started your post with "You are wrong" and how you ended it with "fuck this thread". Proving my point on how you get into a tantrum whenever someone disagrees with you.
We may be in Iraq for reasons other than the liberation of its people, but we are not getting any proffits out of it. I really don't feel like explaining to somebody that we arn't getting any extra oil from Iraq, so please just read this: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=47570Yellowman03 wrote:
i've been very active in the darfur situation. I've donated probably around $200 total to organizations. It's not much...but i'm trying.
the reason the US government doesn't get involved is because there are no benefits in helping them. In Iraq we can at least get oil...maybe.
i'd hate to get rid of your 1337 karma...but +1 for the post.
This thread basically sums up what is wrong with this world. Too many people with too much pride to admit when they are wrong and instead add to a vicious cycle. It doesn't matter if it is a gaming forum or world politics or conflicts or war. One religion believes it is right all else is wrong, One man believes he is right and all other opinions are crap. One country thinks it should do this or that and then wars break out. Name a time in this world when there wasn't a war. All I see is the same cycle over and over. The middle east will always be in conflict over a small patch of dirt. Governments will always stick it to another government and nobody is in an big hurry to see it end.
I find it funny that the U.S. government is criticized for its action in Iraq, but if we look back...pretty much every government was in agreement that Saddam was a bad apple. Resolution after resolution after resolution kept it going on for years and there was a lot of pressure for someone to do something before it was too late. Right or wrong, that fell onto America. Now, the Darfur situation is getting worse while every one sits on their hands wondering who will do what. Of course, people are starting to ask when America will do something. America is damned if they do or damned if they don't. If we do something that even resembles military action, we will be viewed...especially by the muslim world...as just another muslim country under attack from the American "crusaders". If we don't do anything, well it is because we have nothing to gain (oil, resources..etc) So no matter what happens, we will get blamed somehow.
Some people here believe that change needs to occur from the inside by its own people. Sometimes that just isn't going to happen. I just don't see that happening at all. What are the people suffering there going to do...pick up sticks and stones. Sometimes intervention has to happen, just as it did in Bosnia. Would anyone disagree that shouldn't have happened? Sometimes somebody has to step in and TRY to do the right thing. We can all be back seat drivers or monday morning quarterbacks when it comes to what happens after some interventions but sometimes the ugly work needs to be done.
I left these forums awhile back because of the personal attacks and the negativity some people showed towards others when you didn't agree with them or even personal messages sent to me just to take personal shots at me and my family because of my points of view. Again, it is a perfect example of why we have so many problems in this world. Too many people beating their chests and getting ugly because a common ground is out of reach. Instead of bullets and guns, people shoot words and attacks instead, but in many places people are dying because words aren't enough.
I find it funny that the U.S. government is criticized for its action in Iraq, but if we look back...pretty much every government was in agreement that Saddam was a bad apple. Resolution after resolution after resolution kept it going on for years and there was a lot of pressure for someone to do something before it was too late. Right or wrong, that fell onto America. Now, the Darfur situation is getting worse while every one sits on their hands wondering who will do what. Of course, people are starting to ask when America will do something. America is damned if they do or damned if they don't. If we do something that even resembles military action, we will be viewed...especially by the muslim world...as just another muslim country under attack from the American "crusaders". If we don't do anything, well it is because we have nothing to gain (oil, resources..etc) So no matter what happens, we will get blamed somehow.
Some people here believe that change needs to occur from the inside by its own people. Sometimes that just isn't going to happen. I just don't see that happening at all. What are the people suffering there going to do...pick up sticks and stones. Sometimes intervention has to happen, just as it did in Bosnia. Would anyone disagree that shouldn't have happened? Sometimes somebody has to step in and TRY to do the right thing. We can all be back seat drivers or monday morning quarterbacks when it comes to what happens after some interventions but sometimes the ugly work needs to be done.
I left these forums awhile back because of the personal attacks and the negativity some people showed towards others when you didn't agree with them or even personal messages sent to me just to take personal shots at me and my family because of my points of view. Again, it is a perfect example of why we have so many problems in this world. Too many people beating their chests and getting ugly because a common ground is out of reach. Instead of bullets and guns, people shoot words and attacks instead, but in many places people are dying because words aren't enough.
Correct. The world will always be at war because humans are cliquish and and band together to protect their own interests.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
This thread basically sums up what is wrong with this world. Too many people with too much pride to admit when they are wrong and instead add to a vicious cycle. It doesn't matter if it is a gaming forum or world politics or conflicts or war. One religion believes it is right all else is wrong, One man believes he is right and all other opinions are crap. One country thinks it should do this or that and then wars break out. Name a time in this world when there wasn't a war. All I see is the same cycle over and over. The middle east will always be in conflict over a small patch of dirt. Governments will always stick it to another government and nobody is in an big hurry to see it end.
