BF2S Forums Do You Support The Death Penalty?

No. It doesn't appear to deter people and if you find out you convicted the wrong person it's a bit hard to reverse the process.

Yes. More advatanges than disadvantages to it.

Here in the UK it's a mess. The jails are so packed they are releasing people early just so they can let more in. We have no death penalty or deterence system such as Florida's 3 strike system which is effective.

Also here Life in jail doesn't mean life. Some asian that killed another person got life which was 13 years min. Means they can be let out after 13 years on parole. Life doesn't mean life with no parole here. It's 30 years in jail get out in 15 for good behaviour. Check our jails as well. HD TV's are yet to be put in with the PS3. But at the moment there sitting on your luxury room with heating, a surround sound stereo with a big tv and comfy bed. That's the reality.

Also people actually commit crimes so they can be put in jail here, because jail is more like a hotel reservation (aside all the drop the soap crap). It costs £33,000 a year to keep one inmate in jail. All that cash could be saved if there was a deathpenalty to put them down rather than paying this over and over for the rest of there life.

No. Just like PureFodder said, if you sentence someone to death and after the execution you find out that you killed the wrong person there is a HUGE problem with no solution.

DooM wrote:

Yes. More advatanges than disadvantages to it.

Here in the UK it's a mess. The jails are so packed they are releasing people early just so they can let more in. We have no death penalty or deterence system such as Florida's 3 strike system which is effective.

Also here Life in jail doesn't mean life. Some asian that killed another person got life which was 13 years min. Means they can be let out after 13 years on parole. Life doesn't mean life with no parole here. It's 30 years in jail get out in 15 for good behaviour. Check our jails as well. HD TV's are yet to be put in with the PS3. But at the moment there sitting on your luxury room with heating, a surround sound stereo with a big tv and comfy bed. That's the reality.

Also people actually commit crimes so they can be put in jail here, because jail is more like a hotel reservation (aside all the drop the soap crap). It costs £33,000 a year to keep one inmate in jail. All that cash could be saved if there was a deathpenalty to put them down rather than paying this over and over for the rest of there life.

2 points in reaction to your above post...

1. Did you just imply that prison is not that bad ...except for the whole anal rape thing?

2. What about people who turn out later to be innocent? That is one of the main reasons I oppose it, the irreversible nature of it as a punishment.

I actually thinks prisons ARE too cosy for prisoners today but I couldn't possibly be as flippant about male rape.

Why would you waste, jail space, and money on foods/clothing to keep someone alive for his entire life, whilst you can also kill him.

CameronPoe wrote:

No, because of the possibility that someone innocent could be sent to the gallows and because life imprisonment with no chance of release is more of a punishment.

DNA, is rapidly making that first part of your argument moot.


As for your second argument,you are taking the outside looking in approach, you are not involved in the case. You think it is perfectly fine to let the killer of someone else's child sit in prison able to breathe, but I doubt you would feel the same for the killer of yours.

- death penalty costs more, then prison.
- there are too many innocents, getting toasted
- death penalty doesn´t deter the criminals from crime
- when someone ends up in prison, many other social systems failed before that. improve those!
- justice is not about revenge.

LT.Victim wrote:

No.

Because if I was in prison for life, I would rather get zapped then stay there. I think Life in Prison is worse then the Death Penalty..

That's my thinking too ...I'd rather take the get out early ticket.

lowing wrote:

[pt] KEIOS wrote:

- death penalty costs more, then prison.
- there are too many innocents, getting toasted
- death penalty doesn´t deter the criminals from crime
- when someone ends up in prison, many other social systems failed before that. improve those!
- justice is not about revenge.

-stats please
-stats please
-shouldn't be meant as a deterent it is supposed to be punishment.
-personal responsibility, not social welfare is the key.
-justice is exactly about revenge, restitution, or whatever else you wanna call it. People are meant to pay for their crimes. It shouldn't be about rehab, it should be punisment.