Everybody realised Saddam was a bad man yes but most of the rest of the world did not think it wise, appropriate or their place to interfere militarily in a situation that should have been the responsibility of Iraqis, much like the US war of independence was the responsibility of Americans, the Irish war of independence was the responsibility of the Irish, the US civil war was the business of the Americans.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
I find it funny that the U.S. government is criticized for its action in Iraq, but if we look back...pretty much every government was in agreement that Saddam was a bad apple. Resolution after resolution after resolution kept it going on for years and there was a lot of pressure for someone to do something before it was too late. Right or wrong, that fell onto America. Now, the Darfur situation is getting worse while every one sits on their hands wondering who will do what. Of course, people are starting to ask when America will do something. America is damned if they do or damned if they don't. If we do something that even resembles military action, we will be viewed...especially by the muslim world...as just another muslim country under attack from the American "crusaders". If we don't do anything, well it is because we have nothing to gain (oil, resources..etc) So no matter what happens, we will get blamed somehow.
I don't hear anyone apart from Serge wondering when America will do something about Darfur. Nobody will cast aspersions on the US for not intervening because let's face it: what the fuck does Darfur have to do with the US or anyone in the west? So basically you're only damned if you do. For a start it doesn't seem like America can continue to afford their global 'knight in slightly dull armour' act anymore anyway. So in a nutshell - the US incurs no blame. The EU is as affluent as the US and has a raft of fully mobile and well funded armies and it sits idle - it incurs no blame either because the situation has nothing to do with us. Just because a bunch of Hollywood actors jump on a bandwagon doesn't mean the US or anyone has to engage in a futile and expensive act of 'fixing the developing world'. I can't really put my finger on one thing that we've fixed in a very long time.
The Balkans is still a mess. Just because it leaves the daily headlines doesn't mean everyone is living in contented happiness. To be honest, the US had no duty to the region - if anything the bordering European nations perhaps should have done something through the threat to their own borders more than anything else. War and hatred will always exist. Now we're witnessing the formation of a state, Kosovo, that rewards an immigrant minority with part of a sovereign country. It's like handing immigrant Mexicans California.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Some people here believe that change needs to occur from the inside by its own people. Sometimes that just isn't going to happen. I just don't see that happening at all. What are the people suffering there going to do...pick up sticks and stones. Sometimes intervention has to happen, just as it did in Bosnia. Would anyone disagree that shouldn't have happened? Sometimes somebody has to step in and TRY to do the right thing. We can all be back seat drivers or monday morning quarterbacks when it comes to what happens after some interventions but sometimes the ugly work needs to be done.
A large part of that is directed at me but I'll clarify to all and sundry that a) I, as in 99.9% of the time, adhered to the forum rules - nothing that one would ordinarily regard as a 'personal attack' was made and b) did not send DBY any PMs as far as I'm aware (couldn't find any in my outbox anyway and I certainly wouldn't have been so petty as to PM insults).DeathBecomesYu wrote:
I left these forums awhile back because of the personal attacks and the negativity some people showed towards others when you didn't agree with them or even personal messages sent to me just to take personal shots at me and my family because of my points of view. Again, it is a perfect example of why we have so many problems in this world. Too many people beating their chests and getting ugly because a common ground is out of reach. Instead of bullets and guns, people shoot words and attacks instead, but in many places people are dying because words aren't enough.
We didn't care about the Rwandan genocide ( 800 000 dead), what makes this any different
We can't fix that, we should try to end this. That would be a difference IMO.Magpie wrote:
We didn't care about the Rwandan genocide ( 800 000 dead), what makes this any different
Do you want me to address your post? Ok, you are right. I crossed the line, I was wrong, I'm ashamed. I have the balls to admit my mistakes at least. Done.ATG wrote:
ATG wrote:
Sorry, gotta step in the very eye of this storm with both barrels;Alright Serge, this cannot go unaddressed; you called him an asshole, and there isn't one half of a half a reason why you should have.sergeriver wrote:
Melodramatics? Now you are being an asshole, man. I'm very concerned about Darfur, Somalia, Palestine, Haiti, etc, and not because I feel good about myself for saying this. When I criticize Israel it's why don't you talk about Africa. Give me a break.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
save the melodramatics. there is protest everywhere in the world. we've checked that box already. next?sergeriver wrote:
The least we can do is not to remain silent.Kmarion wrote:
Help how exactly? I want specifics.
things like "save darfur" bother. Are people so vocal about this issue because they really want it to end, or are they just concerned with how good it feels for themselves to voice their opinion.
I could see this turning into a pack of wolves directed at you, as in this case you crossed the line, without merit, and you should be ashamed.Oh geez man, pick your battles wisely. Mind your tone, HOF'r.sergeriver wrote:
I'd prefer that. You just called me a melodramatic hypocrite and I ain't that.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
mad? i didnt call you an asshole.sergeriver wrote:
Melodramatics? Now you are being an asshole, man. I'm very concerned about Darfur, Somalia, Palestine, Haiti, etc, and not because I feel good about myself for saying this. When I criticize Israel it's why don't you talk about Africa. Give me a break.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
save the melodramatics. there is protest everywhere in the world. we've checked that box already. next?
things like "save darfur" bother. Are people so vocal about this issue because they really want it to end, or are they just concerned with how good it feels for themselves to voice their opinion.You are using sincerity as an excuse for melodramatics here.sergeriver wrote:
What's the point of making such a blatant comment when I posted a sincere thread about what I feel about this conflict?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Hey buddy, youre the one who associated yourself with the second one, not me.sergeriver wrote:
GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
reread my post and point out exactly where I called you a hypocrite, please. but yes, you are quite melodramatic.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Are people so vocal about this issue because they really want it to end, or are they just concerned with how good it feels for themselves to voice their opinion.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
People who really are concerned dont let this shit draw out the way it. its week, its a cop out and I doubt most people who say they care actually do.Oh please.sergeriver wrote:
I don't know what the fuck they want from me. I can't post anything without being bashed.Kmarion wrote:
There are a few people who have recently made this section extremely unpleasant. I'm not going to warn anymore. They will not continue to ruin it for everyone else.Then why bother typing?sergeriver wrote:
Did you read anything of what I wrote? I don't give a fuck if you disagree with me. If I say you are wrong it doesn't mean I want you to agree with me. I get into a tantrym whenever someone calls me names because of what I post.
I totally agree with everything you have said here only. A few things I would make clear. As far as me saying that we are hearing "help the situation in Darfur".....I don't mean from this forum. We are seeing it more and more in the news, papers and debates...etc.. I also don't think America should be the police in anything by itself. In certain situations, the powers that be should try to help out when innocence can't. But as we all know, NOBODY can get along long enough to do it. Lastly, the personal attacks I am referring to did not come from you Cam and I was not referring to you at all. I will not name names anyway because the lowlife that did it doesn't deserve any more attention than he already craves.CameronPoe wrote:
Correct. The world will always be at war because humans are cliquish and and band together to protect their own interests.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
This thread basically sums up what is wrong with this world. Too many people with too much pride to admit when they are wrong and instead add to a vicious cycle. It doesn't matter if it is a gaming forum or world politics or conflicts or war. One religion believes it is right all else is wrong, One man believes he is right and all other opinions are crap. One country thinks it should do this or that and then wars break out. Name a time in this world when there wasn't a war. All I see is the same cycle over and over. The middle east will always be in conflict over a small patch of dirt. Governments will always stick it to another government and nobody is in an big hurry to see it end.Everybody realised Saddam was a bad man yes but most of the rest of the world did not think it wise, appropriate or their place to interfere militarily in a situation that should have been the responsibility of Iraqis, much like the US war of independence was the responsibility of Americans, the Irish war of independence was the responsibility of the Irish, the US civil war was the business of the Americans.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
I find it funny that the U.S. government is criticized for its action in Iraq, but if we look back...pretty much every government was in agreement that Saddam was a bad apple. Resolution after resolution after resolution kept it going on for years and there was a lot of pressure for someone to do something before it was too late. Right or wrong, that fell onto America. Now, the Darfur situation is getting worse while every one sits on their hands wondering who will do what. Of course, people are starting to ask when America will do something. America is damned if they do or damned if they don't. If we do something that even resembles military action, we will be viewed...especially by the muslim world...as just another muslim country under attack from the American "crusaders". If we don't do anything, well it is because we have nothing to gain (oil, resources..etc) So no matter what happens, we will get blamed somehow.
I don't hear anyone apart from Serge wondering when America will do something about Darfur. Nobody will cast aspersions on the US for not intervening because let's face it: what the fuck does Darfur have to do with the US or anyone in the west? So basically you're only damned if you do. For a start it doesn't seem like America can continue to afford their global 'knight in slightly dull armour' act anymore anyway. So in a nutshell - the US incurs no blame. The EU is as affluent as the US and has a raft of fully mobile and well funded armies and it sits idle - it incurs no blame either because the situation has nothing to do with us. Just because a bunch of Hollywood actors jump on a bandwagon doesn't mean the US or anyone has to engage in a futile and expensive act of 'fixing the developing world'. I can't really put my finger on one thing that we've fixed in a very long time.