I agree with lowing on his last point.

lowing wrote:

[pt] KEIOS wrote:

- death penalty costs more, then prison.
- there are too many innocents, getting toasted
- death penalty doesn´t deter the criminals from crime
- when someone ends up in prison, many other social systems failed before that. improve those!
- justice is not about revenge.

-stats please
-stats please
-shouldn't be meant as a deterent it is supposed to be punishment.
-personal responsibility, not social welfare is the key.
-justice is exactly about revenge, restitution, or whatever else you wanna call it. People are meant to pay for their crimes. It shouldn't be about rehab, it should be punisment.

-death penalty costs more, then prison.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article … amp;scid=7

-When comparisons are made between states with the death penalty and states without, the majority of death penalty states show murder rates higher than non-death penalty states. The average of murder rates per 100,000 population in 1999 among death penalty states was 5.5, whereas the average of murder rates among non-death penalty states was only 3.6.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article … mp;did=167

-crime punishment are meant as a deterrent to prevent crime !

-personal responsibility must be learned - a process, that should come out of the social environment and the social system

-no, justice is not about revenge - justice originally is thought as help for lots of people to live together.
justice should be for the people, not against them !

Last edited by TodErnst (2007-07-30 04:54:12)

im sorry i have to quote this again

"An eye for an eye and we would all be blind."

No man should have the power over another mans life, prison is a better option as it keeps them alive full knowing what they have done. I have always beleived suicide is the easy way out, keeping the person alive makes sure that they live with all the consequences of their actions and maybe will make them regret their decision in time.

TodErnst wrote:

lowing wrote:

[pt] KEIOS wrote:

- death penalty costs more, then prison.
- there are too many innocents, getting toasted
- death penalty doesn´t deter the criminals from crime
- when someone ends up in prison, many other social systems failed before that. improve those!
- justice is not about revenge.

-stats please
-stats please
-shouldn't be meant as a deterent it is supposed to be punishment.
-personal responsibility, not social welfare is the key.
-justice is exactly about revenge, restitution, or whatever else you wanna call it. People are meant to pay for their crimes. It shouldn't be about rehab, it should be punisment.

-death penalty costs more, then prison.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article … amp;scid=7

-When comparisons are made between states with the death penalty and states without, the majority of death penalty states show murder rates higher than non-death penalty states. The average of murder rates per 100,000 population in 1999 among death penalty states was 5.5, whereas the average of murder rates among non-death penalty states was only 3.6.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article … mp;did=167

-crime punishment are meant as a deterrent to prevent crime !

-personal responsibility must be learned - a process, that should come out of the social environment and the social system

-no, justice is not about revenge - justice originally is thought as help for lots of people to live together.
justice should be for the people, not against them !

Good post: I asked and you provided.

Here is the thing, I think it is unreasonable to assume that people base their decision to kill a person on weather or not they will get the DP or not. Anyone crazy or irrational enough to commit such acts would not be coherent enough to reason that they better not cut this little girl into a million pieces because they might get executed. Or reason, sure, I might as well cut this girl into a million pieces because there is no DP in this state anyway. I doubt it works that way.

I know what justice is all about, I see lady justice with the blind fold on. Although I think a more proper statue would be lady justice with a blindfold on and her hand held out waiting to accept payment for justice.

You learn personal responsibility, or should, as a kid and young adult. If you read more of my posts you will see I do not endorse spoon feeding criminals and those that have no sense of responsibility.

Justice does not help us live together, that is moralities job. Justice is there when morality fails us. There for it is meant to pay someone for the wrong that has been done onto them. IE revenge, restitution.etc Whatever you wanna call it. I do not having a single PC bone in my body so will call it revenge.

Justice IS for the people, it should not be FOR the criminals.

I posted earlier that DNA is taking away all doubt as to who did what at a crime scene. IF murderers DNA was the clue to solving a crime, time to go to sleep, which is probably better than the option the criminal gave his victim(s)


+1 for a good argument

Last edited by lowing (2007-07-30 06:32:45)