The Balkans is still a mess. Just because it leaves the daily headlines doesn't mean everyone is living in contented happiness. To be honest, the US had no duty to the region - if anything the bordering European nations perhaps should have done something through the threat to their own borders more than anything else. War and hatred will always exist. Now we're witnessing the formation of a state, Kosovo, that rewards an immigrant minority with part of a sovereign country. It's like handing immigrant Mexicans California.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Some people here believe that change needs to occur from the inside by its own people. Sometimes that just isn't going to happen. I just don't see that happening at all. What are the people suffering there going to do...pick up sticks and stones. Sometimes intervention has to happen, just as it did in Bosnia. Would anyone disagree that shouldn't have happened? Sometimes somebody has to step in and TRY to do the right thing. We can all be back seat drivers or monday morning quarterbacks when it comes to what happens after some interventions but sometimes the ugly work needs to be done.A large part of that is directed at me but I'll clarify to all and sundry that a) I, as in 99.9% of the time, adhered to the forum rules - nothing that one would ordinarily regard as a 'personal attack' was made and b) did not send DBY any PMs as far as I'm aware (couldn't find any in my outbox anyway and I certainly wouldn't have been so petty as to PM insults).DeathBecomesYu wrote:
I left these forums awhile back because of the personal attacks and the negativity some people showed towards others when you didn't agree with them or even personal messages sent to me just to take personal shots at me and my family because of my points of view. Again, it is a perfect example of why we have so many problems in this world. Too many people beating their chests and getting ugly because a common ground is out of reach. Instead of bullets and guns, people shoot words and attacks instead, but in many places people are dying because words aren't enough.
go on spill the beans.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
I bet it was you.m3thod wrote:
go on spill the beans.
i'm eating...ok, seriously, we cant change a thing, if we fix it the day we look another way they will start killing eachother again.
Something should be done about Darfur, by the UN preferably.
Civilians need to be protected from malevolent military forces.
And in principal I would be prepared to do my bit.
African bullies need to know justice will reach them, and maybe they will scale their activities back.
Civilians need to be protected from malevolent military forces.
And in principal I would be prepared to do my bit.
African bullies need to know justice will reach them, and maybe they will scale their activities back.
Fuck Israel
Yeah only problem is that the UN need the prmission of the Government there to go in and at the moment they are saying no. At least the league of African Nation is trying t help by sending troops there but unfortunatley they just don't have the nnumbers and equipment to be effective.sergeriver wrote:
Not an invasion like Iraq, I'm talking about help. The UN should be able to do this, but we know it isn't. We could at least send this to all the people we know because many people don't know a shit about Darfur. If everyone knows about this maybe someone important will listen and will help, who knows? Meanwhile, kids die everyday. That's a fucking crime.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
so then you are talking about an invasion.sergeriver wrote:
Of course, I'm not talking of invasion here, but I don't fucking know what we're waiting for here dude. This genocide is being overlooked by almost everyone, including the UN. We should help them asap.
lolsergeriver wrote:
Is this what we do? Are we that bad? These kids deserve to have a childhood. What are we doing for them? Let's give them the chance. Let's not forget this, our silence is the biggest crime.
old thread is oldGod Save the Queen wrote:
lolsergeriver wrote:
Is this what we do? Are we that bad? These kids deserve to have a childhood. What are we doing for them? Let's give them the chance. Let's not forget this, our silence is the biggest crime.
talking about stuff that is relevant today
The only thing we in the West can do to help Africa in a way that won't simply be a 'band aid on a severed limb' is to have fair trade instead of free trade, to stop playing ball with corrupt regimes and to personally go over there and do aid work. Throwing money at the situation doesn't help in the long run.
Why fair trade? I agree with you for the most part on everything else, but fair trade is kind of a pipe dream. Most consumers care more about how cheaply they can get their goods than how the goods are procured. Hell, people still buy diamonds, eh? I just don't see fair trade as ever working.Braddock wrote:
The only thing we in the West can do to help Africa in a way that won't simply be a 'band aid on a severed limb' is to have fair trade instead of free trade, to stop playing ball with corrupt regimes and to personally go over there and do aid work. Throwing money at the situation doesn't help in the long run.
I believe it's something we should aspire to though, I find it a tad hypocritical when Western countries send millions in aid to Africa while maintaining trade agreements that they know are fucking Africans in the ass.Turquoise wrote:
Why fair trade? I agree with you for the most part on everything else, but fair trade is kind of a pipe dream. Most consumers care more about how cheaply they can get their goods than how the goods are procured. Hell, people still buy diamonds, eh? I just don't see fair trade as ever working.Braddock wrote:
The only thing we in the West can do to help Africa in a way that won't simply be a 'band aid on a severed limb' is to have fair trade instead of free trade, to stop playing ball with corrupt regimes and to personally go over there and do aid work. Throwing money at the situation doesn't help in the long run.
Absolutely... it's why I think all aid to Africa should be private. Let the charities deal with this mess, because I'd rather not be forced into paying for it with taxes.Braddock wrote:
I believe it's something we should aspire to though, I find it a tad hypocritical when Western countries send millions in aid to Africa while maintaining trade agreements that they know are fucking Africans in the ass.Turquoise wrote:
Why fair trade? I agree with you for the most part on everything else, but fair trade is kind of a pipe dream. Most consumers care more about how cheaply they can get their goods than how the goods are procured. Hell, people still buy diamonds, eh? I just don't see fair trade as ever working.Braddock wrote:
The only thing we in the West can do to help Africa in a way that won't simply be a 'band aid on a severed limb' is to have fair trade instead of free trade, to stop playing ball with corrupt regimes and to personally go over there and do aid work. Throwing money at the situation doesn't help in the long run.
I'd rather help poor Africans with my tax money than rich Americans.Turquoise wrote:
Absolutely... it's why I think all aid to Africa should be private. Let the charities deal with this mess, because I'd rather not be forced into paying for it with taxes.Braddock wrote:
I believe it's something we should aspire to though, I find it a tad hypocritical when Western countries send millions in aid to Africa while maintaining trade agreements that they know are fucking Africans in the ass.Turquoise wrote:
Why fair trade? I agree with you for the most part on everything else, but fair trade is kind of a pipe dream. Most consumers care more about how cheaply they can get their goods than how the goods are procured. Hell, people still buy diamonds, eh? I just don't see fair trade as ever working.
I'd rather help neither through taxation, unless you're talking about healthcare and job training for Americans. As for the Africans... I'll help them through charity if I feel the interest in doing so.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I'd rather help poor Africans with my tax money than rich Americans.Turquoise wrote:
Absolutely... it's why I think all aid to Africa should be private. Let the charities deal with this mess, because I'd rather not be forced into paying for it with taxes.Braddock wrote:
I believe it's something we should aspire to though, I find it a tad hypocritical when Western countries send millions in aid to Africa while maintaining trade agreements that they know are fucking Africans in the ass.
I agree. +1KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I'd rather help poor Africans with my tax money than rich Americans.Turquoise wrote:
Absolutely... it's why I think all aid to Africa should be private. Let the charities deal with this mess, because I'd rather not be forced into paying for it with taxes.Braddock wrote:
I believe it's something we should aspire to though, I find it a tad hypocritical when Western countries send millions in aid to Africa while maintaining trade agreements that they know are fucking Africans in the ass.
Edit: so I don't get flamed- I'd rather help poor Africans with my tax money than rich people.
Last edited by .Sup (2008-07-13 14:46:33)
It sounds more like you would like to help poor Africans with my tax money. If you want to help, donate to the appropraite charity; that is why they exist. Our Government spends our tax money too stupidly already, but let us not turn this into another government taxation thread.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I'd rather help poor Africans with my tax money than rich Americans.Turquoise wrote:
Absolutely... it's why I think all aid to Africa should be private. Let the charities deal with this mess, because I'd rather not be forced into paying for it with taxes.Braddock wrote:
I believe it's something we should aspire to though, I find it a tad hypocritical when Western countries send millions in aid to Africa while maintaining trade agreements that they know are fucking Africans in the ass.
I can understand that argument, particularly when it's applied to countries like Israel. I would be livid if I knew a portion of my hard earned tax dollars were going to a regime I had little to no respect for.Turquoise wrote:
Absolutely... it's why I think all aid to Africa should be private. Let the charities deal with this mess, because I'd rather not be forced into paying for it with taxes.Braddock wrote:
I believe it's something we should aspire to though, I find it a tad hypocritical when Western countries send millions in aid to Africa while maintaining trade agreements that they know are fucking Africans in the ass.Turquoise wrote:
Why fair trade? I agree with you for the most part on everything else, but fair trade is kind of a pipe dream. Most consumers care more about how cheaply they can get their goods than how the goods are procured. Hell, people still buy diamonds, eh? I just don't see fair trade as ever working.